Email Archive - Archive 2006 (7414 messages)

At Dallas I know the megaminx was a single solve event. I don't know if that's how it always is. From the viewpoint of the scramblers I certainly understand this one. -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@c...> wrote: > > Does this leave clock and square-1 as the only puzzles that are not > averages of 5? It seems silly to not standardize everything if those > are the only puzzles that will be mean of 3. Of course, I am ignoring > blindfold because I don't think that should be an "average of" event. > > ~ Bob > >

I have a 5x5x5 rubiks cube, and I cant find a good solution for it. Does anyone have a good 5x5x5 solution?

Hi Daniel, Yes, Megaminx and Square-1 are a pain for scramblers. Btw. for the Clock it is the same... Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Hayes To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:05 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Draft version WCA regulations 2006 At Dallas I know the megaminx was a single solve event. I don't know if that's how it always is. From the viewpoint of the scramblers I certainly understand this one. -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@c...> wrote: > > Does this leave clock and square-1 as the only puzzles that are not > averages of 5? It seems silly to not standardize everything if those > are the only puzzles that will be mean of 3. Of course, I am ignoring > blindfold because I don't think that should be an "average of" event. > > ~ Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mmhh... I think clock is a bit different. Yes, it does take longer to scramble than to solve. But, scrambling a clock is fairly easy and not that slow after you've done it a few times. And it's easier if you know how to solve the clock. Scrambling megaminx with the scramble algs gives even *me* a headache and takes me 3 minutes or so for the 60 moves. That's why for practice I prefer doing 100 "humanrandom" moves, taking me 40 seconds. Also, in case the clock scrambler made a mistake, there are many people who can just solve it in a short time for a new scrambling attempt. Megaminx takes *everybody* a long time and Square-1 takes *almost* everybody a long time. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@s...> wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > Yes, Megaminx and Square-1 are a pain for scramblers. Btw. for the Clock it is the same... > > Have fun, > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Daniel Hayes > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:05 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Draft version WCA regulations 2006 > > > At Dallas I know the megaminx was a single solve event. I don't know > if that's how it always is. From the viewpoint of the scramblers I > certainly understand this one. > > -Daniel > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@c...> > wrote: > > > > Does this leave clock and square-1 as the only puzzles that are not > > averages of 5? It seems silly to not standardize everything if those > > are the only puzzles that will be mean of 3. Of course, I am ignoring > > blindfold because I don't think that should be an "average of" event. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Happy new year everyone! I hope 2006 brings new puzzles and records to you! Happy New Year!!

Bradenton here. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > Anyone from South Florida? Hollywood area perhaps? > > Also, any South Florida Cube Competitions coming up soon? >

Well I managed to learn all of PLL (with finger tricks) by the end of the year. I only started learning Fridrich after WC05-- I was using corners-first then. Seeing all the CFOP-style solves in person convinced me that I have to switch! Goal for 2006: OLL mastery. Happy New Year, all! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Happy new year everyone! I hope 2006 brings new puzzles and records to > you! > > Happy New Year!! >

ha good job and good luck i noticed there was 7 seconds left until 2006. my goal/resolution was to quit this beginner method i use and finally learn the petrus method and eventually get sub 30.

My resolution is to get sub-20 and to participate to at least one competition. Happy New Year! Sven

My resolution is to attend every 2006 Rubik's competition. HA! Just kidding, I would be poor(er). I did just book my flight to San Fran though. :) ZBF2L mastery is my goal (all cases from all angles). :) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Happy new year everyone! I hope 2006 brings new puzzles and records to > you! > > Happy New Year!! >

Happy new year everyone! I want to be consistently sub-20, maybe do some sub-18 or sub-17 averages... Pedro Bob Burton <bob@...> escreveu: My resolution is to attend every 2006 Rubik's competition. HA! Just kidding, I would be poor(er). I did just book my flight to San Fran though. :) ZBF2L mastery is my goal (all cases from all angles). :) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Happy new year everyone! I hope 2006 brings new puzzles and records to > you! > > Happy New Year!! > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am back after x'mas holidays. I had a nice time. WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY CUBING YEAR-2006. My results of 2005. 3*3*3 avg:-Sub 20 sec was the set target. End result is 21.10 sec 4*4*4 avg:- sub 90 sec was the set target. End result is 92.xx sec 5*5*5 avg:- sub 210 sec was the set target. End result is 245 sec. Thanks to Mr.Ron and Mr.Stefan and for all the others for their contribution. New target for 2006 is sub 15 sec, sub 1 min and sub 2 min 30 sec. I would like to compete in all the open championship in 2006. I am longing to learn from you all. Thanks in advance J.BERNETT ORLANDO Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: Happy new year everyone! I want to be consistently sub-20, maybe do some sub-18 or sub-17 averages... Pedro Bob Burton <bob@...> escreveu: My resolution is to attend every 2006 Rubik's competition. HA! Just kidding, I would be poor(er). I did just book my flight to San Fran though. :) ZBF2L mastery is my goal (all cases from all angles). :) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Happy new year everyone! I hope 2006 brings new puzzles and records to > you! > > Happy New Year!! > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My goal for 2006 is to get a sub-120 average on the 4x4x4. Good luck to everyone else! Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@y...> wrote: > > I am back after x'mas holidays. I had a nice time. > > WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY CUBING YEAR-2006. > > My results of 2005. > 3*3*3 avg:-Sub 20 sec was the set target. End result is 21.10 sec > 4*4*4 avg:- sub 90 sec was the set target. End result is 92.xx sec > 5*5*5 avg:- sub 210 sec was the set target. End result is 245 sec. > Thanks to Mr.Ron and Mr.Stefan and for all the others for their contribution. > > New target for 2006 is sub 15 sec, sub 1 min and sub 2 min 30 sec. > I would like to compete in all the open championship in 2006. > I am longing to learn from you all. > Thanks in advance > J.BERNETT ORLANDO > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > Happy new year everyone! I want to be consistently sub-20, maybe do some sub-18 or sub-17 averages... > > Pedro > > Bob Burton <bob@c...> escreveu: > My resolution is to attend every 2006 Rubik's competition. HA! Just > kidding, I would be poor(er). I did just book my flight to San Fran > though. :) ZBF2L mastery is my goal (all cases from all angles). :) > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > > > Happy new year everyone! I hope 2006 brings new puzzles and records to > > you! > > > > Happy New Year!! > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the speedsolvingrubikscube group. File : /Ga�tan Guimond's Corner Method revised by Rikhard Dukes.txt Uploaded by : rikhard_d <rikhard_d@...> Description : Ga�tan Guimond's Corner Method revised by Rikhard Dukes You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/files/Ga%80%A0%A0%E9tan%20Guimond%27s%20Corner%20Method%20revised%20by%20Rikhard%20Dukes.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, rikhard_d <rikhard_d@...>

Hi, new here, but been speedcubing a year or so. I did the following guide originally while learning Guimond's method. It is basically a clarified edition, with some added algorithms and some left away. I haven't gone through all mostly optimized solutions from the french version of his guide yet. I hope this helps those who are having hard time learning this particular method. After I get sub-30 sec with this I propably start learning ZB-method. Very attractive due to its 40 move average count. http://www.zborowski.republika.pl/expert3x3x3method.html Attached is the guide itself in a text format. Anyone with cubing sites may publish, add to it and transform to whatever formats necessary. ie. with visuals etc if needed. Original guide is located at http://www.rubikscuberecord.com For those who don't know, Guimond's method is perhaps one of the easiest and fastest way to learn to solve rubik's cube, while getting pretty easy under 1 minutes. And only a handful of algorithms to remember too. Here's the link to the textfile http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oBi4Q8aYoeeG-8wzBPG0h0uuk_jf3QNEZk- fPFHRU6PaKfpfbwbEEd9WBP1qMTgiR_GHnuILyPwRODY4EGv9TuJu8ndjHNA/Ga%80%A0% A0%E9tan%20Guimond's%20Corner%20Method%20revised%20by%20Rikhard% 20Dukes.txt

Haha, i know its lame but i just pulled down my second sub-5 minute 5x5 (yay for a good start to a new year)! Guess practice is starting to pull off. Now i just need to get an average under 5 minutes... Happy new year everyone! ~John~

Attempt at speedsolving with an old webcam I found. 62 or 63 seconds.. I forgot. I was using a beginner method. It is an average time for me. I'm tryign to learn the Petrus method now. http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2Y9SI8EMQN0LV0U4O0FRE3RLU6 1.86 mb

Thats a good time for a beginners method. You should try and learn finger tricks so that you can turn the sides faster. I suggest you learn that too. Good luck learning petrus! Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > Attempt at speedsolving with an old webcam I found. 62 or 63 seconds.. > I forgot. I was using a beginner method. It is an average time for me. > I'm tryign to learn the Petrus method now. > > http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2Y9SI8EMQN0LV0U4O0FRE3RLU6 > > 1.86 mb >

Thanks. My best time is 57 seconds, so not much faster than that. Even with finger tricks and faster recognition, without more algorythms I am very close to the limits of this system. I am eager to learn Petrus and can get the 2x2x2 block in a horrid 30 seconds. Can anyone tell me what times are possible using the Petrus method? I know Mr. Petrus can get sub 20 but he has been at it for years. I hope to get sub 50 seconds within a month. Is that reasonable?

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > Thanks, I just went out and bought some softer springs so i'll see > > how those work out first, if not, i may buy some from you later on. > > Thanks for all the advice guys! > > Can you tell where you got them, how many you bought and how much you > paid? > > Cheers! > Stefan > I just went to a local hardware store (I think it's called town and country hardware, not sure though). I bought 8 springs total (at $.60) but the catch was they are waaay longer than i needed them to be, so I had to cut them down, I also bought 24 nylon washers yet I only ended up using 12. I was able to change out three megaminx springs to every spring that i bought. the whole process of cutting the springs and changing them took about 2 hours total, but it was worth it, my megaminx works sooo much better. Thanks guys! ~John~

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > Thanks. My best time is 57 seconds, so not much faster than that. Even > with finger tricks and faster recognition, without more algorythms I > am very close to the limits of this system. I am eager to learn Petrus > and can get the 2x2x2 block in a horrid 30 seconds. > > Can anyone tell me what times are possible using the Petrus method? I > know Mr. Petrus can get sub 20 but he has been at it for years. I hope > to get sub 50 seconds within a month. Is that reasonable? > I'm pretty sure it's possible, you and i are in exactly the same boat. I'm in the process of learning the petrus method too. Last night i was able to get a time of 1:02, and i've been using the petrus method for about one and a half weeks. So, in a week and a half, my times have dropped about 30-35 seconds, and granted, they won't drop that fast in the future, I would bet that sub-50 in a month is totally possible, but i guess we'll see! Good luck! ~John~

"Even with finger tricks and faster recognition, without more algorythms I bam very close to the limits of this system." I don't agree with that, with my old beginner method that takes about 100 moves, I got down in the mid 30s before I finally learned the Fridrich method.

I'll second that...Everyone knows that I used to use a bad beginner method, and kinda still do, but I am switching methods right now...I used to hit mid-to-low 30s...but that wasn't with 100% beginner...I learned a bit extra, like 10 more algs to drop about 20 seconds off my time...so...it was worth it... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, metgorubiks <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > "Even with finger tricks and faster recognition, without more > algorythms I bam very close to the limits of this system." > > I don't agree with that, with my old beginner method that takes about > 100 moves, I got down in the mid 30s before I finally learned the > Fridrich method. >

I must say that sub-1 minute average for 4*4*4 as quite ambitious, but that's how it should be. My prime goal is to get a sub-15 average for 3*3*3 and a sub-30 average for one-handed solving. I also hope to be among the finalists at the European championships. We are a couple of Swedes that are practicing 2*2*2 quite hard now and I will try to learn the 2-step solution where you first orient one sida and then fix the rest. I guess we will see a lot of amazing achievement during 2006. Here are some of my guesses: sub-13 average for 3*3*3 A LOT of sub-15 averages. sub-1 minute average for 4*4*4 /Gunnar -- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@y...> wrote: > > I am back after x'mas holidays. I had a nice time. > > WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY CUBING YEAR-2006. > > My results of 2005. > 3*3*3 avg:-Sub 20 sec was the set target. End result is 21.10 sec > 4*4*4 avg:- sub 90 sec was the set target. End result is 92.xx sec > 5*5*5 avg:- sub 210 sec was the set target. End result is 245 sec. > Thanks to Mr.Ron and Mr.Stefan and for all the others for their contribution. > > New target for 2006 is sub 15 sec, sub 1 min and sub 2 min 30 sec. > I would like to compete in all the open championship in 2006. > I am longing to learn from you all. > Thanks in advance > J.BERNETT ORLANDO > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > Happy new year everyone! I want to be consistently sub-20, maybe do some sub-18 or sub-17 averages... > > Pedro > > Bob Burton <bob@c...> escreveu: > My resolution is to attend every 2006 Rubik's competition. HA! Just > kidding, I would be poor(er). I did just book my flight to San Fran > though. :) ZBF2L mastery is my goal (all cases from all angles). :) > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > > > Happy new year everyone! I hope 2006 brings new puzzles and records to > > you! > > > > Happy New Year!! > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I disagree too...you use a working corner to do the F2L, don't you? I didn't understand your LL, but I think you can be fast with a 3-look LL: orient edges (or corners), orient corners (or edges), permute all...Joël van Noort told me that he averaged 17.xx with a 3 look LL... Pedro metgorubiks <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: "Even with finger tricks and faster recognition, without more algorythms I bam very close to the limits of this system." I don't agree with that, with my old beginner method that takes about 100 moves, I got down in the mid 30s before I finally learned the Fridrich method. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I just went to a local hardware store (I think it's called town and > country hardware, not sure though). I bought 8 springs total (at > $.60) but the catch was they are waaay longer than i needed them to > be, so I had to cut them down Is that 0.60 for each spring or for all of them together? And when you cut the springs, doesn't that leave very unflat (i.e. scratching) ends? Or did you find a way to get them nice flat again? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "rikhard_d" <rikhard_d@y...> wrote: > > After I get sub-30 sec with this I propably start learning > ZB-method. Very attractive due to its 40 move average count. > http://www.zborowski.republika.pl/expert3x3x3method.html Though... those 40 moves include 18.5 for F2L minus one corner/edge pair. Which is surprising, not only because he seems to get 18.5 as 6+3*6.5 which should be 25.5 instead. What am I missing? Cheers! Stefan

i recently got a 5x5x5 and 1 piece fell out of place a little and I a popped it back in. That piece is now loose and pops out occaisonally. Should i just live with it or is there a way to fix that? Thanks

Im not an expert at solving 5x5's, but ill try and help. Which piece is it? Is it broken? Compare it to my pictures: http://www.geocities.com/pjgat09/misc5b.html If its not broken, I can't help. Sorry. You could wait for Per to answer. :) Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@y...> wrote: > > i recently got a 5x5x5 and 1 piece fell out of place a little and I a > popped it back in. That piece is now loose and pops out occaisonally. > Should i just live with it or is there a way to fix that? > Thanks >

i havnt been speedcubing for too long but i get low 30 averages. ive been practicing the 4x4x4 solving but cant seem to do better than low 2 minutes solves. i think its b/c it takes me about a 1:15 to solve the centers and edges. i use 2 pair chain solving for the edges. are there any tips anyone can give me to help me speed that up? and the parity algs really slow me down. it takes me about 13 secs to do the edge flip parity and about 10 to do the edges swap one. so again if anyone has anything that may help let me know.

I'm taking about the same ammount of time as you are. What alg are you using for the edge swap? I think 10 sec is quite a bit for that alg. Heres the alg I (and others) are using: r2 U2 r2 U2u2 r2 u2 Hope that helps! Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "washyourmonkey" <washyourmonkey@y...> wrote: > > i havnt been speedcubing for too long but i get low 30 averages. ive > been practicing the 4x4x4 solving but cant seem to do better than low > 2 minutes solves. i think its b/c it takes me about a 1:15 to solve > the centers and edges. i use 2 pair chain solving for the edges. are > there any tips anyone can give me to help me speed that up? and the > parity algs really slow me down. it takes me about 13 secs to do the > edge flip parity and about 10 to do the edges swap one. so again if > anyone has anything that may help let me know. >

I just did 28.21 with one hand for 3*3*3. I'm quite exited right now!!! I can now perferm ~33 out of 57 OLL algs with one hand. F2L was absolutely not perfect on this solve but I did a very fast LL in below 10 seconds. /Gunnar

Soo.. I promised to make a video of this...: http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~jnoort/videos/hpermutation.wmv --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > I'm not too sure either...right now I do r2 R2, pretty slow, I've > tried different ways but they feel awkward... > > Craig > > Stefan, can you jump on yahoo for a few minutes??? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > > <joel_vn@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Stefan! > > > > > > Did you also try the M2 trick for the H permutation? > > > > Yes of course. But there I haven't decided yet whether I like Bob's or > > your way better. What annoys me about this alg is that I'm not able to > > do the U2 nicely, usually I do that in one motion with my right index > > finger, but that doesn't fit in here for me. And I need my right > > middle finger for holding the cube, so I can't do index+middle. > > Instead, I do U twice with index finger. > > > > The four-edge-flip alg is now one of my favourite algs. It feels very > > nice, and the best thing is that both at start and end, I have the > > standard grip. And I both start and end with r'. So I can do it > > endlessly without stop, and I did that (repeating the alg for maybe 15 > > minutes) last night. I also did it while reading some new posts, and > > sometimes when I looked back at the cube I thought "oh damn you made a > > mistake" but then a moment later my hands had restored it again. Well, > > of course I only saw it *pass* the solved state, cause my hands don't > > know when to break (since there's no stop between two executions). It > > feels so natural... it's like I'm just holding the cube and wiggle L > > and R a bit back and forth, just throwing in some index finger pulling > > at times. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@s...> wrote: > > I just did 28.21 with one hand for 3*3*3. I'm quite exited right > now!!! I can now perferm ~33 out of 57 OLL algs with one hand. F2L was > absolutely not perfect on this solve but I did a very fast LL in below > 10 seconds. > > /Gunnar > I think I meant excited! :-P

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > I just went to a local hardware store (I think it's called town and > > country hardware, not sure though). I bought 8 springs total (at > > $.60) but the catch was they are waaay longer than i needed them to > > be, so I had to cut them down > > Is that 0.60 for each spring or for all of them together? And when you > cut the springs, doesn't that leave very unflat (i.e. scratching) > ends? Or did you find a way to get them nice flat again? > > Cheers! > Stefan > It was 0.60 per spring so it wasn't the best deal ever (i was desperate though! haha) and when i cut the springs i was able to bend the pointy end so it wouldn't scratch the washers away. It certainly isn't as clean as if i had gotten springs that we're actually cut to the correct length by the manufacturer. Did you order your springs online or through the mail or did you buy them at a store? ~John~

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > It was 0.60 per spring so it wasn't the best deal ever (i was > desperate though! haha) and when i cut the springs i was able to bend > the pointy end so it wouldn't scratch the washers away. It certainly > isn't as clean as if i had gotten springs that we're actually cut to > the correct length by the manufacturer. Did you order your springs > online or through the mail or did you buy them at a store? Ah, ok... 0.60 for 8 springs would've been a super deal. I ordered mine through the manufacturer's website. No chance to get good springs for a good price in a store, at least that's my experience. Cheers! Stefan

for the edge swap i use U2u2 R2r2 U2 r2 U2 R2r2 U2u2 i think that right pjgat09 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I'm taking about the same ammount of time as you are. What alg are you using for the edge swap? I think 10 sec is quite a bit for that alg. Heres the alg I (and others) are using: r2 U2 r2 U2u2 r2 u2 Hope that helps! Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "washyourmonkey" <washyourmonkey@y...> wrote: > > i havnt been speedcubing for too long but i get low 30 averages. ive > been practicing the 4x4x4 solving but cant seem to do better than low > 2 minutes solves. i think its b/c it takes me about a 1:15 to solve > the centers and edges. i use 2 pair chain solving for the edges. are > there any tips anyone can give me to help me speed that up? and the > parity algs really slow me down. it takes me about 13 secs to do the > edge flip parity and about 10 to do the edges swap one. so again if > anyone has anything that may help let me know. > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Stefan! Time ago I ordered some nice 2milimeter washers from Skiffy website, a web you recommended. I recommend this washers too. But, where do you buy the springs? which is the website? and the spring characteristics/requirements? It is hard to find in stores here in Spain... Alberto. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:05 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Super stiff Megaminx --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > It was 0.60 per spring so it wasn't the best deal ever (i was > desperate though! haha) and when i cut the springs i was able to bend > the pointy end so it wouldn't scratch the washers away. It certainly > isn't as clean as if i had gotten springs that we're actually cut to > the correct length by the manufacturer. Did you order your springs > online or through the mail or did you buy them at a store? Ah, ok... 0.60 for 8 springs would've been a super deal. I ordered mine through the manufacturer's website. No chance to get good springs for a good price in a store, at least that's my experience. Cheers! Stefan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

would it be bad for my magic if i got it completely submerger in water?

Ummm...theoretically??? no...but if you don't want the paper inserts to be ruined then don't do it...since the tiles are so tight together then it may not matter... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" <tehguardians@y...> wrote: > > would it be bad for my magic if i got it completely submerger in water? >

I think Jon Morris' site has some CubeTwister files. go to www.nascarjon.us but I think that having ALL the algs is kinda imposible...hehe Pedro shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@...> escreveu: My question to u guys ( doesnt have to do alot with the above) is there a program with all the alogthmits for any method instead of going on the internet ? does any body know of CubeTwister1.0.3.1Win is there one like that with the steps in it ? SHAMSUL Khawaja --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, thats correct. Its about as fast as my alg, which is about 3.5-4 seconds. Is that 10 seconds you mentioned correct? Perhaps you should practice it more? Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, eric hatch <washyourmonkey@y...> wrote: > > for the edge swap i use U2u2 R2r2 U2 r2 U2 R2r2 U2u2 i think that right > > > pjgat09 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I'm taking about the same ammount of time as you are. What alg are you > using for the edge swap? I think 10 sec is quite a bit for that alg. > Heres the alg I (and others) are using: r2 U2 r2 U2u2 r2 u2 > > Hope that helps! > > Peter Greenwood > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "washyourmonkey" > <washyourmonkey@y...> wrote: > > > > i havnt been speedcubing for too long but i get low 30 averages. ive > > been practicing the 4x4x4 solving but cant seem to do better than low > > 2 minutes solves. i think its b/c it takes me about a 1:15 to solve > > the centers and edges. i use 2 pair chain solving for the edges. are > > there any tips anyone can give me to help me speed that up? and the > > parity algs really slow me down. it takes me about 13 secs to do the > > edge flip parity and about 10 to do the edges swap one. so again if > > anyone has anything that may help let me know. > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Water will be absorbed into the magic no matter how tight it is. This happened to me once. Luckily the inserts were custom and i just replaced them. :) To answer your question, no, its not a good idea to submerge it if you value the inserts. Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Ummm...theoretically??? no...but if you don't want the paper inserts > to be ruined then don't do it...since the tiles are so tight together > then it may not matter... > > Craig > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" > <tehguardians@y...> wrote: > > > > would it be bad for my magic if i got it completely submerger in water? > > >

Yes, the file has Fridrich algs (at least Jon's one) There's also DanH algs, the VH system, Macky's algs and Peter Jansen's ones too. Go to downloads then cube twister files on www.nascarjon.us Happy new year everyone, and may the cube be with you! Pedro shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@yahoo.ca> escreveu: Well not all lol i was wondering if they had like fridrich on some jave program ( mainly cauze i dont have internet on the computer upstaries in my room and would like a program up there :P) Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: I think Jon Morris' site has some CubeTwister files. go to www.nascarjon.us but I think that having ALL the algs is kinda imposible...hehe Pedro shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@...> escreveu: My question to u guys ( doesnt have to do alot with the above) is there a program with all the alogthmits for any method instead of going on the internet ? does any body know of CubeTwister1.0.3.1Win is there one like that with the steps in it ? SHAMSUL Khawaja --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- SHAMSUL Khawaja --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@...m Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I know many people tend to throw away their rubik's 2x2x2's when they pop. DON'T!! Use my new guide: www.geocities.com/pjgat09/misc2a_2.html (it can also be found under Miscellaneous to the left on my main page). I will have a few more guides uploaded soon. I'll post here again when those are finished. Peter Greenwood

The 18.5 moves is from Ryan Heises F2l strategy I think. I've been messing around with his F2l method, and I'd say a more reasonable goal for speedcubing would be 20-23 moves, which is still much less, but much slower recognition than f2l pairs. -James Stuber _____ From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Pochmann Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:52 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guimond's method revised --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "rikhard_d" <rikhard_d@y...> wrote: > > After I get sub-30 sec with this I propably start learning > ZB-method. Very attractive due to its 40 move average count. > http://www.zborowski.republika.pl/expert3x3x3method.html Though... those 40 moves include 18.5 for F2L minus one corner/edge pair. Which is surprising, not only because he seems to get 18.5 as 6+3*6.5 which should be 25.5 instead. What am I missing? Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+g ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw > puzzle game Free <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6 ReWEw> puzzle inlay games Educational <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle Word <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+gam e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> puzzle game Kid <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> puzzle game Puzzle <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5 =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> games _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Alberto, hmm... 2 millimeter washers? That sounds strange... but I know which you mean. I got my springs at http://www.federnshop.com/ Choose "English" on the left. Then "compression springs". It's article number "D-077". Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arcdraven" <arcdraven@y...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan! > Time ago I ordered some nice 2milimeter washers from Skiffy website, a web you recommended. I recommend this washers too. > But, where do you buy the springs? which is the website? and the spring characteristics/requirements? > It is hard to find in stores here in Spain... > Alberto.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I know many people tend to throw away their rubik's 2x2x2's when they > pop. Really? Wow, that's both stupid and heartless, cubes want to be loved, too! Cheers! Stefan

Congrats man! I wish my times with both the hands approach ur one-handed times :) keep getting faster. Sachin. On 1/2/06, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@student.liu.se> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" > <gunkr520@s...> wrote: > > > > I just did 28.21 with one hand for 3*3*3. I'm quite exited right > > now!!! I can now perferm ~33 out of 57 OLL algs with one hand. F2L > was > > absolutely not perfect on this solve but I did a very fast LL in > below > > 10 seconds. > > > > /Gunnar > > > > I think I meant excited! :-P > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hey shamsul, its good that ur quite interested in the cube and are willing to learn, b ut first just try to do a simple google search and u'll get what u need most of the time. And as for ur question, what do u mean by "2 LL's" ? There is only one last layer. Maybe ur confusing something. As for the algos, goto cubestation.co.uk and u'll find all the algos u need. Keep cubing! Sachin. PS: On just another note, by any chance are u an indian? Coz ur name suggests that ur from india. On 1/2/06, shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@...> wrote: > okay i was wondering if some one could give me the algs for the 2 LLs , the edge arrows point the other way on the second one and i was wondering what the alg would be > there are many like these and so if i inderstand this one i can change the other ones and find them out aswell > > ( i did start looking at the LL algs yet since i am working on the F2l fridrich method most of the time :p) > thank you very much, > > > > SHAMSUL > > Khawaja > > > > --------------------------------- > Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Same with feetsolving --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > Well, in defense of blindfold, you don't think it should be an "average > of" event because right now the standards are very low. People aren't > expected to complete every solve in blindfold with 100% accuracy, but I > do believe that it will be possible in the near future. Leyan is > pulling off 12 solves in a row with a 2:14 average, I'm sure the rest > of us can do 5. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Dec 31, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Bob Burton wrote: > > > Does this leave clock and square-1 as the only puzzles that are not > > averages of 5? It seems silly to not standardize everything if those > > are the only puzzles that will be mean of 3. Of course, I am ignoring > > blindfold because I don't think that should be an "average of" event. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ron@s...> wrote: > >> > >> Fellow cubers, > >> > >> Hereby I announce a draft version of the WCA regulations 2006. > >> We took into account all the remarks that were made by the > >> community, and two major changes: > >> 1) no pops allowed in average rounds > >> 2) 3x3x3 one-handed, 4x4x4, 5x5x5 are now average of 5 in finals > >> > >> Please review the draft version at: > >> http://www.speedcubing.com/events/regulations2006.html > >> The change history can be found at: > >> http://www.speedcubing.com/events/regulations_history2006.html > >> > >> For feedback please use the regulations section of the WCA forum at > >> http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/forum > >> > >> Our goal is to finalise the regulations at January 9, 2006, so that > >> we can use them for the first competition of 2006 in San Francisco. > >> > >> Thank you very much for your feedback. > >> > >> Ron van Bruchem > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Very nice trick, and nice U2 finger trick too ! :D (btw, thx for your F-Perm, I averaged 3.09 yesterday :p) Gilles. 2006/1/2, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...>: > Soo.. I promised to make a video of this...: > > http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~jnoort/videos/hpermutation.wmv > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > I'm not too sure either...right now I do r2 R2, pretty slow, I've > > tried different ways but they feel awkward... > > > > Craig > > > > Stefan, can you jump on yahoo for a few minutes??? > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > > > <joel_vn@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Stefan! > > > > > > > > Did you also try the M2 trick for the H permutation? > > > > > > Yes of course. But there I haven't decided yet whether I like > Bob's or > > > your way better. What annoys me about this alg is that I'm not > able to > > > do the U2 nicely, usually I do that in one motion with my right > index > > > finger, but that doesn't fit in here for me. And I need my right > > > middle finger for holding the cube, so I can't do index+middle. > > > Instead, I do U twice with index finger. > > > > > > The four-edge-flip alg is now one of my favourite algs. It feels > very > > > nice, and the best thing is that both at start and end, I have > the > > > standard grip. And I both start and end with r'. So I can do it > > > endlessly without stop, and I did that (repeating the alg for > maybe 15 > > > minutes) last night. I also did it while reading some new posts, > and > > > sometimes when I looked back at the cube I thought "oh damn you > made a > > > mistake" but then a moment later my hands had restored it again. > Well, > > > of course I only saw it *pass* the solved state, cause my hands > don't > > > know when to break (since there's no stop between two > executions). It > > > feels so natural... it's like I'm just holding the cube and > wiggle L > > > and R a bit back and forth, just throwing in some index finger > pulling > > > at times. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Doest that also work for an Eastsheen 2x2 ? Nice page :-) Gilles. 2006/1/2, pjgat09 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > I know many people tend to throw away their rubik's 2x2x2's when they > pop. DON'T!! Use my new guide: www.geocities.com/pjgat09/misc2a_2.html > (it can also be found under Miscellaneous to the left on my main page). > > > I will have a few more guides uploaded soon. I'll post here again when > those are finished. > > Peter Greenwood > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

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I finally got my very first megaminx a couple days ago, a Meffert's 12-color tiled megaminx that I ordered online. The problem is if you turn one of the sides counter clockwise about 6 or 7 complete rotations, it gets looser and looser and just pops off. This does not happen with the other 11 sides. I am new to megaminxs' and I just want to know is this normal, or did I buy a broken puzzle?

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > Thanks. My best time is 57 seconds, so not much faster than that. Even > with finger tricks and faster recognition, without more algorythms I > am very close to the limits of this system. I am eager to learn Petrus > and can get the 2x2x2 block in a horrid 30 seconds. > > Can anyone tell me what times are possible using the Petrus method? I > know Mr. Petrus can get sub 20 but he has been at it for years. I hope > to get sub 50 seconds within a month. Is that reasonable? > My best time with the Petrus method is 11.91 seconds and my best average of 10 is 19.46. I have practiced it for (only) 7 months. I know it's possible to average sub 15 with this method, and that's in fact my goal before 2007. That will, of course, require very much intuition and practice, but I know it's possible. So, the Petrus method is a really fast speedcubing method, and I believe it's at least as good as Fridrich. It's a pity that so few people use it. I'm sure you'll be able to do sub 50 within a month, it's not hard at all. I don't remember exactly how fast I improved, but I remember that it took me 1-2 months to average 45 seconds. - Johannes

The eastsheen ones are easyer, they're like 3x3x3's with the centres and edges hidden inside. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > Doest that also work for an Eastsheen 2x2 ? > > Nice page :-) > > Gilles. > > 2006/1/2, pjgat09 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > I know many people tend to throw away their rubik's 2x2x2's when they > > pop. DON'T!! Use my new guide: www.geocities.com/pjgat09/misc2a_2.html > > (it can also be found under Miscellaneous to the left on my main page). > > > > > > I will have a few more guides uploaded soon. I'll post here again when > > those are finished. > > > > Peter Greenwood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "w_joe_allen" <wallen@j...> wrote: > > I finally got my very first megaminx a couple days ago, a Meffert's > 12-color tiled megaminx that I ordered online. The problem is if you > turn one of the sides counter clockwise about 6 or 7 complete > rotations, it gets looser and looser and just pops off. > > This does not happen with the other 11 sides. I am new to megaminxs' > and I just want to know is this normal, or did I buy a broken puzzle? That's semi-normal. The springs are too long and strong. Usually this only makes the puzzle extremely stiff, but in some cases the pressure together with the non-ground spring ends and rotations combine and screw out the screw. See other Megaminx thread from the last 2-3 days. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Hi Alberto, > > hmm... 2 millimeter washers? That sounds strange... but I know which > you mean. Actually... no I don't. Do you mean 2mm thick? Metal or nylon? I thought about getting 2mm thick nylon washers for Megaminx because currently I use about 6 washers each 0.8mm thick. But that's ok, too, and they're cheap. Cheers! Stefan

Finally a challenger from Finland! > My best time with the Petrus method is 11.91 seconds and my best > average of 10 is 19.46. I have practiced it for (only) 7 months. I > know it's possible to average sub 15 with this method, and that's in > fact my goal before 2007. That will, of course, require very much > intuition and practice, but I know it's possible. So, the Petrus > method is a really fast speedcubing method, and I believe it's at > least as good as Fridrich. It's a pity that so few people use it. > > I'm sure you'll be able to do sub 50 within a month, it's not hard at > all. I don't remember exactly how fast I improved, but I remember that > it took me 1-2 months to average 45 seconds. > > > - > Johannes >

the exact washers are this: http://www.skiffy.com/docs/menufr.cfm?taal=gb&ID=wdss223622&pagina=prodinfo.cfm&artnum=041030240952 http://www.skiffy.com/docs/prodinfo.cfm?taal=gb&ID=xyxz177768A8&serie=003-m&artnum=041030240952&maatkeus=mm I can see they are not as small as I stated. The page says : outside diameter 6, inside diameter 3.2, thick 0.8. Really, between 2 and 3 mm of metal, oustide minus inside diameter. I have always 'thought' they were (it is better to say 'called') 2mm or so because when I bought '3mm wahers' in a store, they selled me bigger washers than the ones I bought by web. So, it is probably (and surely) a defect on me. Be sure the washers are the linked here above. Alberto. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Super stiff Megaminx --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Hi Alberto, > > hmm... 2 millimeter washers? That sounds strange... but I know which > you mean. Actually... no I don't. Do you mean 2mm thick? Metal or nylon? I thought about getting 2mm thick nylon washers for Megaminx because currently I use about 6 washers each 0.8mm thick. But that's ok, too, and they're cheap. Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@y...> wrote: > > Soo.. I promised to make a video of this...: > > http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~jnoort/videos/hpermutation.wmv That's awesome fast... looks like 1.10 seconds. I tried it with index finger doing the whole U2 in one go, too, and I'm puzzled. Sometimes it works wonderfully, sometimes I just can't do it. Must have to do with where exactly I place my other fingers. I also pull the M-slice with my ring finger instead of middle finger, I prefer to have middle (and index) finger to hold the cube stable. Anway, I just got 1.33 on video and I'm very happy with it. Also, and more importantly, both Bob's and your way are way *safer* for me. I used to screw up r2 R2' a lot... Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Alberto Cuesta" <arcdraven@y...> wrote: > > http://www.skiffy.com/docs/menufr.cfm? taal=gb&ID=wdss223622&pagina=prodinfo.cfm&artnum=041030240952 Ah yes, those are the ones I have, too. > I have always 'thought' they were (it is better to say 'called') 2mm or so because when I bought '3mm wahers' in a store, they selled me bigger washers than the ones I bought by web. Sure it wasn't "M3"? But yes, could be "3mm" as well. Usually when they use just one size they mean the inside diameter, since the most important thing is that the screw or whatever goes through it nicely. And you'll find things like "M3" for screws, too. Not sure what exactly that is, but I don't think the "M" stands for millimeters. Cheers! Stefan

Since this weeks participation was so low for the First Sunday Contest of 2006, I'm going to extend the deadline until Midnight tonight eastern time. Jon http://www.nascarjon.us

well i timed it and its actually more like 5 to 7 seconds so not as bad but still pretty bad. i just wish i could get the centers and edges solved in less than a minute. pjgat09 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Yes, thats correct. Its about as fast as my alg, which is about 3.5-4 seconds. Is that 10 seconds you mentioned correct? Perhaps you should practice it more? Peter Greenwood SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Since I don't own an eastsheen 2x2 (if you have ever felt my rubik's 2x2 you would know why), I couldn't tell you. Thanks for the kind words. I'm going to work on the other new guide now. :) Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > The eastsheen ones are easyer, they're like 3x3x3's with the centres > and edges hidden inside. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > > > Doest that also work for an Eastsheen 2x2 ? > > > > Nice page :-) > > > > Gilles. > > > > 2006/1/2, pjgat09 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > > I know many people tend to throw away their rubik's 2x2x2's when they > > > pop. DON'T!! Use my new guide: www.geocities.com/pjgat09/misc2a_2.html > > > (it can also be found under Miscellaneous to the left on my main > page). > > > > > > > > > I will have a few more guides uploaded soon. I'll post here again when > > > those are finished. > > > > > > Peter Greenwood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Theres many sites to help you do that: Stefan's: http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/spocc/speedsolving/4x4_centers/ Chris Hardwick's: http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4speedsolve1.html Bigcubes: http://www.bigcubes.com/4x4x4/centers.html Good luck! Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, eric hatch <washyourmonkey@y...> wrote: > > well i timed it and its actually more like 5 to 7 seconds so not as bad but still pretty bad. i just wish i could get the centers and edges solved in less than a minute. > > pjgat09 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Yes, thats correct. Its about as fast as my alg, which is about 3.5-4 > seconds. Is that 10 seconds you mentioned correct? Perhaps you should > practice it more? > > Peter Greenwood > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

M in e.g. M3 = Metric. The 3 (when talking about screws) stands for 3 mm thread diameter. You may find a lot of other cryptic abbreviations when searching for standard fasteners. But I will not bore you with such stuff in this group :) Note that it doesn't say anything about what type of e.g. screw we're talking about (socket head, hexagon head etc.) // Dennis -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] För Stefan Pochmann Skickat: den 2 januari 2006 16:20 Till: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Ämne: [Speed cubing group] Re: Super stiff Megaminx --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Alberto Cuesta" <arcdraven@y...> wrote: > > http://www.skiffy.com/docs/menufr.cfm? taal=gb&ID=wdss223622&pagina=prodinfo.cfm&artnum=041030240952 Ah yes, those are the ones I have, too. > I have always 'thought' they were (it is better to say 'called') 2mm or so because when I bought '3mm wahers' in a store, they selled me bigger washers than the ones I bought by web. Sure it wasn't "M3"? But yes, could be "3mm" as well. Usually when they use just one size they mean the inside diameter, since the most important thing is that the screw or whatever goes through it nicely. And you'll find things like "M3" for screws, too. Not sure what exactly that is, but I don't think the "M" stands for millimeters. Cheers! Stefan Yahoo! Groups Links

I know this comparison of different LL strategies: http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/ But it's for HTM. When searching for new algs, I prefer to optimize for QTM. Does similar data as the above exist for QTM, too? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nascarjon2001 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I'm going to extend the deadline until Midnight tonight > eastern time. > > Jon > http://www.nascarjon.us Woohoo! Except I don't get off work until 12 or 12:30 eastern time... Would you perhaps accept a slightly later than that entry? -Mike

wow sub 15 would be a dream for me. I am still having alot of trouble with this method. with my old method i got a new record of 51 seconds with no steps skipped and a new average of 60.36... I can't wait to get sub 60 with the petrus method but it seems unattainable.

> Would you perhaps accept a slightly later than that entry? > > -Mike > Not a problem. I probably won't start making the webpage until tomorrow morning anyway. Jon http://www.nascarjon.us

Hi Stefan :-) You as a cuber and programmer can generate all the data/statistics for qtm based on what is presented on that page. Nothing stops you ! ;-) All sequences are given ... Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > I know this comparison of different LL strategies: > http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/ > > But it's for HTM. When searching for new algs, I prefer to optimize > for QTM. Does similar data as the above exist for QTM, too? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

I live in scarborough if that is any help to you? ----- Original Message ----- From: shamsul khawaja To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:24 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Do any of u live in Toronto :P hey i was wondering if any of u live in toronto...Canada Hey i got the pic thing working .. :D there is no other person i know the speed cubes but u guys :( If you do let me know SHAMSUL Khawaja --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I use Firefox and for whatever reason the cubes on lar5.com don't show up. However I also find it frustrating to try and figure an algorithm out by following a java cube rather than standard notation (e.g. F, R', U' etc.). Is there a place where the Petrus method is documented using standard notation or is it something I have to learn from the animated cubes? I read that the method is something I can work up to as a beginner (again, using the Jasmine Lee solution set right now with Sune and Anti-Sune for my corner permutation) to get my cubing faster, perhaps a bit easier to learn than Fridrich (ack, 100's of possible algorithms). p.s. Just downloaded cube twister last night. Very impressive! I tried Dan Harris' solution set as put together by nascarjon and it worked quite nicely. Lots to remember there for the last layer solutions.

I agree with you. I'm also trying to learn it but it is hard with only the 3D cubes and no algorythms.

It's not the most convenient thing, but you CAN get the algorithms in notation by looking at the HTML source. You'll see something like this, and I'm sure you can figure out how to read the "B1U1B3U1B1UZB3" part. <applet code="com.lar5.Caesar.class" ARCHIVE="Caesar.jar" width=140 height=160> <param name=pos value="ggchhhhhhhhhhhhggegcgcccgcgghhghhghhhhhhhhhhhcgchhhhhh"> <param name=move value="B1U1B3U1B1UZB3"> <param name=misc value="closepeek, arrows"> </applet> - - - - - - - - - - - - "Free cheese only comes in mousetraps" Lars Petrus, lars@... http://lar5.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > wow sub 15 would be a dream for me. I am still having alot of trouble > with this method. > > with my old method i got a new record of 51 seconds with no steps > skipped and a new average of 60.36... I can't wait to get sub 60 with > the petrus method but it seems unattainable. > I know how you feel, Im learning an advanced method myself. Having trouble. By the way, you inspired me to make my own movie. Check out the message board, you'll find it there. Oh by the way, maybe we can help eachother learn the advanced method. You know, message back and forth when we get confused. Good job on your new record and average. bye

Hey, everyone. Well a few days ago i was watching the movie in the message titled "My First Move". Liking what I saw, I was inspired to make my own movie. I thought it was neat to see someone around my age, 14 (I think he was anyway) solve the cube. I would like to say good job and thank you to thebunze. I believe did the cube fairly quick for a beginner method, although I was unsuccessful in beating thebunze's time of 1:03. My current record is 59 secs. So enjoy, and please leave some feedback, good or bad. Thank you. http://www.uploadtemple.com/view.php/1136264063.wmv

Hey Everyone, Beauty and the Geek 2 is premiering on Thursday, January 12 at 9/8c so that means 9 PM if you're on EST, 8 PM if you're on CST, and also 9 PM if you're on PST. Check out the website here: http://ktla.trb.com/entertainment/wbnetwork/stv-beautygeek- pkg,0,5242283.special?coll=ktla-home-nav&fif Also, on Wednesday, January 11, also at 9/8c on the WB, there's a 1-hour casting special... so watch all the other losers I beat out. And this week, at 9 PM, they'll be showing reruns of the first season. That's it from me! Tyson "I wish I had ESPN" Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

Thanks for the reminder Tyson. -Chris On 1/2/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > Beauty and the Geek 2 is premiering on Thursday, January 12 at 9/8c so > that means 9 PM if you're on EST, 8 PM if you're on CST, and also 9 PM > if you're on PST. Check out the website here: > > http://ktla.trb.com/entertainment/wbnetwork/stv-beautygeek- > pkg,0,5242283.special?coll=ktla-home-nav&fif > > Also, on Wednesday, January 11, also at 9/8c on the WB, there's a > 1-hour casting special... so watch all the other losers I beat out. > > And this week, at 9 PM, they'll be showing reruns of the first season. > That's it from me! > > Tyson "I wish I had ESPN" Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey, do you guys remember your most stressful solve? In the coming weeks, you'll get a chance to compare it to my most stressful solve :-P. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

Mine might have been that one time when I solved on Dallas News or something like that...I was racing some dude. Oh wait, that was you. :P -Chris (I don't get to be on TV as much as you...so it's a big deal for me..lol) On 1/2/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hey, do you guys remember your most stressful solve? In the coming > weeks, you'll get a chance to compare it to my most stressful solve > :-P. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You beat me by about .1 or .2 seconds on that one too! 5 AM solves are certainly pretty crazy. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 2, 2006, at 10:29 PM, Chris Hunt wrote: > Mine might have been that one time when I solved on Dallas News or > something > like that...I was racing some dude. Oh wait, that was you. :P > > -Chris > > (I don't get to be on TV as much as you...so it's a big deal for > me..lol) > > On 1/2/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: >> >> Hey, do you guys remember your most stressful solve? In the coming >> weeks, you'll get a chance to compare it to my most stressful solve >> :-P. >> >> Tyson Mao >> MSC #631 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

My Petrus solves still take around 95 moves and I'm still around 45s, mot much training though. More like cubing twice a week. On 1/1/06, metgorubiks <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > "Even with finger tricks and faster recognition, without more > algorythms I bam very close to the limits of this system." > > I don't agree with that, with my old beginner method that takes about > 100 moves, I got down in the mid 30s before I finally learned the > Fridrich method. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey nice video. Was that a layer method starting with blue? I'd enjoy helping eachother out. Last night on our way to the Hard rock Casino I did a time of 45 seconds doing the LL in 1 look skipping the other 3. (lucky) and my new best is 51 seconds without skipping anything. However with the Petrus method my times = bad If you have AIM then IM me @ "FM8" or add me on Yahoo. Im 16 btw but started when i was 13 and quit for 2-3 years.

Let us know if you find a place to download them from :) - Koen --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > Beauty and the Geek 2 is premiering on Thursday, January 12 at 9/8c so > that means 9 PM if you're on EST, 8 PM if you're on CST, and also 9 PM > if you're on PST. Check out the website here: > > http://ktla.trb.com/entertainment/wbnetwork/stv-beautygeek- > pkg,0,5242283.special?coll=ktla-home-nav&fif > > Also, on Wednesday, January 11, also at 9/8c on the WB, there's a > 1-hour casting special... so watch all the other losers I beat out. > > And this week, at 9 PM, they'll be showing reruns of the first season. > That's it from me! > > Tyson "I wish I had ESPN" Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology >

thank you, and yes. but i always start with silver for some reason. i still cant crack my time of :59, but im working on it. good job on your new time, and yes ill add u to my AIM. thanks for the reply, and i hope to talk to u soon. later thebunze <thebunze@...> wrote: Hey nice video. Was that a layer method starting with blue? I'd enjoy helping eachother out. Last night on our way to the Hard rock Casino I did a time of 45 seconds doing the LL in 1 look skipping the other 3. (lucky) and my new best is 51 seconds without skipping anything. However with the Petrus method my times = bad If you have AIM then IM me @ "FM8" or add me on Yahoo. Im 16 btw but started when i was 13 and quit for 2-3 years. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I can't see the video... it opens windows media player, and shows: "We are no longer allowing direct links to the files. You can however display the thumbnail with a link to the original file. This had to be done because certain people were abusing the system. Thank you." Pedro master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@...> escreveu: Hey, everyone. Well a few days ago i was watching the movie in the message titled "My First Move". Liking what I saw, I was inspired to make my own movie. I thought it was neat to see someone around my age, 14 (I think he was anyway) solve the cube. I would like to say good job and thank you to thebunze. I believe did the cube fairly quick for a beginner method, although I was unsuccessful in beating thebunze's time of 1:03. My current record is 59 secs. So enjoy, and please leave some feedback, good or bad. Thank you. http://www.uploadtemple.com/view.php/1136264063.wmv --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

oh that's too bad :( but if u want, ill show u on cam how i solve it, if u add me to ur yahoo friends list on messenger Pedro <pedrosino1@....br> wrote: I can't see the video... it opens windows media player, and shows: "We are no longer allowing direct links to the files. You can however display the thumbnail with a link to the original file. This had to be done because certain people were abusing the system. Thank you." Pedro master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@...> escreveu: Hey, everyone. Well a few days ago i was watching the movie in the message titled "My First Move". Liking what I saw, I was inspired to make my own movie. I thought it was neat to see someone around my age, 14 (I think he was anyway) solve the cube. I would like to say good job and thank you to thebunze. I believe did the cube fairly quick for a beginner method, although I was unsuccessful in beating thebunze's time of 1:03. My current record is 59 secs. So enjoy, and please leave some feedback, good or bad. Thank you. http://www.uploadtemple.com/view.php/1136264063.wmv --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Fa�a do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's funny, I actually copied that way of doing U2 from you, Stefan. But in the J-Permutation, I can't do it very fluently, but in the H, it suddenly 'works' for some reason :). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@y...> wrote: > > > > Soo.. I promised to make a video of this...: > > > > http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~jnoort/videos/hpermutation.wmv > > That's awesome fast... looks like 1.10 seconds. I tried it with index > finger doing the whole U2 in one go, too, and I'm puzzled. Sometimes > it works wonderfully, sometimes I just can't do it. Must have to do > with where exactly I place my other fingers. I also pull the M- slice > with my ring finger instead of middle finger, I prefer to have middle > (and index) finger to hold the cube stable. Anway, I just got 1.33 on > video and I'm very happy with it. Also, and more importantly, both > Bob's and your way are way *safer* for me. I used to screw up r2 R2' a > lot... > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Hi Per, those sequences aren't all QTM-optimal, are they? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan :-) > > You as a cuber and programmer can generate all the data/statistics > for qtm based on what is presented on that page. Nothing stops > you ! ;-) All sequences are given ... > Cheers! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > I know this comparison of different LL strategies: > > http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/ > > > > But it's for HTM. When searching for new algs, I prefer to > optimize > > for QTM. Does similar data as the above exist for QTM, too? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

Hey Shamsul, I live in Kingston, As Peter said he lives in Scarborough, Dave Campell lives somewhere in Toronto, Matt Walter lives in Sault St. Marie (correct me if I'm wrong) Jason Thong I believe is somewhere in Toronto, but not many people hear from him... There really aren't that many Canadian cubers...I believe there were 6 at the WC...Me, Matt, Dave, Jason, another guy named Patrick that I don't know where he lives and a guy from Montreal named Corey...so... I know some other cubers that have started lately from around southern Ontario...so...maybe we could all have a cubing meeting sometime...or maybe we'll wait till the Canadian Championships... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@y...> wrote: > > hey i was wondering if any of u live in toronto...Canada > > > Hey i got the pic thing working .. :D > > there is no other person i know the speed cubes but u guys :( > > If you do let me know > > > > SHAMSUL > > Khawaja > > > > --------------------------------- > Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi everybody!!! I know this isn't anything new but I since Iwas to lazy to find algs for VH on the internet I made my own site with algs on the swedish cube page. If anyone is interested in learning more about this you'll find it here: http://tinyurl.com/7wdd2 When you're there you can try to read some swedish as well. :-) /Gunnar Krig

I am recording the episodes, so I can make them available for download if people want that. -Chris On 1/3/06, Koen Heltzel <allyourbase@...> wrote: > > Let us know if you find a place to download them from :) > > - Koen > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > Beauty and the Geek 2 is premiering on Thursday, January 12 at 9/8c so > > that means 9 PM if you're on EST, 8 PM if you're on CST, and also 9 PM > > if you're on PST. Check out the website here: > > > > http://ktla.trb.com/entertainment/wbnetwork/stv-beautygeek- > > pkg,0,5242283.special?coll=ktla-home-nav&fif > > > > Also, on Wednesday, January 11, also at 9/8c on the WB, there's a > > 1-hour casting special... so watch all the other losers I beat out. > > > > And this week, at 9 PM, they'll be showing reruns of the first > season. > > That's it from me! > > > > Tyson "I wish I had ESPN" Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Gunnar, Nice page. Obviously you used CubeSolver to generate the algorithms, because you forgot to remove the algorithms ending with a U move. :-) Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Gunnar Krig To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] The VH-system Hi everybody!!! I know this isn't anything new but I since Iwas to lazy to find algs for VH on the internet I made my own site with algs on the swedish cube page. If anyone is interested in learning more about this you'll find it here: http://tinyurl.com/7wdd2 When you're there you can try to read some swedish as well. :-) /Gunnar Krig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Ron! I don't know how to use Acube(haven't tried to learn it), so I used your program because it's fun to use(:-P) and easy to understand. /Gunnar Krig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@s...> wrote: > > Hi Gunnar, > > Nice page. > Obviously you used CubeSolver to generate the algorithms, because you forgot to remove the algorithms ending with a U move. :-) > > Have fun, > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gunnar Krig > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:05 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] The VH-system > > > Hi everybody!!! > > I know this isn't anything new but I since Iwas to lazy to find algs > for VH on the internet I made my own site with algs on the swedish > cube page. If anyone is interested in learning more about this you'll > find it here: > > http://tinyurl.com/7wdd2 > > When you're there you can try to read some swedish as well. :-) > > /Gunnar Krig > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Please...: ) Pedro Chris Hunt <huntca@...> escreveu: I am recording the episodes, so I can make them available for download if people want that. -Chris On 1/3/06, Koen Heltzel <allyourbase@...> wrote: > > Let us know if you find a place to download them from :) > > - Koen > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > Beauty and the Geek 2 is premiering on Thursday, January 12 at 9/8c so > > that means 9 PM if you're on EST, 8 PM if you're on CST, and also 9 PM > > if you're on PST. Check out the website here: > > > > http://ktla.trb.com/entertainment/wbnetwork/stv-beautygeek- > > pkg,0,5242283.special?coll=ktla-home-nav&fif > > > > Also, on Wednesday, January 11, also at 9/8c on the WB, there's a > > 1-hour casting special... so watch all the other losers I beat out. > > > > And this week, at 9 PM, they'll be showing reruns of the first > season. > > That's it from me! > > > > Tyson "I wish I had ESPN" Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "d_j_salvia" > <d_j_salvia@y...> wrote: > > > > This implies what? > > That I've wasted way too much time on this already. You said I should > not believe everything I read. And I don't, I judge for myself. So > does everybody here (hint: now would be a good time again to say your > usual friendly "if you're idiots that's not my problem"... and then > actually act like it's really not a problem for you). > > Cheers! > Stefan > In the previous post Stefan quoted: > Parapsychologists Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, who studied Mr. Geller > at the Stanford Research Institute (now known as Stanford Research > International) were aware, in one instance at least, that they were > being shown a magician's trick by Geller. They described it in their > book Mind Reach, where they said that they > > had every confidence that Uri could do that trick [the blindfold > drive] as well as any of the dozens of other magicians who do it. implying fraud, like he did concerning Rhine, that Puthoff and Targ gave some magic tricks as proof of psychic ability. They did not. I gave specific references which Stefan did not check out on his own. He used heresay to imply fraud by researchers whom he has not himself checked out. Regards, David J

Tyson, > Your unwillingness to take up Stefan or > my offers in this manner shows us a lack of confidence you have in your > answer. It is a breach of nettiquete to demand an immediate response. Your conclusions as to why I haven't responded are all products of your imagination - all make believe. Since I met the two previous challenges, I would have thought that you might have concluded that there were other reasons why I was slow in responding. I also would have thought that the conservatism I have shown in my own listing of records on speedcubingdotcom would recommend me to you as one who doesn't make lame excuses, and who understands standards and proofs. If there are lame excuses here they are on your side. > In the case where something cannot be proven, we > have no reason to believe it. I have not asked you to believe anything. I gave you checkable references and you ignored them. I take efforts to keep contexts clear, but it seems you find those efforts to be tedious, which is probably why you missed that I made no claim to having psychic powers. > No one can prove super-human powers, or > ESP, This is, in fact, false. Some psychic abilities have been shown to exist. The inability of academia to honestly deal with this is well-known to many. Remote viewing was successfully demonstrated in a double blind experiment on national television. http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/pub/news/95nov30-dp.html Proofs have been presented many, many times, and refused publication with no good reason. > or even religion for that matter, and so, the cubing community > will not accept these reasons as excuses for whatever situation may > arise. Sorry, but I haven't given any excuses. I was challenged to go to one of several websites and try the game. I did, and when I reported the result I was immediately misquoted. I was challenged to "play the game" 100 times, even though the problem revolves around a single try. I did not get the results I was told I would get, which means that your side failed to convince me, and on top of that it was implied that I was lying. You mistake me for a dancing bear, one who immediately jumps at your slightest urging. I met two challenges, although I took my time, and what did I get for my efforts? Ridicule, and now the false accusation that I was making lame excuses in not meeting challenges. At the time I presented the result of my multiple tries I was still thinking that this was a friendly place. I had hoped that my prior posts here might have given people the idea that I respect people. I had hoped that what I posted would lead to interesting conversations. To many of you here, it's been very nice getting you to know you a little bit, feel free to contact me privately. To the rest, you know who you are, I just say Good bye, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Yes, I'm not even reading the text but I am a firm non-believer of > pseudo-science. Look David, we've outlined it very simply. We do not > believe your code was written correctly. Please show us your code and > if it does not contain errors, given that the probability of what you > did was on the order of 10^-18, I will believe that you have ESP. If > you show us your code, and it does indeed play the Monty Hall game, and > you managed to get 76 wins without switching the door, I'll believe you > have super-human powers. > > Either that, or just play my game. If you put in $4, and I put in $5, > and out of 100 times you win 76 times, you win $468. That's a lot of > money. > > With regards to ESP and all the arguments concerning time intervals and > variations of the human mind, you are now simply deviating tremendously > from your original statement that the probability of winning is 1/2 if > one does not switch the door. Your unwillingness to take up Stefan or > my offers in this manner shows us a lack of confidence you have in your > answer. Or would you care to make a counter offer? Did you play > Charles' program? > > With all of this said, I know this topic has strayed very far from > Rubik's Cube, so I'm going to bring it back to the Rubik's Cube. If > people are going to make claims, they should be willing to prove it. > Creating a situation, such as this one, where things cannot be proven > is not an excuse. In the case where something cannot be proven, we > have no reason to believe it. No one can prove super-human powers, or > ESP, or even religion for that matter, and so, the cubing community > will not accept these reasons as excuses for whatever situation may > arise. > > If you claim there are unicorns, it's your responsibility to prove to > me that there's a unicorn. It's not my fault that I can't find a > unicorn, and then you use that result to say that I can't disprove it, > and therefore it's true. That's a logical fallacy. > > So, if you're going to post an unofficial world record, don't create a > situation where you'll never be able to reproduce it, or you'll never > be able to prove yourself. What if Macky started posting 11 second > averages and then claimed, "I only have magical abilities on the cube > when no one else is watching. Otherwise I get nervous. Oh, and if you > film it, I get nervous too." Then how in the world are we supposed to > verify it? > > If something cannot be proven, no one is going to give you the benefit > of the doubt. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:10 AM, d_j_salvia wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > >> > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "d_j_salvia" > >> <d_j_salvia@y...> wrote: > >>> > >>> "Mind Reach" by Russell Targ & Harold Puthoff, > >>> Introduction by Margaret Mead. ISBN 0-440-05688-8. > >> > >> From a 5-point review on Amazon: > >> > >> --- > >> Many of the subjects who participated in the experiments described in > >> Mind-Reach are well-known figures today: Ingo Swann, Patrick Price, > >> URI GELLER ... > >> --- > >> > >> From randi.org: > >> > >> --- > >> Parapsychologists Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, who studied Mr. Geller > >> at the Stanford Research Institute (now known as Stanford Research > >> International) were aware, in one instance at least, that they were > >> being shown a magician's trick by Geller. They described it in their > >> book Mind Reach, where they said that they > >> > >> had every confidence that Uri could do that trick [the blindfold > >> drive] as well as any of the dozens of other magicians who do it. > > > > This implies what? > > > >> Targ and Puthoff issued a lengthy and quite positive scientific > >> paper extolling the psychic abilities of Geller. Their protocols for > >> this "serious" investigation of the powers claimed by Geller were > >> described by Dr. Ray Hyman, who investigated the project on behalf of > >> a U.S. funding agency, as "sloppy and inadequate." > > > > From Edwin C. May, Ph.D. > > Cognitive Sciences Laboratory > > Palo Alto, California > > > >> In the Section on the Evaluation Plan in the report, Mumford et al. > > (Page 2-1, 1995) correctly required of the laboratory investigations > > "...unambiguous [emphasis added] evidence for the existence of the > > phenomenon... ." Following this lead, Hyman hypothesized a number of > > alternative explanations for the observed statistical significance > > other than the anomalous cognitive one, although he admits he couldn't > > find any obvious flaws in the methodology (Mumford et al., 1995, Page > > 3-75). < >eoq< > > > > Concerning SRI's research with Geller, Dr Ray Hyman did not witness > > them. > > > >> --- > >> > >>> Don't believe everything you read. > >> > >> Don't worry, I certainly don't. > >> > >> Cheers! > >> Stefan > > > > Can you honestly say that you didn't believe what you just quoted? > > > > IIRC Randi was there at SRI for the Iri Geller trials himself. He went > > over all of their procedures. He prides himself at being able to sniff > > out fakery. He found nothing wrong. He himself found that SRI's > > experiment was neither sloppy nor inadequate. > > > > I am not at all impressed that Randi quotes someone else describing > > that SRI experiment as sloppy and inadequate, especially when he knows > > better from his own experience. > > > > David J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yeah, that'd be awesome :D ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > > Please...: ) > > Pedro > > Chris Hunt <huntca@g...> escreveu: > I am recording the episodes, so I can make them available for download if > people want that. > > -Chris > > On 1/3/06, Koen Heltzel <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > > > Let us know if you find a place to download them from :) > > > > - Koen > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > > > Beauty and the Geek 2 is premiering on Thursday, January 12 at 9/8c so > > > that means 9 PM if you're on EST, 8 PM if you're on CST, and also 9 PM > > > if you're on PST. Check out the website here: > > > > > > http://ktla.trb.com/entertainment/wbnetwork/stv-beautygeek- > > > pkg,0,5242283.special?coll=ktla-home-nav&fif > > > > > > Also, on Wednesday, January 11, also at 9/8c on the WB, there's a > > > 1-hour casting special... so watch all the other losers I beat out. > > > > > > And this week, at 9 PM, they'll be showing reruns of the first > > season. > > > That's it from me! > > > > > > Tyson "I wish I had ESPN" Mao > > > MSC #631 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I watched the first episode of last season, and glimpsed our own famous "geek" (if I may be so bold) a few times during promos. Tyson, you kick ass :) I hope it was an enjoyable experience for you! I'll definately be watching. -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > Beauty and the Geek 2 is premiering on Thursday, January 12 at 9/8c so > that means 9 PM if you're on EST, 8 PM if you're on CST, and also 9 PM > if you're on PST. Check out the website here: > > http://ktla.trb.com/entertainment/wbnetwork/stv-beautygeek- > pkg,0,5242283.special?coll=ktla-home-nav&fif > > Also, on Wednesday, January 11, also at 9/8c on the WB, there's a > 1-hour casting special... so watch all the other losers I beat out. > > And this week, at 9 PM, they'll be showing reruns of the first season. > That's it from me! > > Tyson "I wish I had ESPN" Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > You beat me by about .1 or .2 seconds on that one too! 5 AM solves are > certainly pretty crazy. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 2, 2006, at 10:29 PM, Chris Hunt wrote: > > > Mine might have been that one time when I solved on Dallas News or > > something > > like that...I was racing some dude. Oh wait, that was you. :P > > > > -Chris > > > > (I don't get to be on TV as much as you...so it's a big deal for > > me..lol) > > > > On 1/2/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > >> > >> Hey, do you guys remember your most stressful solve? In the coming > >> weeks, you'll get a chance to compare it to my most stressful solve > >> :-P. > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> MSC #631 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > My most stressful solve was when I did a solve for 25,000+ people at the Georgia Tech vs. Air Force game. I did horrible. My hands were shaking SOOO bad.

Who do most people consider the best overall cuber? Only including 3x3x3, 4x4x4,5x5x5, and 2x2x2 not puzzles like magic.

Chris Hardwick has my vote... bballkid2076 <bballkid2076@...> wrote: Who do most people consider the best overall cuber? Only including 3x3x3, 4x4x4,5x5x5, and 2x2x2 not puzzles like magic. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ya probably Chris... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Frank Morris <ephem825@y...> wrote: > > Chris Hardwick has my vote... > > bballkid2076 <bballkid2076@y...> wrote: Who do most people consider the best overall cuber? Only including > 3x3x3, 4x4x4,5x5x5, and 2x2x2 not puzzles like magic. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I have two guesses which one is your most stressful; the one I think was most stressful for you probably wouldn't have been the worst one for me. 9 more days... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mine would have to be my solve in the talent show in my school. I solved a 4x4 and a 3x3 while under bad light and in front of screaming people from my school. Took more than 4 min total, quite bad. :) Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Hey, do you guys remember your most stressful solve? In the coming > weeks, you'll get a chance to compare it to my most stressful solve > :-P. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology >

Ok, im thinking about what to do... I'm thinking about cubing for my school talent show, if I get faster. But i don't know if people would think it's cool or would laugh at me? A lot of people think it's cool, but i don't know... What do you guys think? I need your help. Thanks a lot. - Mr. Kiss

Ofcourse its cool! Just dont let people see u solving the cube for the whole time. Coz staring at one thing which u dont understand for about 60 seconds is boring :( So make ur slve a little more dramatic...like play some music in the background or something...or like macky does, do it one handed while fliping balls with the other hand at the same time. Do let us know how it goes. And im sure, if u perform with the cube, atleast 2-3 ppl will get interested enuf to start cubing, and thats good for the community. So think of it as social work :) Sachin. On 1/4/06, master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@...> wrote: > Ok, im thinking about what to do... I'm thinking about cubing for my > school talent show, if I get faster. But i don't know if people would > think it's cool or would laugh at me? A lot of people think it's cool, > but i don't know... What do you guys think? I need your help. Thanks a > lot. > > - Mr. Kiss > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Well, using my simplistic points-based system, at WC2005 the "Top Cuber" was actually Leyan Lo (then Chris Hardwick) and "Top Puzzler" was Stefan Pochmann (then Alexander Ooms). See my post (msg#22392) for details: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/2239 2 yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@y...> wrote: > > Who do most people consider the best overall cuber? Only including > 3x3x3, 4x4x4,5x5x5, and 2x2x2 not puzzles like magic. >

On the other hand there will of course be people saying "that's stupid" "I can do it faster than you" and such things, but just ignore them, that's what they deserve :p Gilles. 2006/1/4, Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@...m>: > Ofcourse its cool! > > > Just dont let people see u solving the cube for the whole time. Coz > staring at one thing which u dont understand for about 60 seconds is > boring :( > > So make ur slve a little more dramatic...like play some music in the > background or something...or like macky does, do it one handed while > fliping balls with the other hand at the same time. > > Do let us know how it goes. And im sure, if u perform with the cube, > atleast 2-3 ppl will get interested enuf to start cubing, and thats > good for the community. So think of it as social work :) > > Sachin. > > On 1/4/06, master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@...> wrote: > > Ok, im thinking about what to do... I'm thinking about cubing for my > > school talent show, if I get faster. But i don't know if people would > > think it's cool or would laugh at me? A lot of people think it's cool, > > but i don't know... What do you guys think? I need your help. Thanks a > > lot. > > > > - Mr. Kiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I vote for Macky!! Leyan Frank Morris wrote: > Chris Hardwick has my vote... > > bballkid2076 <bballkid2076@...> wrote: Who do most people consider the best overall cuber? Only including > 3x3x3, 4x4x4,5x5x5, and 2x2x2 not puzzles like magic. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

thank you for the help, and im planning on doing it in the talent show, which isnt until may . so im hoping by that time i can do it in about 30 seconds, plus music. i think iy would be cool, and worth it. Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@...> wrote: Ofcourse its cool! Just dont let people see u solving the cube for the whole time. Coz staring at one thing which u dont understand for about 60 seconds is boring :( So make ur slve a little more dramatic...like play some music in the background or something...or like macky does, do it one handed while fliping balls with the other hand at the same time. Do let us know how it goes. And im sure, if u perform with the cube, atleast 2-3 ppl will get interested enuf to start cubing, and thats good for the community. So think of it as social work :) Sachin. On 1/4/06, master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@...> wrote: > Ok, im thinking about what to do... I'm thinking about cubing for my > school talent show, if I get faster. But i don't know if people would > think it's cool or would laugh at me? A lot of people think it's cool, > but i don't know... What do you guys think? I need your help. Thanks a > lot. > > - Mr. Kiss > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

nobody at my school can even do it. lol, so it might be cool to see, cuz its original. and thanks for the feedback Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: On the other hand there will of course be people saying "that's stupid" "I can do it faster than you" and such things, but just ignore them, that's what they deserve :p Gilles. 2006/1/4, Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@...>: > Ofcourse its cool! > > > Just dont let people see u solving the cube for the whole time. Coz > staring at one thing which u dont understand for about 60 seconds is > boring :( > > So make ur slve a little more dramatic...like play some music in the > background or something...or like macky does, do it one handed while > fliping balls with the other hand at the same time. > > Do let us know how it goes. And im sure, if u perform with the cube, > atleast 2-3 ppl will get interested enuf to start cubing, and thats > good for the community. So think of it as social work :) > > Sachin. > > On 1/4/06, master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@...> wrote: > > Ok, im thinking about what to do... I'm thinking about cubing for my > > school talent show, if I get faster. But i don't know if people would > > think it's cool or would laugh at me? A lot of people think it's cool, > > but i don't know... What do you guys think? I need your help. Thanks a > > lot. > > > > - Mr. Kiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey everyone i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested in seeing what women think about this thanks -Adam

Hey Adam, I know a girl cuber. http://www.speedcubing.com/events/wc2005.html You can count like 5+ girls I don't know how many competed though, too many names..

Hi :-) Just to spread the votes somewhat i will vote for either Lars Vandenbergh or Frank Morris :-) I have to eliminate myself because im really bad on 3x3x3 (not too interested either, except fewest moves) and i don't even have a real 2x2x2 cube ;-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Frank Morris <ephem825@y...> wrote: > > Chris Hardwick has my vote... > > bballkid2076 <bballkid2076@y...> wrote: Who do most people consider the best overall cuber? Only including > 3x3x3, 4x4x4,5x5x5, and 2x2x2 not puzzles like magic. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > > Just to spread the votes somewhat i will vote for either Lars > Vandenbergh or Frank Morris :-) > > Cheers! > > -Per I also vote for Lars. He never left the stage during awards in Orlando. Except apparently to sneak up on the hostess. -Mike

Umm ... Even so it's good indication nevertheless ;-) And if u have ur own qtm-optimal supplements u can use them in addition to those given :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Hi Per, > > those sequences aren't all QTM-optimal, are they? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan :-) > > > > You as a cuber and programmer can generate all the data/statistics > > for qtm based on what is presented on that page. Nothing stops > > you ! ;-) All sequences are given ... > > Cheers! > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > I know this comparison of different LL strategies: > > > http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/ > > > > > > But it's for HTM. When searching for new algs, I prefer to > > optimize > > > for QTM. Does similar data as the above exist for QTM, too? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > >

Hi Adam, I'm a girl speedcuber. I'm a reasonably active cuber, particularly as far as girls go. I've competed in several official competitions and can solve lots of other puzzles too, not just the 3×3×3. I've been part of this yahoo discussion group for many years, but just haven't posted much recently. I used to post A LOT on here, as Stefan's stats showed. (For those who don't know to what I'm referring, Stefan posted some stats a while ago about the most prolific posters at the time and I think I was reasonably high up on the list.) You'll find that very few girls are interested in speedcubing, which means very few girls are active in this group and very few enter official competitions (or unofficial competitions for that matter). Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:31:31 -0000, "master_bater_0000" <master_bater_0000@...> said: > > Hey everyone > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. > I > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please > write > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be > interested > in seeing what women think about this > thanks > -Adam > ___________________________________________________________ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "[1]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [2]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [3]Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > ___________________________________________________________ > > References > > 1. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > 2. > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > 3. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin

Hey, im glad to see a girl cubist. how old r u? just out of curiousity Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@...> wrote: Hi Adam, I'm a girl speedcuber. I'm a reasonably active cuber, particularly as far as girls go. I've competed in several official competitions and can solve lots of other puzzles too, not just the 3×3×3. I've been part of this yahoo discussion group for many years, but just haven't posted much recently. I used to post A LOT on here, as Stefan's stats showed. (For those who don't know to what I'm referring, Stefan posted some stats a while ago about the most prolific posters at the time and I think I was reasonably high up on the list.) You'll find that very few girls are interested in speedcubing, which means very few girls are active in this group and very few enter official competitions (or unofficial competitions for that matter). Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:31:31 -0000, "master_bater_0000" <master_bater_0000@...> said: > > Hey everyone > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. > I > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please > write > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be > interested > in seeing what women think about this > thanks > -Adam > ___________________________________________________________ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "[1]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [2]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [3]Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > ___________________________________________________________ > > References > > 1. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > 2. > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > 3. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm 29. Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:03:22 -0800 (PST), "adam kiss" <master_bater_0000@...> said: > > Hey, > im glad to see a girl cubist. > how old r u? just out of curiousity > Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@...> wrote: Hi Adam, > I'm a girl speedcuber. > I'm a reasonably active cuber, particularly as far as girls go. > I've > competed in several official competitions and can solve lots of > other > puzzles too, not just the 3×3×3. > I've been part of this yahoo discussion group for many years, > but just > haven't posted much recently. I used to post A LOT on here, as > Stefan's > stats showed. (For those who don't know to what I'm referring, > Stefan > posted some stats a while ago about the most prolific posters at > the > time and I think I was reasonably high up on the list.) > You'll find that very few girls are interested in speedcubing, > which > means very few girls are active in this group and very few enter > official competitions (or unofficial competitions for that > matter). > Jasmine > [1]http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:31:31 -0000, "master_bater_0000" > <master_bater_0000@...> said: > > > > Hey everyone > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do > this. > > I > > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please > > write > > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be > > interested > > in seeing what women think about this > > thanks > > -Adam > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "[1]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [2]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [3]Yahoo! > Terms > > of Service. > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > References > > > > 1. [2]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > > 2. > > > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subjec > t=Unsubscribe > > 3. [3]http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > -- > [4]http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw > puzzle game Free puzzle > inlay games Educational > game and > puzzle > Word puzzle > game Kid puzzle > game Puzzle > games > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > --------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, > holidays, whatever. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ___________________________________________________________ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "[5]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [6]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [7]Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > ___________________________________________________________ > > References > > 1. http://speedcuber.blogspot.com/ > 2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > 3. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > 4. http://www.fastmail.fm/ > 5. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > 6. > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > 7. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service

well nice to meet u, im 14 Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@...> wrote: I'm 29. Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:03:22 -0800 (PST), "adam kiss" <master_bater_0000@...> said: > > Hey, > im glad to see a girl cubist. > how old r u? just out of curiousity > Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@...> wrote: Hi Adam, > I'm a girl speedcuber. > I'm a reasonably active cuber, particularly as far as girls go. > I've > competed in several official competitions and can solve lots of > other > puzzles too, not just the 3�3�3. > I've been part of this yahoo discussion group for many years, > but just > haven't posted much recently. I used to post A LOT on here, as > Stefan's > stats showed. (For those who don't know to what I'm referring, > Stefan > posted some stats a while ago about the most prolific posters at > the > time and I think I was reasonably high up on the list.) > You'll find that very few girls are interested in speedcubing, > which > means very few girls are active in this group and very few enter > official competitions (or unofficial competitions for that > matter). > Jasmine > [1]http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:31:31 -0000, "master_bater_0000" > <master_bater_0000@...> said: > > > > Hey everyone > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do > this. > > I > > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please > > write > > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be > > interested > > in seeing what women think about this > > thanks > > -Adam > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "[1]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [2]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [3]Yahoo! > Terms > > of Service. > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > References > > > > 1. [2]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > > 2. > > > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subjec > t=Unsubscribe > > 3. [3]http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > -- > [4]http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw > puzzle game Free puzzle > inlay games Educational > game and > puzzle > Word puzzle > game Kid puzzle > game Puzzle > games > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > --------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, > holidays, whatever. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ___________________________________________________________ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "[5]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [6]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [7]Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > ___________________________________________________________ > > References > > 1. http://speedcuber.blogspot.com/ > 2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > 3. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > 4. http://www.fastmail.fm/ > 5. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > 6. > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > 7. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I made a list based in the world ranking. The 20 first in each event get 20-1 point(s). Counting only the points for 3*3*3, 4*4*4, 5*5*5 the top-3 cubers are: 1) Lars Vandenbergh--53p 2) Chris Hardwick----43p 3) Ron van Bruchem---41p Check the lsit out here: www.student.itn.liu.se/~gunkr520/TheBestCubers.xls /Gunnar Krig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@y...> wrote: > > > Well, using my simplistic points-based system, at WC2005 the "Top > Cuber" was actually Leyan Lo (then Chris Hardwick) and "Top Puzzler" > was Stefan Pochmann (then Alexander Ooms). > > See my post (msg#22392) for details: > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/22 39 > 2 > > yeff > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" > <bballkid2076@y...> wrote: > > > > Who do most people consider the best overall cuber? Only including > > 3x3x3, 4x4x4,5x5x5, and 2x2x2 not puzzles like magic. > > >

Lets also make a Best Puzzler. They must have entered at least 5 events in the 2005 year. And this isn't the person who can solve the most puzzles, but is goot at the most puzzles... I vote Stefan Pochmann hands down... Craig

So basically you'd like to know which person has had, in average, the best result, for this year consedering all categories ? If so, I think you need to figure out something like a "points classification". I think it can be easily made, just extend what has already been done with the 20 best of each category. (of course you'd have a few problems you'd need to handle (for example : not the same number of competitors in every category)). If you want to have something more official, I suggest the creation of a "Cubing Quadriathlon event" or something like (i'm not sute if the word wuadriathlon is correct :p) that :p Though I'm not sure it'd be a success. Gilles. 2006/1/4, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...>: > Lets also make a Best Puzzler. > > They must have entered at least 5 events in the 2005 year. And this > isn't the person who can solve the most puzzles, but is goot at the > most puzzles... > > I vote Stefan Pochmann hands down... > > Craig > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Hey, do you guys remember your most stressful solve? In the coming > weeks, you'll get a chance to compare it to my most stressful solve > :-P. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > My probably most stressful solve was for that officer when I entered the USA for RWC 2005. He asked what I'm there for, I said "Rubik's World Championship", he said "What?" and eventually I showed him a solve. I had amnesia for an intuitive F2L alg! Can you beat that? Cheers! Stefan

I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk at Caltech hosted tournaments. Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > Hey everyone > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > in seeing what women think about this > > thanks > > -Adam >

Since when is cubing geeky??? I've gotten that from everyone who knows I'm a cuber and went to the championships...I was like...there was only 1 person (and don't bother asking cuz I ain't saying) I would even begin to go near considering a geek there...so... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > Shelley > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > > > Hey everyone > > > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > > in seeing what women think about this > > > > thanks > > > > -Adam > > >

We go to Caltech. We're not "normal." Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 4, 2006, at 9:43 AM, aznseashell wrote: > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > Shelley > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: >> >> Hey everyone >> >> i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I >> have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write >> back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested >> in seeing what women think about this >> >> thanks >> >> -Adam >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@y...> wrote: > > hey i was wondering if any of u live in toronto...Canada > Yes, I live in the Toronto area. Just for clarification: Matt Walter lives in Southampton (nowhere near Sault Ste. Marie for the record). Jason Thong is in Hamilton as far as I know. Patrick Lam is in Kamloops, BC. -Dave Campbell

Tyson, I won't argue that point...but you get what I mean... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > We go to Caltech. We're not "normal." > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 9:43 AM, aznseashell wrote: > > > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > >> > >> Hey everyone > >> > >> i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > >> have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > >> back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > >> in seeing what women think about this > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> -Adam > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I know of someone who lives in Lindsay, and one in Brockville, or was it Belleville...meh...and another that lives somewhere near toronto...so we are all within a few hours drive of one another...maybe we could organize a Canadian Competition and get all the people that are hiding to come out... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, thewetdog <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, shamsul khawaja > <shamsus2010@y...> wrote: > > > > hey i was wondering if any of u live in toronto...Canada > > > > > Yes, I live in the Toronto area. > > Just for clarification: > Matt Walter lives in Southampton (nowhere near Sault Ste. Marie for > the record). > Jason Thong is in Hamilton as far as I know. > Patrick Lam is in Kamloops, BC. > > -Dave Campbell >

Hi Tyson :-) Ipso facto, noone is normal :D Normality is just an average kind of behaviour ;-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > We go to Caltech. We're not "normal." > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 9:43 AM, aznseashell wrote: > > > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > >> > >> Hey everyone > >> > >> i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > >> have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > >> back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > >> in seeing what women think about this > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> -Adam > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. How do I solve this? Thanks

Just 2 middle pieces? anything else? I think you have to take you cube apart and put it solved Pedro David <ladartfrog@...> escreveu: I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. How do I solve this? Thanks SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi David :-) I think he probably means 2 and 2 swapped adjacent centers. That would leave a swap of 2 corners or swap of 2 edges at the end. Please tell us in more detail what is ur problem and we can surely help u :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > > Just 2 middle pieces? anything else? I think you have to take you cube apart and put it solved > > Pedro > > David <ladartfrog@y...> escreveu: > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > How do I solve this? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hey. A few things. What I was talking about is http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to solve that? In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last layer: F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've looked but can't find anything good. thanks David David Barr <david20708@...> wrote: What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this sequence: r' D l D' r D l' D' In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice that is adjacent to the named face. On 1/4/06, David wrote: > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > How do I solve this? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) Ah ok then i know what u mean :-) It's a 2-flip :-) My easy cure for that is this one (assumimg u know what the E move is): R' E' R2 E2 R' (flips first edge) U'............ (positions next edge) R E2 R2 E R... (flips second edge) U............. (restores U layer) To know what the E move is check here : http://www.speedcubing.com/moves.html Good luck! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > Hey. A few things. > > What I was talking about is http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg > > Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to solve that? > > In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last layer: > F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) > F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) > L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) > F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) > F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) > > Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've looked but can't find anything good. > > thanks > > David > > David Barr <david20708@g...> wrote: > What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? > What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve > these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? > > If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a > 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this > sequence: > > r' D l D' r D l' D' > > In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice that is > adjacent to the named face. > > On 1/4/06, David wrote: > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > > > How do I solve this? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I'm a fellow female cuber - been cubing around 2 years now and I'm not a die hard like many of the guys but I've been to a couple competitions and done well for myself. I've added you to my yahoo messenger (redivre@...) --- master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@...> wrote: > Hey everyone > > i was just curious to see of there are any females > that do this. I > have only seen males, but im sure there are women > too. Please write > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i > would be interested > in seeing what women think about this > > thanks > > -Adam > > > > "Hope you have the time of your life" - GD Christy (Crispy) __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL � Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Hey -- sorry to be sending so many emails, but I realized that if my edges are at least oriented properly, I can solve them... the only problem I have is when they are rotated. So my real question (my initial one) is how do I rotate edge pieces? Can it be done without affecting the rest of the puzzle, or should the edges not be done last? Thanks David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: Hey. A few things. What I was talking about is http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to solve that? In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last layer: F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've looked but can't find anything good. thanks David David Barr <david20708@...> wrote: What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this sequence: r' D l D' r D l' D' In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice that is adjacent to the named face. On 1/4/06, David wrote: > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > How do I solve this? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Very nice commutator Per :-) Also, to flip edges on the LL, I recommend this : (M'U) * 4 It will flip the UB and the UL edge + the DB and DF edge. Just do U moves to choose which edge you want to flip and then do it again. (the down side will be solved) Gilles. 2006/1/4, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...>: > Hi :-) > > Ah ok then i know what u mean :-) It's a 2-flip :-) > > My easy cure for that is this one (assumimg u know what the E move > is): > > R' E' R2 E2 R' (flips first edge) > U'............ (positions next edge) > R E2 R2 E R... (flips second edge) > U............. (restores U layer) > > To know what the E move is check here : > > http://www.speedcubing.com/moves.html > > Good luck! > > -Per > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey. A few things. > > > > What I was talking about is > http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg > > > > Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an > H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to > solve that? > > > > In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last > layer: > > F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) > > F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) > > L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) > > F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) > > F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) > > > > Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've > looked but can't find anything good. > > > > thanks > > > > David > > > > David Barr <david20708@g...> wrote: > > What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? > > What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve > > these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? > > > > If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a > > 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this > > sequence: > > > > r' D l D' r D l' D' > > > > In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice > that is > > adjacent to the named face. > > > > On 1/4/06, David wrote: > > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up > with > > > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > > > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > > > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences > that I > > > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation > in 5-10 > > > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > > > > > How do I solve this? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I have some auctions running again, some end this Saturday, some next. I'll probably add some more soon. I'm turning the German game cube into a speedcube again, same with the Tomy Megaminx. The Speed-Domino is prepared already, but I want to play with it some more before I sell it. http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/ebay_2006_01_04.jpg http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZstefanQ5fpochmann The "normal" cube is a heavy (145 grams) old type cube with caps everywhere inside, probably late 1970s from Pentangle or Politechnika. The Calendar is German. All other puzzles are I think obvious from the group picture. Cheers! Stefan

Actually I think you are missing an algorithm to permute the corners! You can use x R' U R' D2 R U' R' D2 R2. But check Dan Harris' beginner solution: http://www.cubestation.co.uk/. Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > Hey. A few things. > > What I was talking about is http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg > > Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to solve that? > > In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last layer: > F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) > F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) > L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) > F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) > F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) > > Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've looked but can't find anything good. > > thanks > > David > > David Barr <david20708@g...> wrote: > What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? > What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve > these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? > > If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a > 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this > sequence: > > r' D l D' r D l' D' > > In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice that is > adjacent to the named face. > > On 1/4/06, David wrote: > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > > > How do I solve this? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

To solve the cube from the position you gave you can also just do: U F U F2 D' L' U' L U D F2 U2 F' (found with Cube Explorer) Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > Hey -- sorry to be sending so many emails, but I realized that if my edges are at least oriented properly, I can solve them... the only problem I have is when they are rotated. So my real question (my initial one) is how do I rotate edge pieces? Can it be done without affecting the rest of the puzzle, or should the edges not be done last? > > Thanks > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > Hey. A few things. > > What I was talking about is http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg > > Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to solve that? > > In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last layer: > F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) > F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) > L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) > F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) > F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) > > Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've looked but can't find anything good. > > thanks > > David > > David Barr <david20708@g...> wrote: > What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? > What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve > these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? > > If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a > 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this > sequence: > > r' D l D' r D l' D' > > In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice that is > adjacent to the named face. > > On 1/4/06, David wrote: > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > > > How do I solve this? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

mm...you posted on the same time as I did, just check my previous message ;-) Gilles. 2006/1/4, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...>: > Hey -- sorry to be sending so many emails, but I realized that if my edges are at least oriented properly, I can solve them... the only problem I have is when they are rotated. So my real question (my initial one) is how do I rotate edge pieces? Can it be done without affecting the rest of the puzzle, or should the edges not be done last? > > Thanks > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hey. A few things. > > What I was talking about is http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg > > Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to solve that? > > In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last layer: > F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) > F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) > L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) > F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) > F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) > > Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've looked but can't find anything good. > > thanks > > David > > David Barr <david20708@...> wrote: > What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? > What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve > these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? > > If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a > 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this > sequence: > > r' D l D' r D l' D' > > In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice that is > adjacent to the named face. > > On 1/4/06, David wrote: > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > > > How do I solve this? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

It's amazing how much you get for the studio cubes! I'll be bidding on the game cube :) - Base --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > I have some auctions running again, some end this Saturday, some next. > I'll probably add some more soon. I'm turning the German game cube > into a speedcube again, same with the Tomy Megaminx. The Speed-Domino > is prepared already, but I want to play with it some more before I > sell it. > > http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/ebay_2006_01_04.jpg > http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZstefanQ5fpochmann > > The "normal" cube is a heavy (145 grams) old type cube with caps > everywhere inside, probably late 1970s from Pentangle or Politechnika. > The Calendar is German. All other puzzles are I think obvious from the > group picture. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

yes, most people are jerks about it. "nerd" is the most common one. I dont see why people call me that, i mean, its just another hobby. i dont call u a stupid jock for playing sports. im not that good at sports, so i do things with my brain, not my body. plus, those jocks will be working for me one day, when i own a company and they are at mcdonalds :D (maybe thats just me) -Adam --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Since when is cubing geeky??? I've gotten that from everyone who knows > I'm a cuber and went to the championships...I was like...there was > only 1 person (and don't bother asking cuz I ain't saying) I would > even begin to go near considering a geek there...so... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey everyone > > > > > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > > > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > > > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > > > in seeing what women think about this > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > -Adam > > > > > >

Yah, I agree 100%. The name is Craig Bouchard. Yahoo/AIM: chbouchard777 MSN: logitewty at hotmail.com Suprisingly, most ppl realise this...(at least around me...) Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > yes, most people are jerks about it. "nerd" is the most common one. I > dont see why people call me that, i mean, its just another hobby. i > dont call u a stupid jock for playing sports. im not that good at > sports, so i do things with my brain, not my body. plus, those jocks > will be working for me one day, when i own a company and they are at > mcdonalds :D > (maybe thats just me) > -Adam > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Since when is cubing geeky??? I've gotten that from everyone who knows > > I'm a cuber and went to the championships...I was like...there was > > only 1 person (and don't bother asking cuz I ain't saying) I would > > even begin to go near considering a geek there...so... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > > > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > > > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > > > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > > > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > > > > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > > > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > > > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey everyone > > > > > > > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > > > > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > > > > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > > > > in seeing what women think about this > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > -Adam > > > > > > > > > >

I am very suprised that no one has mentioned this yet http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3H4PIF7BOW5B23I2CT76R8F4EA For this case, why not do M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2...BLD ppl... http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0X4I0MDW7FERK13NB9GQQYLLQA For this case, why not do L' B' M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2 B L If the alg doesn't solve the case try the other picture...they may have gotten switched :( Anyways...solving edge orientation last isn't the smartest if you are doing a 4LLL... My 2 cents... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > Hey. A few things. > > What I was talking about is http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg > > Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to solve that? > > In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last layer: > F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) > F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) > L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) > F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) > F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) > > Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've looked but can't find anything good. > > thanks > > David > > David Barr <david20708@g...> wrote: > What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? > What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve > these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? > > If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a > 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this > sequence: > > r' D l D' r D l' D' > > In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice that is > adjacent to the named face. > > On 1/4/06, David wrote: > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > > > How do I solve this? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hey guys, I was at the mall shopping for my sister's birthday present and there was this stand set up that sold rubik's type stuff...I was looking around...ended up buying another magic, a homer simpson head, a new 5x5 (hope it turns out good :)) and then the 4x4 below. I wasn't going to get another 4x4...but all the stuff was 25% off...and this intrigued me...I've never seen anything like this...It was a public display, and the case was still closed like it had never been open, so I don't think someone took it out, mixed it, and then put it back in cuz there are only a few ppl in the world who can do that (from what I saw with the UFO puzzles at WC)...so can anyone explain this phenomenon??? Anyone else ever had this happen??? I had to buy it...and right now the cube is in my garage with lube in it...when it is done I am going to time the solve... Side 1: http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0OGQZBEQG0LWY3KFTVY1TF5Y9W Side 2: http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JAMHZR9NOF0Z39L35ZLOEG877 Thanx, Craig P.S. - Someone remind me to take a picture of my collection now...its grown since the last picture I took...

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Side 1: > http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0OGQZBEQG0LWY3KFTVY1TF5Y9W > > Side 2: > http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JAMHZR9NOF0Z39L35ZLOEG877 Any chance you can scale down to less than 2 MB per picture? Cheers! Stefan

Cubing is geeky in that we devote an inordinate amount of time to a hobby most people consider esoteric. "Geek" isn't so much an insult as "nerd," which implies social ineptness. At least that's the way I see it. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Since when is cubing geeky??? I've gotten that from everyone who knows > I'm a cuber and went to the championships...I was like...there was > only 1 person (and don't bother asking cuz I ain't saying) I would > even begin to go near considering a geek there...so... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey everyone > > > > > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > > > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > > > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > > > in seeing what women think about this > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > -Adam > > > > > >

I can try...i'll let you know...2 MB isn't that big... Craig

Gilles, I don't know if I understand your method. How would I use it to solve something like the one I posted before, http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.bmp, or like http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/2fish.jpg that I would like to learn your method since it requires almost no memorization. thanks David Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: Very nice commutator Per :-) Also, to flip edges on the LL, I recommend this : (M'U) * 4 It will flip the UB and the UL edge + the DB and DF edge. Just do U moves to choose which edge you want to flip and then do it again. (the down side will be solved) Gilles. 2006/1/4, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...>: > Hi :-) > > Ah ok then i know what u mean :-) It's a 2-flip :-) > > My easy cure for that is this one (assumimg u know what the E move > is): > > R' E' R2 E2 R' (flips first edge) > U'............ (positions next edge) > R E2 R2 E R... (flips second edge) > U............. (restores U layer) > > To know what the E move is check here : > > http://www.speedcubing.com/moves.html > > Good luck! > > -Per > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey. A few things. > > > > What I was talking about is > http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg > > > > Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an > H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to > solve that? > > > > In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last > layer: > > F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) > > F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) > > L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) > > F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) > > F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) > > > > Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've > looked but can't find anything good. > > > > thanks > > > > David > > > > David Barr <david20708@g...> wrote: > > What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? > > What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve > > these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? > > > > If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a > > 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this > > sequence: > > > > r' D l D' r D l' D' > > > > In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice > that is > > adjacent to the named face. > > > > On 1/4/06, David wrote: > > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up > with > > > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > > > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > > > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences > that I > > > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation > in 5-10 > > > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > > > > > How do I solve this? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

excellent point, and i agree 100% thanks for that enlightenment how old r u by the way? just askin aznseashell <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Cubing is geeky in that we devote an inordinate amount of time to a hobby most people consider esoteric. "Geek" isn't so much an insult as "nerd," which implies social ineptness. At least that's the way I see it. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Since when is cubing geeky??? I've gotten that from everyone who knows > I'm a cuber and went to the championships...I was like...there was > only 1 person (and don't bother asking cuz I ain't saying) I would > even begin to go near considering a geek there...so... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey everyone > > > > > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > > > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > > > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > > > in seeing what women think about this > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > -Adam > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OK, so...I got 750 KB, with both pictures...that work??? http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21DQ7NANA8IHA2S087HJG2LD6M Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > I can try...i'll let you know...2 MB isn't that big... > > Craig >

Sorry if there was already a post like this. Post: 1. how long youve been cubing/speedcubing 2. method you use 3. records / averages 4. anything else I'll start. Started a few years ago but stopped for 2 years. Just got back into it. I use the beginner layer method. Best lucky solve is 45, best not lucky is 51. I'm switching over to Mr. Petrus's method.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David " <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > How do I solve this? > > Thanks > IF they are in the UF and UB position, you could do (M'U)3 U (MU)3 U 1. You could set this up with (RB), and then do the aformentioned algorithm. (Do B'R' at the end) 2. Or you could do this ELL : (FR'F'R)(L'U)(RU'M') Then Permute with R2 d'(M'U2M) d'L2 If anyone finds anything really cool for this case, let me know. Jason K

1. 5 weeks 2. LBL, learning F2L 3. best - 0:54 average - 1:26 4. Im Hungarian, same as the Rubik's cube inventor! :) thebunze <thebunze@...> wrote: Sorry if there was already a post like this. Post: 1. how long youve been cubing/speedcubing 2. method you use 3. records / averages 4. anything else I'll start. Started a few years ago but stopped for 2 years. Just got back into it. I use the beginner layer method. Best lucky solve is 45, best not lucky is 51. I'm switching over to Mr. Petrus's method. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's not that hard to figure out how to open that box and reseal it, especially for the store workers who handle them all the time. I've seen it a few times before. They probably know that the stickers will peel and curl if the puzzle was left out for display, so they put it back in the box. Maybe? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > been open, so I don't think someone took it out, mixed it, and then > put it back in cuz there are only a few ppl in the world who can do > that (from what I saw with the UFO puzzles at WC)...so can anyone > explain this phenomenon??? Anyone else ever had this happen???

Hey -- I'm having trouble interpretting Jason's notation; can someone tell me what Jason means when he writes: (M'U)3 U (MU)3 U and (FR'F'R)(L'U)(RU'M') Then Permute with R2 d'(M'U2M) d'L2 Does the first one mean M'U three times in the same spot, then U, then MU 3 times in the same spot, then U? The second one makes sense except I don't understand the logic behind the grouping with parantheese... and why is d' in lowercase? Thanks! David kovacic81 <kovacic81@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David " <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up with > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences that I > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation in 5-10 > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > How do I solve this? > > Thanks > IF they are in the UF and UB position, you could do (M'U)3 U (MU)3 U 1. You could set this up with (RB), and then do the aformentioned algorithm. (Do B'R' at the end) 2. Or you could do this ELL : (FR'F'R)(L'U)(RU'M') Then Permute with R2 d'(M'U2M) d'L2 If anyone finds anything really cool for this case, let me know. Jason K SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > Hey -- I'm having trouble interpretting Jason's notation; can someone tell me what Jason means when he writes: > > (M'U)3 U (MU)3 U > > and > > (FR'F'R)(L'U)(RU'M') > Then Permute with R2 d'(M'U2M) d'L2 > > Does the first one mean M'U three times in the same spot, then U, then MU 3 times in the same spot, then U? > > The second one makes sense except I don't understand the logic behind the grouping with parantheese... and why is d' in lowercase? > > Thanks! > > David M refers to the column between L and R. M turns similarly to L, and M' is like an R. Grouping with parentheses helps to denote which moves should be done together, either to demonstrate the effects of certain chunks, or for ease of performing the moves themselves. The d' was lowercase because it means the two layers below U. Lowercase letters generally refer to double layer turns. Also, Jason, why don't you perform that ELL as (rUR')(U'M)(URU'R')? It only uses RUM moves and is super fast. The inverse is great, too: (RUR'U)(M'U)(RU'r') -Mike

Well i still think this sport or hobby, whatever you call it is still somewhat male oriented. I'll tell you my experience...i am in the process of setting a rubik's cube club at my univ and to that effect i had called a informal meeting of all those interested in the cube....i had publicised it quite well and about 25 people showed up which is quite above my expectations btw. But the real fun thing is that not even a single female turned up. So i think this clearly shows that cubing is not much the liking of the female population. Also the statistics on this group or in any cubing competition also show the same results. But i still cannot understand as to what exactly makes cubing so male dominated? Is there some genes in males which are more tuned to puzzle solving or what? Sachin. On 1/5/06, adam kiss <master_bater_0000@...> wrote: > excellent point, and i agree 100% > > thanks for that enlightenment > > how old r u by the way? just askin > > aznseashell <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Cubing is geeky in that we devote an inordinate amount of time to a > hobby most people consider esoteric. "Geek" isn't so much an insult as > "nerd," which implies social ineptness. At least that's the way I see it. > > Shelley > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Since when is cubing geeky??? I've gotten that from everyone who knows > > I'm a cuber and went to the championships...I was like...there was > > only 1 person (and don't bother asking cuz I ain't saying) I would > > even begin to go near considering a geek there...so... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > > > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > > > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > > > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > > > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > > > > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > > > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > > > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey everyone > > > > > > > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > > > > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > > > > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > > > > in seeing what women think about this > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > -Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@...> wrote: Well i still think this sport or hobby, whatever you call it is still somewhat male oriented. I'll tell you my experience...i am in the process of setting a rubik's cube club at my univ and to that effect i had called a informal meeting of all those interested in the cube....i had publicised it quite well and about 25 people showed up which is quite above my expectations btw. But the real fun thing is that not even a single female turned up. So i think this clearly shows that cubing is not much the liking of the female population. Also the statistics on this group or in any cubing competition also show the same results. But i still cannot understand as to what exactly makes cubing so male dominated? Is there some genes in males which are more tuned to puzzle solving or what? Sachin. On 1/5/06, adam kiss <master_bater_0000@...> wrote: > excellent point, and i agree 100% > > thanks for that enlightenment > > how old r u by the way? just askin > > aznseashell <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Cubing is geeky in that we devote an inordinate amount of time to a > hobby most people consider esoteric. "Geek" isn't so much an insult as > "nerd," which implies social ineptness. At least that's the way I see it. > > Shelley > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Since when is cubing geeky??? I've gotten that from everyone who knows > > I'm a cuber and went to the championships...I was like...there was > > only 1 person (and don't bother asking cuz I ain't saying) I would > > even begin to go near considering a geek there...so... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > I'm a female cuber. For the most part I only do 3x3 speedsolving and > > > blindfold solving. I also play with bigger cubes but not on a > > > competitive level yet. Keeping my blindfold times competitive is > > > enough for now. You'll also see me behind the judges/scramblers desk > > > at Caltech hosted tournaments. > > > > > > Personally, I'm not sure what about cubing makes it such a male > > > dominated sport. Girls can be just as geeky as guys. > > > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" > > > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey everyone > > > > > > > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > > > > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > > > > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > > > > in seeing what women think about this > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > -Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

1. About 4.75 years 2. Largely Fridrich 3. Best lucky solve: 16.66, best non lucky 17.2X, best average 21.XX 4. When I do something stupid, I find staring at it helps. I think it shames the brain into working. -Daniel

hey David, I think you should look into this thing called commutators. Its a very general principle and you can make algs of your own with it. A very good page to learn commutators is this http://grrroux.free.fr/begin/Begin.html Happy Cubing! Sachin. On 1/5/06, Mike Bennett <mikebennett_one@hotmail.com> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > Hey -- I'm having trouble interpretting Jason's notation; can > someone tell me what Jason means when he writes: > > > > (M'U)3 U (MU)3 U > > > > and > > > > (FR'F'R)(L'U)(RU'M') > > Then Permute with R2 d'(M'U2M) d'L2 > > > > Does the first one mean M'U three times in the same spot, then U, > then MU 3 times in the same spot, then U? > > > > The second one makes sense except I don't understand the logic > behind the grouping with parantheese... and why is d' in lowercase? > > > > Thanks! > > > > David > > M refers to the column between L and R. M turns similarly to L, and > M' is like an R. > > Grouping with parentheses helps to denote which moves should be done > together, either to demonstrate the effects of certain chunks, or for > ease of performing the moves themselves. > > The d' was lowercase because it means the two layers below U. > Lowercase letters generally refer to double layer turns. > > Also, Jason, why don't you perform that ELL as (rUR')(U'M)(URU'R')? > It only uses RUM moves and is super fast. The inverse is great, too: > (RUR'U)(M'U)(RU'r') > > -Mike > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

mm...me too :d Gilles. 2006/1/5, Koen Heltzel <allyourbase@...>: > It's amazing how much you get for the studio cubes! > I'll be bidding on the game cube :) > > - Base > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > I have some auctions running again, some end this Saturday, some next. > > I'll probably add some more soon. I'm turning the German game cube > > into a speedcube again, same with the Tomy Megaminx. The Speed-Domino > > is prepared already, but I want to play with it some more before I > > sell it. > > > > http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/ebay_2006_01_04.jpg > > http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZstefanQ5fpochmann > > > > The "normal" cube is a heavy (145 grams) old type cube with caps > > everywhere inside, probably late 1970s from Pentangle or Politechnika. > > The Calendar is German. All other puzzles are I think obvious from the > > group picture. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed that the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Their claim is that anything which has more than one solved state is not a puzzle. Their reason is that because the centres on a standard Rubik's Cube can have various different orientations and we still consider it 'solved', then it isn't a puzzle. By this definition only supercubes are puzzles. I thought the book sounded pretty crap. My friend didn't necessarily believe it either, but had told me about it because she knew I'd be interested in anything that mentioned cubes. Maybe the author was just trying to convince sudoku solvers that they are cooler than cubers?? ;) What does everyone else think? BTW, I consulted Wikipedia to see what it had to say on the matter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle (You'll see that the cube is almost the definition of puzzle in Wikipedia! Well, not quite, but you'll see what I mean if you follow this link.) Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are

The way we solve the cube, it's not a puzzle. The Rubik's Cube, when solved without being taught, is indeed a puzzle. The fact that the Rubik's Cube has 12 additional orientation combinations for the centers (did I get that number right) is pretty trivial. If they want to define puzzle that way, fine, we just draw some arrows. If anything, I think just citing the number of Rubik's Cube competitions compared to Sudoku competitions, and I think we can rest our case. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:21 AM, Jasmine Lee wrote: > Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed > that > the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Their claim is that anything which > has > more than one solved state is not a puzzle. Their reason is that > because > the centres on a standard Rubik's Cube can have various different > orientations and we still consider it 'solved', then it isn't a puzzle. > By this definition only supercubes are puzzles. > > I thought the book sounded pretty crap. My friend didn't necessarily > believe it either, but had told me about it because she knew I'd be > interested in anything that mentioned cubes. Maybe the author was just > trying to convince sudoku solvers that they are cooler than cubers?? ;) > > What does everyone else think? > > BTW, I consulted Wikipedia to see what it had to say on the matter: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle (You'll see that the cube is almost > the definition of puzzle in Wikipedia! Well, not quite, but you'll see > what I mean if you follow this link.) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > wherever you are > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

I have two Studio-3x3x3's and they really suck. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > It's amazing how much you get for the studio cubes! > I'll be bidding on the game cube :) > > - Base >

Hi :-) Yes i tend to agree. I have a few of the 2003 version made in russia. Maybe the ones made before or after (in Hungary) are a lot better. Anyhow it seems like too much work to make a studio cube which will turn as nicely as the black diy (from rubiks.com). And it doesn't have arched centers either. So yes, the studio cubes on sale at ebay seem overpriced ... I can however recommend studio 4x4x4 cubes :-) Have fun! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@y...> wrote: > > I have two Studio-3x3x3's and they really suck. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > > > It's amazing how much you get for the studio cubes! > > I'll be bidding on the game cube :) > > > > - Base > > >

I guess Fewest Moves is indeed a puzzle too. And any creation of new algorithms. I'm not sure what I'd say Speedsolving is. Not a puzzle, probably a sport in the same way that chess is. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Rubik's cube the 'puzzle' > The way we solve the cube, it's not a puzzle. The Rubik's Cube, when > solved without being taught, is indeed a puzzle. The fact that the > Rubik's Cube has 12 additional orientation combinations for the centers > (did I get that number right) is pretty trivial. If they want to > define puzzle that way, fine, we just draw some arrows. > > If anything, I think just citing the number of Rubik's Cube > competitions compared to Sudoku competitions, and I think we can rest > our case. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:21 AM, Jasmine Lee wrote: > >> Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed >> that >> the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Their claim is that anything which >> has >> more than one solved state is not a puzzle. Their reason is that >> because >> the centres on a standard Rubik's Cube can have various different >> orientations and we still consider it 'solved', then it isn't a puzzle. >> By this definition only supercubes are puzzles. >> >> I thought the book sounded pretty crap. My friend didn't necessarily >> believe it either, but had told me about it because she knew I'd be >> interested in anything that mentioned cubes. Maybe the author was just >> trying to convince sudoku solvers that they are cooler than cubers?? ;) >> >> What does everyone else think? >> >> BTW, I consulted Wikipedia to see what it had to say on the matter: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle (You'll see that the cube is almost >> the definition of puzzle in Wikipedia! Well, not quite, but you'll see >> what I mean if you follow this link.) >> >> Jasmine >> http://speedcuber.blogspot.com >> >> -- >> http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders >> wherever you are >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Can you do (M´U)*4 faster than(UM´)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Need help (basic) > Very nice commutator Per :-) > > Also, to flip edges on the LL, I recommend this : > (M'U) * 4 > It will flip the UB and the UL edge + the DB and DF edge. > Just do U moves to choose which edge you want to flip and then do it > again. (the down side will be solved) > > Gilles. > > 2006/1/4, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...>: > > Hi :-) > > > > Ah ok then i know what u mean :-) It's a 2-flip :-) > > > > My easy cure for that is this one (assumimg u know what the E move > > is): > > > > R' E' R2 E2 R' (flips first edge) > > U'............ (positions next edge) > > R E2 R2 E R... (flips second edge) > > U............. (restores U layer) > > > > To know what the E move is check here : > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/moves.html > > > > Good luck! > > > > -Per > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey. A few things. > > > > > > What I was talking about is > > http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg > > > > > > Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an > > H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to > > solve that? > > > > > > In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last > > layer: > > > F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) > > > F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) > > > L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) > > > F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) > > > F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) > > > > > > Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've > > looked but can't find anything good. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > David > > > > > > David Barr <david20708@g...> wrote: > > > What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? > > > What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve > > > these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? > > > > > > If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a > > > 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this > > > sequence: > > > > > > r' D l D' r D l' D' > > > > > > In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice > > that is > > > adjacent to the named face. > > > > > > On 1/4/06, David wrote: > > > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up > > with > > > > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > > > > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > > > > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences > > that I > > > > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation > > in 5-10 > > > > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > > > > > > > How do I solve this? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hi :-) I have heard those things before, that the cube is NOT a puzzle. The reason given wass that you simply follow steps that u know beforehand. That the cube is not a puzzle because it has several solved states sounds a bit lame: too theoretical and far fetched. Anyhow, maybe one could say that the cube is a puzzle only as long as u work it all out by urself, and that until the solving becomes "mechanical" it remains a puzzle and after that only a toy ? Whether the cube is a toy or a puzzle is not really so interesting. One can still have heaps of fun with it. It gets more intriguing the more u learn about it ;-) Cheers! -Per PS! The normal 3x3x3 cube has (4^6)/2 = 2048 "solved states". It's impossible to turn a singular center 90 degrees. > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed that > the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Their claim is that anything which has > more than one solved state is not a puzzle. Their reason is that because > the centres on a standard Rubik's Cube can have various different > orientations and we still consider it 'solved', then it isn't a puzzle. > By this definition only supercubes are puzzles. > > I thought the book sounded pretty crap. My friend didn't necessarily > believe it either, but had told me about it because she knew I'd be > interested in anything that mentioned cubes. Maybe the author was just > trying to convince sudoku solvers that they are cooler than cubers?? ;) > > What does everyone else think? > > BTW, I consulted Wikipedia to see what it had to say on the matter: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle (You'll see that the cube is almost > the definition of puzzle in Wikipedia! Well, not quite, but you'll see > what I mean if you follow this link.) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > wherever you are >

I just re-assembled 4x4x4 for the first time. Peter's little brother pulled his 4x4x4 apart the other day and assumed that I'd be able to fix it (a fair assumption since he knows I can solve it). Anyway, I told him that I've never re-assembled a 4x4x4 before, but I'd give it a go. I've put it back together now, but jeez, it was not easy! Solving the 4x4x4 is much easier then reassembling it!! Not that this should be a surprise though because solving a 3x3x3 the normal way is much faster and easier than reassembling it. Does anyone have a good site about ressembling the 4x4x4. If so, I'll send the link next time someone asks me about the 4x4x4! :) Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are

Didn´t you mean 2048? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Rubik's cube the 'puzzle' > The way we solve the cube, it's not a puzzle. The Rubik's Cube, when > solved without being taught, is indeed a puzzle. The fact that the > Rubik's Cube has 12 additional orientation combinations for the centers > (did I get that number right) is pretty trivial. If they want to > define puzzle that way, fine, we just draw some arrows. > > If anything, I think just citing the number of Rubik's Cube > competitions compared to Sudoku competitions, and I think we can rest > our case. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:21 AM, Jasmine Lee wrote: > > > Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed > > that > > the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Their claim is that anything which > > has > > more than one solved state is not a puzzle. Their reason is that > > because > > the centres on a standard Rubik's Cube can have various different > > orientations and we still consider it 'solved', then it isn't a puzzle. > > By this definition only supercubes are puzzles. > > > > I thought the book sounded pretty crap. My friend didn't necessarily > > believe it either, but had told me about it because she knew I'd be > > interested in anything that mentioned cubes. Maybe the author was just > > trying to convince sudoku solvers that they are cooler than cubers?? ;) > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > > BTW, I consulted Wikipedia to see what it had to say on the matter: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle (You'll see that the cube is almost > > the definition of puzzle in Wikipedia! Well, not quite, but you'll see > > what I mean if you follow this link.) > > > > Jasmine > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > > wherever you are > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

One way of impress is to talk to the audience when you solve the cube and describe what you are doing, and also look the audience in their eyes when executing algorithms ("Oh, he does it without looking at it..."). This will most probably slow down the solve a bit, but for a non-cubing audience, it does not matter if the solve is in 30 s or 40 s, or even slower. /Anders --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, adam kiss <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > thank you for the help, and im planning on doing it in the talent show, which isnt until may . so im hoping by that time i can do it in about 30 seconds, plus music. i think iy would be cool, and worth it. > > > Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@g...> wrote: Ofcourse its cool! > > > Just dont let people see u solving the cube for the whole time. Coz > staring at one thing which u dont understand for about 60 seconds is > boring :( > > So make ur slve a little more dramatic...like play some music in the > background or something...or like macky does, do it one handed while > fliping balls with the other hand at the same time. > > Do let us know how it goes. And im sure, if u perform with the cube, > atleast 2-3 ppl will get interested enuf to start cubing, and thats > good for the community. So think of it as social work :) > > Sachin. > > On 1/4/06, master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > Ok, im thinking about what to do... I'm thinking about cubing for my > > school talent show, if I get faster. But i don't know if people would > > think it's cool or would laugh at me? A lot of people think it's cool, > > but i don't know... What do you guys think? I need your help. Thanks a > > lot. > > > > - Mr. Kiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > >Not that this should be a surprise > though because solving a 3x3x3 the normal way is much faster and easier > than reassembling it. > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com Ahem... http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/spocc/other_stuff/videos/CubeAssembling16.wmv -Mike

thanks, ill remember that Anders Larsson <anders.larsson@...> wrote: One way of impress is to talk to the audience when you solve the cube and describe what you are doing, and also look the audience in their eyes when executing algorithms ("Oh, he does it without looking at it..."). This will most probably slow down the solve a bit, but for a non-cubing audience, it does not matter if the solve is in 30 s or 40 s, or even slower. /Anders --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, adam kiss <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > thank you for the help, and im planning on doing it in the talent show, which isnt until may . so im hoping by that time i can do it in about 30 seconds, plus music. i think iy would be cool, and worth it. > > > Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@g...> wrote: Ofcourse its cool! > > > Just dont let people see u solving the cube for the whole time. Coz > staring at one thing which u dont understand for about 60 seconds is > boring :( > > So make ur slve a little more dramatic...like play some music in the > background or something...or like macky does, do it one handed while > fliping balls with the other hand at the same time. > > Do let us know how it goes. And im sure, if u perform with the cube, > atleast 2-3 ppl will get interested enuf to start cubing, and thats > good for the community. So think of it as social work :) > > Sachin. > > On 1/4/06, master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > Ok, im thinking about what to do... I'm thinking about cubing for my > > school talent show, if I get faster. But i don't know if people would > > think it's cool or would laugh at me? A lot of people think it's cool, > > but i don't know... What do you guys think? I need your help. Thanks a > > lot. > > > > - Mr. Kiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh, no...more people bidding on the game cube...that's not good...but I'll win that one!! hehe... Good luck everyone... Pedro Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: mm...me too :d Gilles. 2006/1/5, Koen Heltzel <allyourbase@...>: > It's amazing how much you get for the studio cubes! > I'll be bidding on the game cube :) > > - Base > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > I have some auctions running again, some end this Saturday, some next. > > I'll probably add some more soon. I'm turning the German game cube > > into a speedcube again, same with the Tomy Megaminx. The Speed-Domino > > is prepared already, but I want to play with it some more before I > > sell it. > > > > http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/ebay_2006_01_04.jpg > > http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZstefanQ5fpochmann > > > > The "normal" cube is a heavy (145 grams) old type cube with caps > > everywhere inside, probably late 1970s from Pentangle or Politechnika. > > The Calendar is German. All other puzzles are I think obvious from the > > group picture. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think it doesn't change much, but I noticed that it's faster to do UM' rather than M'U for some reason :s Gilles. 2006/1/5, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...>: > Can you do (M´U)*4 faster than(UM´)? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@gmail.com> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Need help (basic) > > > > Very nice commutator Per :-) > > > > Also, to flip edges on the LL, I recommend this : > > (M'U) * 4 > > It will flip the UB and the UL edge + the DB and DF edge. > > Just do U moves to choose which edge you want to flip and then do it > > again. (the down side will be solved) > > > > Gilles. > > > > 2006/1/4, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...>: > > > Hi :-) > > > > > > Ah ok then i know what u mean :-) It's a 2-flip :-) > > > > > > My easy cure for that is this one (assumimg u know what the E move > > > is): > > > > > > R' E' R2 E2 R' (flips first edge) > > > U'............ (positions next edge) > > > R E2 R2 E R... (flips second edge) > > > U............. (restores U layer) > > > > > > To know what the E move is check here : > > > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/moves.html > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey. A few things. > > > > > > > > What I was talking about is > > > http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/untitled.jpg > > > > > > > > Also -- I encountered another pattern (top layer looks like an > > > H) which took me a while to solve.. anyone know an easier method to > > > solve that? > > > > > > > > In case it helps, I use the following algorithms for the last > > > layer: > > > > F U R U' R' F' (to solve the cross) > > > > F R U R' U' F' (to solve the cross) > > > > L' U' L U' L' U2 L U2 ( rotate 3 corners) > > > > F2 U R' L F2 R L' U F2 (edge switch) > > > > F2 U' R' L F2 R L' U' F2 (edge switch) > > > > > > > > Maybe there is a site with a big list of solutions for this? I've > > > looked but can't find anything good. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > David Barr <david20708@g...> wrote: > > > > What puzzle are you tring to solve? 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5? > > > > What method are you using to solve? When you are trying to solve > > > > these middle pieces, are all the other pieces on the cube solved? > > > > > > > > If you are trying to swap center pieces of two adjacent faces on a > > > > 4x4x4 or 5x5x5 without messing up anything else, you can use this > > > > sequence: > > > > > > > > r' D l D' r D l' D' > > > > > > > > In this case, lower case letters means to turn the inner slice > > > that is > > > > adjacent to the named face. > > > > > > > > On 1/4/06, David wrote: > > > > > I'm having trouble solving the last two pieces whenever I end up > > > with > > > > > two adjacent middle-pieces that are switched. Sometimes I have 2 > > > > > pieces which need to be switched, and sometiems I have two pieces > > > > > which need to be switched and rotated. I only have 6 sequences > > > that I > > > > > use for the last layer, and I can usually solve this situation > > > in 5-10 > > > > > minutes of randomly trying different combinations of sequences. > > > > > > > > > > How do I solve this? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

1. 6 months and a half 2. Fridrich 3. Best lucky: 12.11 : ) Best non-lucky: 14.05 Best average: 18.84 4. May the cube be with you Pedro Daniel Hayes <swedishlf@...> escreveu: 1. About 4.75 years 2. Largely Fridrich 3. Best lucky solve: 16.66, best non lucky 17.2X, best average 21.XX 4. When I do something stupid, I find staring at it helps. I think it shames the brain into working. -Daniel SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

- Sorry about the Notation. I forget that beginners don't know the Notation. SOmeone posted earlier to look on Gilles ROux page under beginner's method. David, your case is the 2nd example, so it's perfect. I don't know how you solve the cube, but I dont suggest learning the beginners method posted there. Just learn the ROUx method. Very little to memorize... M'U M'U M' U2 M U M U M U2 (M' is pushing, M is pulling) Jason Kovacic kovacic81@... Look under beginners method for your case and under 'my method' for how to cube and under intro for notation http://grrroux.free.fr/ -- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > Hey -- I'm having trouble interpretting Jason's notation; can > someone tell me what Jason means when he writes: > > > > (M'U)3 U (MU)3 U > > > > and > > > > (FR'F'R)(L'U)(RU'M') > > Then Permute with R2 d'(M'U2M) d'L2 > > > > Does the first one mean M'U three times in the same spot, then U, > then MU 3 times in the same spot, then U? > > > > The second one makes sense except I don't understand the logic > behind the grouping with parantheese... and why is d' in lowercase? > > > > Thanks! > > > > David > > M refers to the column between L and R. M turns similarly to L, and > M' is like an R. > > Grouping with parentheses helps to denote which moves should be done > together, either to demonstrate the effects of certain chunks, or for > ease of performing the moves themselves. > > The d' was lowercase because it means the two layers below U. > Lowercase letters generally refer to double layer turns. > > Also, Jason, why don't you perform that ELL as (rUR')(U'M)(URU'R')? > It only uses RUM moves and is super fast. The inverse is great, too: > (RUR'U)(M'U)(RU'r') > > -Mike >

There is something I wanted to do : At the english class, we had to talk for a few minutes about an object we use daily. Of course, I took the cube. But for some reason the teacher put me with another student and I had to talk about the iMac G5 :s However, what I had planned was this : Show it solved to the class at the beginning, describing it, and then showing them how to scramble it. And then I was supposed to talk about competitions, different approaches of the cube (FMC, speed, one handed,..) and solve it one-handed at the same time. (Because when I talk, especially to a large audience, I use my hands to speak) But thinking about it now, it'd have been a bit difficult. :s Have fun ! Gilles. 2006/1/5, adam kiss <master_bater_0000@yahoo.com>: > thanks, ill remember that > > > Anders Larsson <anders.larsson@ieee.org> wrote: One way of impress is to talk to the audience when you solve the > cube and describe what you are doing, and also look the audience in > their eyes when executing algorithms ("Oh, he does it without > looking at it..."). This will most probably slow down the solve a > bit, but for a non-cubing audience, it does not matter if the solve > is in 30 s or 40 s, or even slower. > > /Anders > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, adam kiss > <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > > > thank you for the help, and im planning on doing it in the talent > show, which isnt until may . so im hoping by that time i can do it > in about 30 seconds, plus music. i think iy would be cool, and worth > it. > > > > > > Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@g...> wrote: Ofcourse its cool! > > > > > > Just dont let people see u solving the cube for the whole time. > Coz > > staring at one thing which u dont understand for about 60 seconds > is > > boring :( > > > > So make ur slve a little more dramatic...like play some music in > the > > background or something...or like macky does, do it one handed > while > > fliping balls with the other hand at the same time. > > > > Do let us know how it goes. And im sure, if u perform with the > cube, > > atleast 2-3 ppl will get interested enuf to start cubing, and > thats > > good for the community. So think of it as social work :) > > > > Sachin. > > > > On 1/4/06, master_bater_0000 <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > > Ok, im thinking about what to do... I'm thinking about cubing > for my > > > school talent show, if I get faster. But i don't know if people > would > > > think it's cool or would laugh at me? A lot of people think > it's cool, > > > but i don't know... What do you guys think? I need your help. > Thanks a > > > lot. > > > > > > - Mr. Kiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Yeah, my two studio-cubes are also not that good. By the way, Anssi, I did a 36.00 average one-handed yesterday. Are you coming after me??? :-) /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@y...> wrote: > > I have two Studio-3x3x3's and they really suck.

HEllo everyone I had to post. Because of me, there are 6 more women that can independently solve the cube. My Mom, 2 sisters, 2 friends, and my 10 year old cousin (proudest achievement). I taught them F2L using 1 simple sequence (RURU'), its mirror and inverses(L'U'LU) (URU'R')(U'L'UL). 1. Solve Cross ( 2 step process, Orient on Opposite center) 2. Place Corners using (RUR'U')or(L'U'LU) 3. Place middle layer edges using (URU'R')y'(U'L'UL) Then I just taught them a simple 4 look, Petrus style approach 1. Orient Edges F(RUR'U') F' or F(URU'R')F' 2. Position Corners with Niklas (RU')(L'U)(R'U'L) 3. Orient Corners with Sunes and Antisunes 4. Position Edges (R2U)(RUR'U')(R'U')(R'UR') and R2 d'(M'U2M)d' L2 the Best part of all was that I taught all of them using no notation. Everything just had a name. There are really only 5 sequences to learn. 9 if you count inverses and mirrors. Sorry about big posting Jason Kovacic PS. I have also taught my Brother and my friend Troy. Everyone was given a choice of either Corners 1st or Cross (Demonstrated). Both males chose corners 1st 5 females chose cross 1 female learned both kind of interesting... -- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "master_bater_0000" <master_bater_0000@y...> wrote: > > Hey everyone > > i was just curious to see of there are any females that do this. I > have only seen males, but im sure there are women too. Please write > back, and preferable add me to your messenger, i would be interested > in seeing what women think about this > > thanks > > -Adam >

Hi :-) At Caltech the maths is not normal either ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@h...> wrote: > > Didn´t you mean 2048? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@i...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Rubik's cube the 'puzzle' > > > > The way we solve the cube, it's not a puzzle. The Rubik's Cube, when > > solved without being taught, is indeed a puzzle. The fact that the > > Rubik's Cube has 12 additional orientation combinations for the centers > > (did I get that number right) is pretty trivial. If they want to > > define puzzle that way, fine, we just draw some arrows. > > > > If anything, I think just citing the number of Rubik's Cube > > competitions compared to Sudoku competitions, and I think we can rest > > our case. > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:21 AM, Jasmine Lee wrote: > > > > > Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed > > > that > > > the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Their claim is that anything which > > > has > > > more than one solved state is not a puzzle. Their reason is that > > > because > > > the centres on a standard Rubik's Cube can have various different > > > orientations and we still consider it 'solved', then it isn't a puzzle. > > > By this definition only supercubes are puzzles. > > > > > > I thought the book sounded pretty crap. My friend didn't necessarily > > > believe it either, but had told me about it because she knew I'd be > > > interested in anything that mentioned cubes. Maybe the author was just > > > trying to convince sudoku solvers that they are cooler than cubers?? ;) > > > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > > > > BTW, I consulted Wikipedia to see what it had to say on the matter: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle (You'll see that the cube is almost > > > the definition of puzzle in Wikipedia! Well, not quite, but you'll see > > > what I mean if you follow this link.) > > > > > > Jasmine > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > > > wherever you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Its really good that you are teching so many people to cube. And its really interesting that most of the females choose cross over corners first. Do we have any psychologists on this group that can shed some light on this male-female discussion? I had a psychology course last year but i really didnt pay much attention to it and now i think i should have :( Sachin. > I have also taught my Brother and my friend Troy. > Everyone was given a choice of either Corners 1st or Cross (Demonstrated). > > Both males chose corners 1st > 5 females chose cross > 1 female learned both > > kind of interesting...

Hello everyone how many of you out there know multiple methods? On Speedcubing.com, the record is like 11 methods for under 3 minutes. What actually constitutes a separate method, and not just a variant? I think I know 6 systems for speedcubing... CFOP 25.48, 21.62 Xcross OLL PLL 23.75, 21.09 Petrus (3x2x2 Orient Edges) 26.12, (33.48) Varasano Corners 25.81, 30.12 Waterman Corners 31.20, 25.03 ROUX (19.69), 21.31 AVG 25.15 None of these times are spectacular, but i am happy with them. I'm gladmthat my Roux solves were the fastest, as it is my main method. Petrus is my slowest system; Expanding to 3x2x2 is hard for me. Howerver, I do use full color neutrality for petrus solves; It's is easier than it sounds. Happy Cubing Jason Kovacic Kovacic81@...

> But i still cannot understand as to what exactly makes cubing so male > dominated? Is there some genes in males which are more tuned to puzzle > solving or what? > > Sachin. > I think that's for the same reason [add your favorite sexist quote here]. Marco [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You're not going to answer his one in a hurry! Chess has had the same discussion for generations. The only thing I think you can say is that individually there is no reason for either sex to be better than the other (personally I'd say the Polgars - especially Judith - have demonstrated this in chess) even thought there might be good reasons - social or otherwise - for men to be more interested. (Go Jasmine!) Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Garbelini" <garbelini@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Are there any girls/ women that do this? >> But i still cannot understand as to what exactly makes cubing so male >> dominated? Is there some genes in males which are more tuned to puzzle >> solving or what? >> >> Sachin. >> > > > I think that's for the same reason [add your favorite sexist quote here]. > > > Marco > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Hi Jasmine, Was it an Eastheen 4x4x4 or a Rubik's 4x4x4? About 6 months ago my Eastheen 4x4x4 popped for the first time. Then I decided to disassemble all the pieces. I can remember that it was a nightmare for me to re-assemble it again. Probably it took me hours, also because I really didn't know how to start. Re-assembling a Rubik's 4x4x4 is much easier! For an Eastheen 4x4x4 you can maybe use this link: http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/eastsheen444.html Michael Fung (Dutch cuber) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > I just re-assembled 4x4x4 for the first time. Peter's little brother > pulled his 4x4x4 apart the other day and assumed that I'd be able to fix > it (a fair assumption since he knows I can solve it). Anyway, I told him > that I've never re-assembled a 4x4x4 before, but I'd give it a go. I've > put it back together now, but jeez, it was not easy! Solving the 4x4x4 > is much easier then reassembling it!! Not that this should be a surprise > though because solving a 3x3x3 the normal way is much faster and easier > than reassembling it. > > Does anyone have a good site about ressembling the 4x4x4. If so, I'll > send the link next time someone asks me about the 4x4x4! :) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > wherever you are >

I thought I'd share something with you guys: I just received my DIY rubiks.com cube (black) and guess what... there were no screws with it (only rivets)! Does someone know what type of screws I should use (any reference)? Sven

Hi :-) I also have a page for that :-) http://vakt.idi.ntnu.no/apartment/EastSheen_4x4x4.htm The stickers look better too ;-) Have fun ! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@y...> wrote: > > Hi Jasmine, > Was it an Eastheen 4x4x4 or a Rubik's 4x4x4? > > About 6 months ago my Eastheen 4x4x4 popped for the first time. Then > I decided to disassemble all the pieces. I can remember that it was > a nightmare for me to re-assemble it again. Probably it took me > hours, also because I really didn't know how to start. Re- assembling > a Rubik's 4x4x4 is much easier! > > For an Eastheen 4x4x4 you can maybe use this link: > http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/eastsheen444.html > > Michael Fung (Dutch cuber) > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" > <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > I just re-assembled 4x4x4 for the first time. Peter's little > brother > > pulled his 4x4x4 apart the other day and assumed that I'd be able > to fix > > it (a fair assumption since he knows I can solve it). Anyway, I > told him > > that I've never re-assembled a 4x4x4 before, but I'd give it a go. > I've > > put it back together now, but jeez, it was not easy! Solving the > 4x4x4 > > is much easier then reassembling it!! Not that this should be a > surprise > > though because solving a 3x3x3 the normal way is much faster and > easier > > than reassembling it. > > > > Does anyone have a good site about ressembling the 4x4x4. If so, > I'll > > send the link next time someone asks me about the 4x4x4! :) > > > > Jasmine > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > > wherever you are > > >

Hi :-) I would complain and ask them send some for free :-) Or, bring the parts u need to a hardware store and find the best machine screw urself :-) U really only need the core/spindle and 1 center for this. Possibly one spring also ... Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I thought I'd share something with you guys: > > I just received my DIY rubiks.com cube (black) and guess what... there > were no screws with it (only rivets)! > > Does someone know what type of screws I should use (any reference)? > > Sven >

Even i had the same problem. The thing is Ron gave me one of his used Rubik 4x4 and i practised it like hell that night. And sure enuf, pieces kept popping out. But in one solve, the whole cube totally crumbled in my hands. So i got a good look at the mechanism and tried to reassemble it. At that time i had a friend with me in my room so i asked him to hold the 4x4 for me while i put the pieces in. But he thought it would be much more fun to watch me fight over it. So there i was, trying to hold the incomplete 4x4 in one hand and searching for pieces with the other hand while trying to dodge from my friend trying to hit the unstable structure with cubies :) But finally it was over and i was very happy that i could do it. Now im waiting for my 5x5 to arrive so that i may pry it open to see its mechanism. Sachin. On 1/5/06, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > Hi :-) > > I also have a page for that :-) > > http://vakt.idi.ntnu.no/apartment/EastSheen_4x4x4.htm > > The stickers look better too ;-) > > Have fun ! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mmwfung1985" > <mmwfung1985@y...> wrote: > > > > Hi Jasmine, > > Was it an Eastheen 4x4x4 or a Rubik's 4x4x4? > > > > About 6 months ago my Eastheen 4x4x4 popped for the first time. > Then > > I decided to disassemble all the pieces. I can remember that it > was > > a nightmare for me to re-assemble it again. Probably it took me > > hours, also because I really didn't know how to start. Re- > assembling > > a Rubik's 4x4x4 is much easier! > > > > For an Eastheen 4x4x4 you can maybe use this link: > > http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/eastsheen444.html > > > > Michael Fung (Dutch cuber) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" > > <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > > > I just re-assembled 4x4x4 for the first time. Peter's little > > brother > > > pulled his 4x4x4 apart the other day and assumed that I'd be > able > > to fix > > > it (a fair assumption since he knows I can solve it). Anyway, I > > told him > > > that I've never re-assembled a 4x4x4 before, but I'd give it a > go. > > I've > > > put it back together now, but jeez, it was not easy! Solving the > > 4x4x4 > > > is much easier then reassembling it!! Not that this should be a > > surprise > > > though because solving a 3x3x3 the normal way is much faster and > > easier > > > than reassembling it. > > > > > > Does anyone have a good site about ressembling the 4x4x4. If so, > > I'll > > > send the link next time someone asks me about the 4x4x4! :) > > > > > > Jasmine > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > > > wherever you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g. ..> wrote: > > Sorry if there was already a post like this. > > Post: > 1. how long youve been cubing/speedcubing > 2. method you use > 3. records / averages > 4. anything else I think a mailing list is a terrible place for this... better check out the "Speedcuber Profiles" section on Dan's website: http://cubestation.co.uk/ Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@g...> wrote: > > Its really good that you are teching so many people to cube. Yeah, really good to steal their opportunity to find a solution on their own and be proud of their achievement. Cheers! Stefan

Gah, you guys are just unable to treat them right :-) Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@s...> wrote: > > Yeah, my two studio-cubes are also not that good. > > By the way, Anssi, I did a 36.00 average one-handed yesterday. Are you > coming after me??? :-) > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Anssi Vanhala" > <mahtianssi@y...> wrote: > > > > I have two Studio-3x3x3's and they really suck. >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed that > the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Ignorant idiot, if you ask me (the author, not your friend). Cheers! Stefan

It's ok, he's not a math major Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > At Caltech the maths is not normal either ;-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@h...> wrote: > > > > Didn´t you mean 2048? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@i...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Rubik's cube the 'puzzle' > > > > > > > The way we solve the cube, it's not a puzzle. The Rubik's Cube, > when > > > solved without being taught, is indeed a puzzle. The fact that > the > > > Rubik's Cube has 12 additional orientation combinations for the > centers > > > (did I get that number right) is pretty trivial. If they want > to > > > define puzzle that way, fine, we just draw some arrows. > > > > > > If anything, I think just citing the number of Rubik's Cube > > > competitions compared to Sudoku competitions, and I think we can > rest > > > our case. > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > MSC #631 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:21 AM, Jasmine Lee wrote: > > > > > > > Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which > claimed > > > > that > > > > the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Their claim is that anything > which > > > > has > > > > more than one solved state is not a puzzle. Their reason is > that > > > > because > > > > the centres on a standard Rubik's Cube can have various > different > > > > orientations and we still consider it 'solved', then it isn't > a puzzle. > > > > By this definition only supercubes are puzzles. > > > > > > > > I thought the book sounded pretty crap. My friend didn't > necessarily > > > > believe it either, but had told me about it because she knew > I'd be > > > > interested in anything that mentioned cubes. Maybe the author > was just > > > > trying to convince sudoku solvers that they are cooler than > cubers?? ;) > > > > > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > > > > > > BTW, I consulted Wikipedia to see what it had to say on the > matter: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle (You'll see that the cube > is almost > > > > the definition of puzzle in Wikipedia! Well, not quite, but > you'll see > > > > what I mean if you follow this link.) > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and > folders > > > > wherever you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > OK, so...I got 750 KB, with both pictures...that work??? > > http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21DQ7NANA8IHA2S087HJG2LD6M > > Craig Haha, you turned it into a video... Dude, isn't that harder than just resizing it as pictures? What operating system do you use? In Windows XP I do this: double-click it CTRL-E CTRL-K 20 TAB 20 ENTER ALT-F4 ENTER That takes about 5-10 seconds. And the result is this 37 kb picture: http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/craig.jpg And to answer your question: There's nothing mysterious about it. It's extremely easy to open and close it without damaging it at all. Cheers! Stefan

The Ctrl-K isn't working for me...when I press Ctrl-E, it opens the picture on Paint, and there's no option there with ctrl-K... Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > OK, so...I got 750 KB, with both pictures...that work??? > > http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21DQ7NANA8IHA2S087HJG2LD6M > > Craig Haha, you turned it into a video... Dude, isn't that harder than just resizing it as pictures? What operating system do you use? In Windows XP I do this: double-click it CTRL-E CTRL-K 20 TAB 20 ENTER ALT-F4 ENTER That takes about 5-10 seconds. And the result is this 37 kb picture: http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/craig.jpg And to answer your question: There's nothing mysterious about it. It's extremely easy to open and close it without damaging it at all. Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The thing is with this though, The puzzle was in a display...hard to explain, but wasn't in a shop. The people that worked there were just people trying to make money...and I don't think it was tampered with. Someone mentioned before that they thought that maybe it had been on display and then someone put it back in so the stickers wouldn't curl...not likely, cuz it would walk away too easily, and if it was on display, the box would have probably been thrown away as the company wouldn't want to sell a used item. Craig

Stefan, The package was still sealed like any other package you would get, and when I took the cube out it didn't look or feel like anyone had tampered with it...but w/e...it was intriguing... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > OK, so...I got 750 KB, with both pictures...that work??? > > > > http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21DQ7NANA8IHA2S087HJG2LD6M > > > > Craig > > Haha, you turned it into a video... Dude, isn't that harder than just > resizing it as pictures? What operating system do you use? In Windows > XP I do this: > > double-click it > CTRL-E > CTRL-K > 20 TAB 20 ENTER > ALT-F4 ENTER > > That takes about 5-10 seconds. And the result is this 37 kb picture: > http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/craig.jpg > > And to answer your question: There's nothing mysterious about it. It's > extremely easy to open and close it without damaging it at all. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > > The Ctrl-K isn't working for me...when I press Ctrl-E, it opens the picture on Paint, and there's no option there with ctrl-K... Hmm, then maybe you have a different shortcut for "image"->"scale" (or similar... I have the German edition). Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Stefan, > > The package was still sealed like any other package you would get, and > when I took the cube out it didn't look or feel like anyone had > tampered with it...but w/e...it was intriguing... Hmm... "sealed" ?!? What do you mean, since when are they sealed? Here you can see a sealed Magic: http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/craig2.jpg Cheers! Stefan

Man, you like to interpret my words in many ways don't you...:p its cool...you should...by sealed I mean the "glue" like substance that keeps it closed was still on there... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Stefan, > > > > The package was still sealed like any other package you would get, > and > > when I took the cube out it didn't look or feel like anyone had > > tampered with it...but w/e...it was intriguing... > > Hmm... "sealed" ?!? What do you mean, since when are they sealed? Here > you can see a sealed Magic: > > http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/craig2.jpg > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Man, you like to interpret my words in many ways don't you...:p its > cool...you should...by sealed I mean the "glue" like substance that > keeps it closed was still on there... I think I knew what you meant. But I bet there's no glue at the places where you should open it. Cheers! Stefan

Well, if you want to wait a few days, I'll get mine finished. :) Peter Greenwood www.geocities.com/pjgat09/ --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > I just re-assembled 4x4x4 for the first time. Peter's little brother > pulled his 4x4x4 apart the other day and assumed that I'd be able to fix > it (a fair assumption since he knows I can solve it). Anyway, I told him > that I've never re-assembled a 4x4x4 before, but I'd give it a go. I've > put it back together now, but jeez, it was not easy! Solving the 4x4x4 > is much easier then reassembling it!! Not that this should be a surprise > though because solving a 3x3x3 the normal way is much faster and easier > than reassembling it. > > Does anyone have a good site about ressembling the 4x4x4. If so, I'll > send the link next time someone asks me about the 4x4x4! :) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > wherever you are >

Okay, because we (most of us) learned a solution, the cube is more of a sport than a puzzle but every cross I make is its own little puzzle as well as a lot of the F2L although there are portions of it that are pure pattern recognition/execution. --Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" > <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed > that > > the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. > > Ignorant idiot, if you ask me (the author, not your friend). > > Cheers! > Stefan >

I got a white DIY for X mas and it didn't come with screws either...or rivets! nothing, but I happened to find 6 screws hanging arouns with my cube stuff. Rubik's seems rather inconsistent with their DIY kits. I've seen many different kernels, screw, washers, etc. --Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I thought I'd share something with you guys: > > I just received my DIY rubiks.com cube (black) and guess what... there > were no screws with it (only rivets)! > > Does someone know what type of screws I should use (any reference)? > > Sven >

What program are you opening the photos in? (windows default is pic & fax viwer right?) The fastest way I've found to resize is in photoshop and that's not very fast. --Chris > double-click it > CTRL-E > CTRL-K > 20 TAB 20 ENTER > ALT-F4 ENTER > > That takes about 5-10 seconds. And the result is this 37 kb picture: > http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/craig.jpg > > And to answer your question: There's nothing mysterious about it. It's > extremely easy to open and close it without damaging it at all. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Stefan -- Do you have a "buy it now" option, either ebay-run or self-run? For example, I'd like to get a megaminx and a black magic, but I'm not a big ebay user. If I said "I'll send you cash/check for <some_reasonable_amount> plus shipping costs" would you just sell em to me (or whoever asks) rather than have the ebay auction? Or, do you do well enough on the auctions that it's worth it to run them? curious, yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > I have some auctions running again, some end this Saturday, some next. > I'll probably add some more soon. I'm turning the German game cube > into a speedcube again, same with the Tomy Megaminx. The Speed- Domino > is prepared already, but I want to play with it some more before I > sell it. > > http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/ebay_2006_01_04.jpg > http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZstefanQ5fpochmann > > The "normal" cube is a heavy (145 grams) old type cube with caps > everywhere inside, probably late 1970s from Pentangle or Politechnika. > The Calendar is German. All other puzzles are I think obvious from the > group picture. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

You should consider downloading IrfanView for basic image editing. It loads fast and does a great job... and it's free! On 1/5/06, Chris Sz... <s2chris2@...> wrote: > > What program are you opening the photos in? (windows default is pic & > fax viwer right?) The fastest way I've found to resize is in photoshop > and that's not very fast. > > --Chris > > > double-click it > > CTRL-E > > CTRL-K > > 20 TAB 20 ENTER > > ALT-F4 ENTER > > > > That takes about 5-10 seconds. And the result is this 37 kb picture: > > http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/craig.jpg > > > > And to answer your question: There's nothing mysterious about it. It's > > extremely easy to open and close it without damaging it at all. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw> Free > puzzle inlay games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> Educational > game and puzzle<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ> Word > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> Kid > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> Puzzle > games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There is not much I can say except....it's very impressive. Congratulations for all this, for your XCross solves, is there any other technique than "advanced preinspection" or you build a pair while the cross is not yet finished ? Congrautlations again, Gilles. 2006/1/5, kovacic81 <kovacic81@yahoo.com>: > Hello everyone > > how many of you out there know multiple methods? On Speedcubing.com, > the record is like 11 methods for under 3 minutes. > What actually constitutes a separate method, and not just a variant? > I think I know 6 systems for speedcubing... > > CFOP 25.48, 21.62 > Xcross OLL PLL 23.75, 21.09 > Petrus (3x2x2 Orient Edges) 26.12, (33.48) > Varasano Corners 25.81, 30.12 > Waterman Corners 31.20, 25.03 > ROUX (19.69), 21.31 > > AVG 25.15 > > None of these times are spectacular, but i am happy with them. I'm > gladmthat my Roux solves were the fastest, as it is my main method. > > Petrus is my slowest system; Expanding to 3x2x2 is hard for me. > Howerver, I do use full color neutrality for petrus solves; It's is > easier than it sounds. > > > > Happy Cubing > > Jason Kovacic > Kovacic81@... > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

in the english version it's CTRL-W 2006/1/5, Pedro <pedrosino1@...>: > The Ctrl-K isn't working for me...when I press Ctrl-E, it opens the picture on Paint, and there's no option there with ctrl-K... > > Pedro > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > OK, so...I got 750 KB, with both pictures...that work??? > > > > http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21DQ7NANA8IHA2S087HJG2LD6M > > > > Craig > > Haha, you turned it into a video... Dude, isn't that harder than just > resizing it as pictures? What operating system do you use? In Windows > XP I do this: > > double-click it > CTRL-E > CTRL-K > 20 TAB 20 ENTER > ALT-F4 ENTER > > That takes about 5-10 seconds. And the result is this 37 kb picture: > http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/craig.jpg > > And to answer your question: There's nothing mysterious about it. It's > extremely easy to open and close it without damaging it at all. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I hate 2x2s...mine crumbled in my hands in the middle of a solve...and I ca't get it back together even with using Peter's page...these things hate me... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Well, if you want to wait a few days, I'll get mine finished. :) > > Peter Greenwood > www.geocities.com/pjgat09/ > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" > <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > I just re-assembled 4x4x4 for the first time. Peter's little brother > > pulled his 4x4x4 apart the other day and assumed that I'd be able to fix > > it (a fair assumption since he knows I can solve it). Anyway, I told him > > that I've never re-assembled a 4x4x4 before, but I'd give it a go. I've > > put it back together now, but jeez, it was not easy! Solving the 4x4x4 > > is much easier then reassembling it!! Not that this should be a surprise > > though because solving a 3x3x3 the normal way is much faster and easier > > than reassembling it. > > > > Does anyone have a good site about ressembling the 4x4x4. If so, I'll > > send the link next time someone asks me about the 4x4x4! :) > > > > Jasmine > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > > wherever you are > > >

Does anyone know how I could obtain one of the hot pepper cubes that were given away at the WC05 after-party? I was there, but was evidently busy stuffing my face with food when those cubes were handed out. These are the cubes from the Japanese snack company Tohato, and they picture a jack-o-lantern hot pepper on each face. Apparently they are fairly challenging since each face uses the same scheme. I've seen videos of Yuki Hayashi and Katsuyuki Konishi solving it, and they take considerably longer than their normal solving times! Anyway, I've checked on the Tohato site and eBay but I haven't seen any for sale. If someone has an extra, or wants to sell theirs, please let me know. Thanks! Chris Pelley P.S. The week before WC05, I had an idea for a "Rubik's Magic Pumpkin" puzzle that would be similar to the Homer Head or Darth Maul 2x2 cubes. But the idea I had was that when it was in the solved position, the eyes of the pumpkin would light up or something like that. So it would be like a jack-o-lantern cube. So when I spotted the Tohato cubes at WC05, I was quite surprised! I guess it's not that big of a coincidence since WC05 was the week after Halloween.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed that > the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Their claim is that anything which has > more than one solved state is not a puzzle. Their reason is that because > the centres on a standard Rubik's Cube can have various different > orientations and we still consider it 'solved', then it isn't a puzzle. > By this definition only supercubes are puzzles. > That's just a matter of semantics but anyway by this definition you can just say you're solving a puzzle on the quotient space of the supercube group. : ) (Then two cubes would be identified if they only differed in centre orientation so it would be a puzzle in that sense, albeit only for the 2x2x2 and 3x3x3.) I agree to a large extent with what Tyson said (about it not being a puzzle, at least for most of the people here). At least in the sense it is not a puzzle to solve it - but in the sense of the of the theory behind it, there's still a lot to know. Maybe that's not a puzzle though. > I thought the book sounded pretty crap. My friend didn't necessarily > believe it either, but had told me about it because she knew I'd be > interested in anything that mentioned cubes. Maybe the author was just > trying to convince sudoku solvers that they are cooler than cubers?? ;) > > What does everyone else think? > > BTW, I consulted Wikipedia to see what it had to say on the matter: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle (You'll see that the cube is almost > the definition of puzzle in Wikipedia! Well, not quite, but you'll see > what I mean if you follow this link.) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > wherever you are >

What I described was starting in Windows Explorer. Double-click brings you to pic&fax viewer, ctrl-e opens it in Paint, ctrl-k opens the scale dialog, 20-tab-20-enter is scaling, alt-f4-enter is to close and save. Like said, that takes 5 (small picture) to 10 (huge picture) seconds and most of that time is wasted waiting for the computer. For scaling multiple images you can use the ImageResizer PowerToy: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys. mspx Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Sz..." <s2chris2@h...> wrote: > > What program are you opening the photos in? (windows default is pic & > fax viwer right?) The fastest way I've found to resize is in photoshop > and that's not very fast. > > --Chris > > > double-click it > > CTRL-E > > CTRL-K > > 20 TAB 20 ENTER > > ALT-F4 ENTER > > > > That takes about 5-10 seconds. And the result is this 37 kb picture: > > http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/craig.jpg > > > > And to answer your question: There's nothing mysterious about it. It's > > extremely easy to open and close it without damaging it at all. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@y.. .> wrote: > > Do you have a "buy it now" option, either ebay-run or self-run? No, sorry, no buy-it-now. One thing I really like about Ebay is that I don't have to make up a price, I can let the market decide and thus get a fair market price. Selling directly only results in me feeling bad, either because I'm ripping someone off or because I could get more in an auction. In the past I've also used a reserve price a few times, I started it because I panicked when a valuable puzzle didn't have any bid after 2 days or so. But now I don't want to do that anymore, it only distorts the picture and I want to let the market decide. And in many cases I'm curious to know what an puzzle is worth, i.e. what it is worth to other people, for example those that I prepare for speedsolving, but also the rare ones. Cheers! Stefan

In the same way that a Rubik's cube is a puzzle, so also is a Sudoku. Just as you learn an algorithm to accomplish a certain task on the cube, you learn to "cross-hatch" or draw lines on a Sudoku to limit a number to a square. In any puzzle you must use some algorithm, very easy and unnoticable or sequential and essential as for the cube, to accomplish tasks. In a jigsaw puzzle, I begin with the corners (an algorithm that helps me figure out the outline) and I search the unplaced pieces for one that matches the picture and cutouts (another algorithm, even though it is an obvious one). I dont think just because there exists a large number of algorithms to accomplish different tasks that the cube can no longer be called a puzzle. The puzzle is figuring out which algorithm to use in a certain situation. If that holds, even speedsolving is still a form of puzzle-solving. Regardless, the first step for solving the cube (like making a cross) is still a puzzle. Cheers, Robert Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@i...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Rubik's cube the 'puzzle' > > > > The way we solve the cube, it's not a puzzle. The Rubik's Cube, when > > solved without being taught, is indeed a puzzle. The fact that the > > Rubik's Cube has 12 additional orientation combinations for the centers > > (did I get that number right) is pretty trivial. If they want to > > define puzzle that way, fine, we just draw some arrows. > > > > If anything, I think just citing the number of Rubik's Cube > > competitions compared to Sudoku competitions, and I think we can rest > > our case. > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:21 AM, Jasmine Lee wrote: > > > > > Today a friend showed me a passage in her Sudoku book which claimed > > > that > > > the Rubik's Cube is NOT a puzzle. Their claim is that anything which > > > has > > > more than one solved state is not a puzzle. Their reason is that > > > because > > > the centres on a standard Rubik's Cube can have various different > > > orientations and we still consider it 'solved', then it isn't a puzzle. > > > By this definition only supercubes are puzzles. > > > > > > I thought the book sounded pretty crap. My friend didn't necessarily > > > believe it either, but had told me about it because she knew I'd be > > > interested in anything that mentioned cubes. Maybe the author was just > > > trying to convince sudoku solvers that they are cooler than cubers?? ;) > > > > > > What does everyone else think? --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I just scrambled randomly and noticed I didn't regrip. Put - right thumb on F center - right middle finger on B center - left thumb on F sticker of FDL - left middle finger on B sticker of BLD Now you can for example do (r' u' r U L f' L') easily without regripping. But it just scrambles the cube. Can anyone find a short useful no-regrip-alg with this grip or some other? The triple you hold with your left hand should never be destroyed. Cheers! Stefan

Just something neat I found and expanded on realy... http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cubes1lg.swf I extracted the original from the loader of a cubing game. I made it bigger. I made the entire cube spin in different directions for random amounts of time and then switch. I also made it turn different sides more randomly.

Hey -- Jason, you said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend just going to http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and learning the method there? I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions in the past few days). My method is: -Solve first 2 layers -Solve the cross of the bottom layer -Get the LL corners in the right place -Get the LL corners rotated correctly -Switch any incorrect corners I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced methods. I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 minutes. What are the most common methods that you guys use, how difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? thanks!! -David kovacic81 <kovacic81@...> wrote: - Sorry about the Notation. I forget that beginners don't know the Notation. SOmeone posted earlier to look on Gilles ROux page under beginner's method. David, your case is the 2nd example, so it's perfect. I don't know how you solve the cube, but I dont suggest learning the beginners method posted there. Just learn the ROUx method. Very little to memorize... M'U M'U M' U2 M U M U M U2 (M' is pushing, M is pulling) Jason Kovacic kovacic81@... Look under beginners method for your case and under 'my method' for how to cube and under intro for notation http://grrroux.free.fr/ -- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > Hey -- I'm having trouble interpretting Jason's notation; can > someone tell me what Jason means when he writes: > > > > (M'U)3 U (MU)3 U > > > > and > > > > (FR'F'R)(L'U)(RU'M') > > Then Permute with R2 d'(M'U2M) d'L2 > > > > Does the first one mean M'U three times in the same spot, then U, > then MU 3 times in the same spot, then U? > > > > The second one makes sense except I don't understand the logic > behind the grouping with parantheese... and why is d' in lowercase? > > > > Thanks! > > > > David > > M refers to the column between L and R. M turns similarly to L, and > M' is like an R. > > Grouping with parentheses helps to denote which moves should be done > together, either to demonstrate the effects of certain chunks, or for > ease of performing the moves themselves. > > The d' was lowercase because it means the two layers below U. > Lowercase letters generally refer to double layer turns. > > Also, Jason, why don't you perform that ELL as (rUR')(U'M)(URU'R')? > It only uses RUM moves and is super fast. The inverse is great, too: > (RUR'U)(M'U)(RU'r') > > -Mike > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > Just something neat I found and expanded on realy... > > http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cubes1lg.swf > > > I extracted the original from the loader of a cubing game. I made it > bigger. I made the entire cube spin in different directions for random > amounts of time and then switch. I also made it turn different sides > more randomly. > Original cube by EvilTron, I take no credit for the work. I only made it spin a bit differently.

Just received my white DIY cube kit. Flat centers contrary to the image on the site (as discussed earlier). One suprise though was it came with 25th anniversary stickers! Can't wait to detail it out and get it assembled. Eric

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Sachin Shirwalkar > <sachinss@g...> wrote: > > > > Its really good that you are teching so many people to cube. > > Yeah, really good to steal their opportunity to find a solution on > their own and be proud of their achievement. > > Cheers! > Stefan > "and Sarcasm... is like a 2nd language to me, so I'm right there with you." -ANdy I didn't think that my 10 year old cousin would figure out the cube on her own. So I taught her. She payed attention and learned in 2 days. Only 9 different sequences. No Notation. I am proud of her for learning the cube. I am proud of myself for teaching her, as well as 5 others, with 2 different approaches and no written notation. "CUbe it Foward!" jAson koVacic

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > I didn't think that my 10 year old cousin would figure out the cube on > her own. You *thought* so. And now we (and more importantly she) will never know. I myself am quite sad I'll never know whether I would've been able to find a solution myself, if I remember correctly I got a solution with my first cube when I was about 6 and sadly nobody encouraged me to try it on my own first. Why waste the opportunity? Recently a friend of mine became interested and found a solution himself. Took him two months, and it wasn't the most efficient method, but he did it. He resisted getting any help, I resisted giving any help. That's what *I* am proud of. But yeah, I know I'm quite lonely with that attitude. Stefan

I first solved the cube when I was 10 years old. I only worked out the first two layers by myself, then I read a book for the last layer. I'm quite sure that I would not have been able to work out the last layer by myself at that age. I'm not saying it isn't possible at that age, just that I don't think I could have done it! So I'm not too bothered by the fact that I didn't work it all out on my own. This makes me wonder… of the people who did initially work out an entire solution on their own (regardless of how inefficient it might have been), how old were you at the time? Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:32:44 -0000, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> said: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > I didn't think that my 10 year old cousin would figure out the > cube > on > > her own. > You *thought* so. And now we (and more importantly she) will > never > know. I myself am quite sad I'll never know whether I would've > been > able to find a solution myself, if I remember correctly I got a > solution with my first cube when I was about 6 and sadly nobody > encouraged me to try it on my own first. > Why waste the opportunity? > Recently a friend of mine became interested and found a solution > himself. Took him two months, and it wasn't the most efficient > method, > but he did it. He resisted getting any help, I resisted giving > any > help. That's what *I* am proud of. But yeah, I know I'm quite > lonely > with that attitude. > Stefan -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again

Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it now would still take over a minute... any other thoughts? And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try to learn any of the hardest methods first. Let me know.. thanks! David ----------------------- thebunze wrote: with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend just going to http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and learning the method there? I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions in the past few days). My method is: -Solve first 2 layers -Solve the cross of the bottom layer -Get the LL corners in the right place -Get the LL corners rotated correctly -Switch any incorrect corners I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced methods. I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 minutes. What are the most common methods that you guys use, how difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? thanks!! -David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

um... i just ordered one, it gets here tomorrow. tell me if its good or not, but i was hoping for arched centers, less pops. but w/e i guess it was worth it Eric <maier@...> wrote: Just received my white DIY cube kit. Flat centers contrary to the image on the site (as discussed earlier). One suprise though was it came with 25th anniversary stickers! Can't wait to detail it out and get it assembled. Eric --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

When I first got a cube (when i was 7 or so), The furthest I could get was to orient all of the white pieces to the white center. " I got the white side!" I didnt know that there were 20 pieces; 8 corners and 12 edges. I had no idea that the pieces all had to be in a certain place. I didn't even realize at that point that the centers were stationary. I didn't understand the opposite colors. I learned a corners 1st method by Jeff Varasano from a book. So he taught me in esscence. i don't think that I would have gotten it on my own. My First Big Alg [(R'<)(R2 >>) (R' U2 R) (>> R2 > R) U2] My 10 year old cousin got a cube last year for Xmas and has been working on it with little success for a year. I promise, i didn't deprive her of anything by teaching her. I do agree w/ you, Stephan, about learning things on your own. I have tried to do this as much as possible with F2L, but sometimes seeing a new shorter way to do a Pair will help out. I defenitely don't believe in memorizing written sequences for F2L. Thats why I like Gille's Method. very little Memorization. Lots of intuition. And lots of (R r U M) moves, of course. Jason k I first solved the cube when I was 10 years old. I only worked out the > first two layers by myself, then I read a book for the last layer. I'm > quite sure that I would not have been able to work out the last layer by > myself at that age. I'm not saying it isn't possible at that age, just > that I don't think I could have done it! So I'm not too bothered by the > fact that I didn't work it all out on my own. > > This makes me wonder… of the people who did initially work out an entire > solution on their own (regardless of how inefficient it might have > been), how old were you at the time? > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:32:44 -0000, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> > said: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > > > I didn't think that my 10 year old cousin would figure out the > > cube > > on > > > her own. > > You *thought* so. And now we (and more importantly she) will > > never > > know. I myself am quite sad I'll never know whether I would've > > been > > able to find a solution myself, if I remember correctly I got a > > solution with my first cube when I was about 6 and sadly nobody > > encouraged me to try it on my own first. > > Why waste the opportunity? > > Recently a friend of mine became interested and found a solution > > himself. Took him two months, and it wasn't the most efficient > > method, > > but he did it. He resisted getting any help, I resisted giving > > any > > help. That's what *I* am proud of. But yeah, I know I'm quite > > lonely > > with that attitude. > > Stefan > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and > love email again >

I was around 19 when i took the cube for solving it seriously. I kept working on it for a whole 3 months(i had my summer holidays going on) ... i only saw one algo on the net to flip two corners but then i realised that this is cheating so i started to work on my own solution. I did somethinglike a corners first method with solving the two opposite layers and then doing the middle layer at the end, I remember very vividly, i was in the train once when i "discovered" the sune algorithm. I was just playing around with the corner edge pair and i thougt of putting them a little differently and then suddenly the corners were all oriented! I was very proud of myself that time. I had gotten really stuck in the last two edge pairs. I just couldnt orient them correctly. So when one day when i was playing with the cube, the pieces popped out, I just put them back together and solved them. Then i realised that i had put the btm layer edge wrongly...so i put it back correctly adn then solved it. But in the mean time the two middle layer pieces had oriented them correctly! So i gave it some thought and my method at that time was to purposefully incorrectly orient the btm layer edge piece and them do a middle layer turn and again solve it. Now that i look back upon it, it seems to be just horribly inefficient, but i was still very proud of myself :) Btw ppl dont hijack the topic...lets stick to the original thread :) Sachin. On 1/6/06, kovacic81 <kovacic81@yahoo.com> wrote: > > When I first got a cube (when i was 7 or so), The furthest I could get > was to orient all of the white pieces to the white center. " I got > the white side!" > > I didnt know that there were 20 pieces; 8 corners and 12 edges. > I had no idea that the pieces all had to be in a certain place. > I didn't even realize at that point that the centers were stationary. > I didn't understand the opposite colors. > > I learned a corners 1st method by Jeff Varasano from a book. So he > taught me in esscence. i don't think that I would have gotten it on > my own. My First Big Alg [(R'<)(R2 >>) (R' U2 R) (>> R2 > R) U2] > > My 10 year old cousin got a cube last year for Xmas and has been > working on it with little success for a year. I promise, i didn't > deprive her of anything by teaching her. > > I do agree w/ you, Stephan, about learning things on your own. I have > tried to do this as much as possible with F2L, but sometimes seeing a > new shorter way to do a Pair will help out. I defenitely don't > believe in memorizing written sequences for F2L. > > > Thats why I like Gille's Method. very little Memorization. Lots of > intuition. And lots of (R r U M) moves, of course. > > Jason k > > > > > > > > I first solved the cube when I was 10 years old. I only worked out the > > first two layers by myself, then I read a book for the last layer. I'm > > quite sure that I would not have been able to work out the last layer by > > myself at that age. I'm not saying it isn't possible at that age, just > > that I don't think I could have done it! So I'm not too bothered by the > > fact that I didn't work it all out on my own. > > > > This makes me wonder… of the people who did initially work out an entire > > solution on their own (regardless of how inefficient it might have > > been), how old were you at the time? > > > > Jasmine > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:32:44 -0000, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> > > said: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > > > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > I didn't think that my 10 year old cousin would figure out the > > > cube > > > on > > > > her own. > > > You *thought* so. And now we (and more importantly she) will > > > never > > > know. I myself am quite sad I'll never know whether I would've > > > been > > > able to find a solution myself, if I remember correctly I got a > > > solution with my first cube when I was about 6 and sadly nobody > > > encouraged me to try it on my own first. > > > Why waste the opportunity? > > > Recently a friend of mine became interested and found a solution > > > himself. Took him two months, and it wasn't the most efficient > > > method, > > > but he did it. He resisted getting any help, I resisted giving > > > any > > > help. That's what *I* am proud of. But yeah, I know I'm quite > > > lonely > > > with that attitude. > > > Stefan > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and > > love email again > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hello Although it isn't a staggering figure, it is my first sub 25 avg with ROUX. (19.97), 24.64, 20.55, 22.49, 24.03, (31.84), 28.37, 25.84, 24.72, 25.87, 25.92, 26.79 AVG 24.92 I still use a 2 step process for Corners. Once i learn CLL, these times will drop substantially. Jason k

In many ways I am right with you Stefan. I don't think solving it yourself is necessarily a good start for speedcubing but the satisfaction is worth the effort. I was very surprised when I took the cube up again in 2003 that most people in this forum didn't solve it for themselves. Having said that I think general puzzle solving techniques and experience are important (in life generally!) and if you start to learn them by being taught how to solve the cube well thats good experience too. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:32 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Are there any girls/ women that do this? > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: >> >> I didn't think that my 10 year old cousin would figure out the cube > on >> her own. > > You *thought* so. And now we (and more importantly she) will never > know. I myself am quite sad I'll never know whether I would've been > able to find a solution myself, if I remember correctly I got a > solution with my first cube when I was about 6 and sadly nobody > encouraged me to try it on my own first. > > Why waste the opportunity? > > Recently a friend of mine became interested and found a solution > himself. Took him two months, and it wasn't the most efficient method, > but he did it. He resisted getting any help, I resisted giving any > help. That's what *I* am proud of. But yeah, I know I'm quite lonely > with that attitude. > > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Hi Jasmine ! I worked out the solution all by myself back in 1981. I was 16 yrs old at the time. Like you i seem to remember that the last layer was what i struggled with. My very first method i neeeded to "restart" 5 or 6 times over and in some myterious ways i then solved the cube in about 10 mins or so. This was before i discovered how to construct genuine 3-cycles. Gaining insight into constructing cycles skyrocketed my cubing. Quite soon my times were down to 40 secs or so. Whether a newbie cuber should go through the pain and agony of working it all out by himself/herself i leave up to the individual. But surely if someone asks me for help i won't hesitate to give it. I won't "overrule" the decision of that individual to not figure it out by himself/herself ;-) I don't believe that having been taught (parts of) a method is necessarily bad for "cube-understanding". Those who not learn all all on his/her own are probably not interested in the "deeper" understanding of the cube. They just want to be able to "solve that thing" ;-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > I first solved the cube when I was 10 years old. I only worked out the > first two layers by myself, then I read a book for the last layer. I'm > quite sure that I would not have been able to work out the last layer by > myself at that age. I'm not saying it isn't possible at that age, just > that I don't think I could have done it! So I'm not too bothered by the > fact that I didn't work it all out on my own. > > This makes me wonder… of the people who did initially work out an entire > solution on their own (regardless of how inefficient it might have > been), how old were you at the time? > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:32:44 -0000, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> > said: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > > > I didn't think that my 10 year old cousin would figure out the > > cube > > on > > > her own. > > You *thought* so. And now we (and more importantly she) will > > never > > know. I myself am quite sad I'll never know whether I would've > > been > > able to find a solution myself, if I remember correctly I got a > > solution with my first cube when I was about 6 and sadly nobody > > encouraged me to try it on my own first. > > Why waste the opportunity? > > Recently a friend of mine became interested and found a solution > > himself. Took him two months, and it wasn't the most efficient > > method, > > but he did it. He resisted getting any help, I resisted giving > > any > > help. That's what *I* am proud of. But yeah, I know I'm quite > > lonely > > with that attitude. > > Stefan > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and > love email again >

Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve with a 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I got my average under 60s. It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the hang of them. BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this with regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I understand exactly how it works. :) Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" <ladartfrog@...> said: > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > now would still take over a minute... > > any other thoughts? > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > Let me know.. thanks! > > David > > ----------------------- > > thebunze wrote: > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > learning the method there? > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > in the past few days). My method is: > -Solve first 2 layers > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > -Get the LL corners in the right place > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > -Switch any incorrect corners > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > methods. > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > minutes. > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > thanks!! > > -David > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > [2]http://mail.yahoo.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ___________________________________________________________ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "[3]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [4]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [5]Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > ___________________________________________________________ > > References > > 1. http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html > 2. http://mail.yahoo.com/ > 3. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > 4. > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > 5. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > Hello > > Although it isn't a staggering figure, it is my first sub 25 avg with > ROUX. > > (19.97), 24.64, 20.55, 22.49, 24.03, (31.84), 28.37, 25.84, 24.72, > 25.87, 25.92, 26.79 AVG 24.92 > > I still use a 2 step process for Corners. Once i learn CLL, these > times will drop substantially. > > Jason k Way to go, Jason! It's good to see someone having success with something that isn't Fridrich. I've been working more on my variation for step 4 where you first place DB as you orient edges, and then permute the L5E. So far, it's very much like learning ZB. Right now, my average with pure Roux is around 20, but my normal average this way is about 22. My best times are 15.0x this way (non lucky), though, so it has very good spike times. I expect this number to grow substantially once I learn more algs. One strategy I'm experimenting with that could be useful to you (or other Roux solvers) is learning both COLL and CLL. This would allow you O6E skips twice as often, and give you the three edges orientation for the majority of the rest of solves. Also, I've been trying to recognize the orientation before the end of step 2. If you save either the DL or DR edge piece for last, you can use it to help influence orientation to your liking. If you have a corner edge pair for last, you can use those too, with some intuitive ZBF2L. This is a little harder, but will be more useful in the end. That said, learning one step algs for corners is going to help your times, but not all that much. The F2B and L6E steps are much more important. You can get very good times still using only two step algs for the corners. Learning to use unconstrained centers and the special cases for step 4 will probably get you farther in the end than CLL. I say in the end because those are probably going to take a long time to get used to, but they will be worth it. Keep up the good work, and keep us posted! -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. Sub-17 is possible with a 4 look. I promise. :) Sub-24 on average is possible, too. > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! When you get very good at a 4 look, the odds to skip steps is very high. The way I perform it, the odds for a skipped step are about 41%. So it's more of a 3.5 look. > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > hang of them. > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com F2L is key. You'll never get sub-20 if your F2L times are 30.xx. But you can still get sub-20's if your LL times are crap. Like I said, sub-24 on average is possible with a 4 look. I advise everyone to learn F2L (CFOP, Petrus, etc) before they even think about learning a 3 look. -Mike

In my case I got 2 kits and both came with rivets inside the sealed plastic bag and screws loose inside the box. On 1/5/06, Chris Sz... <s2chris2@...> wrote: > > I got a white DIY for X mas and it didn't come with screws either...or > rivets! nothing, but I happened to find 6 screws hanging arouns with > my cube stuff. Rubik's seems rather inconsistent with their DIY kits. > I've seen many different kernels, screw, washers, etc. > > --Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > > > I thought I'd share something with you guys: > > > > I just received my DIY rubiks.com cube (black) and guess what... there > > were no screws with it (only rivets)! > > > > Does someone know what type of screws I should use (any reference)? > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > When you get very good at a 4 look, the odds to skip steps is very > high. The way I perform it, the odds for a skipped step are about > 41%. So it's more of a 3.5 look. Can you tell about that way you perform it? Usually it's only about 35.6%. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > My 10 year old cousin got a cube last year for Xmas and has been > working on it with little success for a year. What notation did she use? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > > When you get very good at a 4 look, the odds to skip steps is very > > high. The way I perform it, the odds for a skipped step are about > > 41%. So it's more of a 3.5 look. > > Can you tell about that way you perform it? Usually it's only about > 35.6%. > > Cheers! > Stefan OE, PC, OC, PE. 1/8 + 1/6 + 1/27 + 1/12 = 89/216 (~41%) And if that's wrong, I'd like to blame my 4th grade teacher. ;) -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > OE, PC, OC, PE. 1/8 + 1/6 + 1/27 + 1/12 = 89/216 (~41%) > > And if that's wrong, I'd like to blame my 4th grade teacher. ;) For 4x4 reducing it to 3x3, you have those two parity problems. Each has 50% chance of skipping. Does that mean you have 50%+50%=100% chance of skipping one of them? Btw, cool that you learn probability in 4th grade already! Too bad your teacher screwed it :-) Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > > OE, PC, OC, PE. 1/8 + 1/6 + 1/27 + 1/12 = 89/216 (~41%) > > > > And if that's wrong, I'd like to blame my 4th grade teacher. ;) > > For 4x4 reducing it to 3x3, you have those two parity problems. Each > has 50% chance of skipping. Does that mean you have 50%+50%=100% > chance of skipping one of them? Btw, cool that you learn probability > in 4th grade already! Too bad your teacher screwed it :-) > > Cheers! > Stefan No. I learned adding fractions using common denominators. And I realize there is some overlap because some cases will have two or more skips in them, but I was unsure how to factor that in. Would you please explain how? That would be very helpful. I'm trying to work out some probabilities like that for an idea I've had about the Roux step 4. -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > > <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > > > > OE, PC, OC, PE. 1/8 + 1/6 + 1/27 + 1/12 = 89/216 (~41%) > > > > > > And if that's wrong, I'd like to blame my 4th grade teacher. ;) > > > > For 4x4 reducing it to 3x3, you have those two parity problems. Each > > has 50% chance of skipping. Does that mean you have 50%+50%=100% > > chance of skipping one of them? Btw, cool that you learn probability > > in 4th grade already! Too bad your teacher screwed it :-) > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > No. I learned adding fractions using common denominators. And I > realize there is some overlap because some cases will have two or more > skips in them, but I was unsure how to factor that in. Would you > please explain how? That would be very helpful. I'm trying to work > out some probabilities like that for an idea I've had about the Roux > step 4. > > -Mike No, I won't just explain it, that's not my style of teaching :-) Instead, let me ask you questions: What is the real probability to skip at least one of those two parity problems for the 4x4? Why is it not 100% like I get for adding 50%+50%? What's the correct way to compute it? Then apply this knowledge to your 4-step LL. Cheers! Stefan

The probability that you don't any step is: 7/8*5/6*26/27*11/12 = 5005/7776 So the probability that you skip at least one step is: 1-5005/7776 = 2771/7776 ~ 35.6% Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > > <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > > > > OE, PC, OC, PE. 1/8 + 1/6 + 1/27 + 1/12 = 89/216 (~41%) > > > > > > And if that's wrong, I'd like to blame my 4th grade teacher. ;) > > > > For 4x4 reducing it to 3x3, you have those two parity problems. Each > > has 50% chance of skipping. Does that mean you have 50%+50%=100% > > chance of skipping one of them? Btw, cool that you learn probability > > in 4th grade already! Too bad your teacher screwed it :-) > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > No. I learned adding fractions using common denominators. And I > realize there is some overlap because some cases will have two or more > skips in them, but I was unsure how to factor that in. Would you > please explain how? That would be very helpful. I'm trying to work > out some probabilities like that for an idea I've had about the Roux > step 4. > > -Mike >

Sorry Stefan ! BTW I hope that I am at least right Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > > > <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > OE, PC, OC, PE. 1/8 + 1/6 + 1/27 + 1/12 = 89/216 (~41%) > > > > > > > > And if that's wrong, I'd like to blame my 4th grade teacher. ;) > > > > > > For 4x4 reducing it to 3x3, you have those two parity problems. > Each > > > has 50% chance of skipping. Does that mean you have 50%+50%=100% > > > chance of skipping one of them? Btw, cool that you learn > probability > > > in 4th grade already! Too bad your teacher screwed it :-) > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > No. I learned adding fractions using common denominators. And I > > realize there is some overlap because some cases will have two or > more > > skips in them, but I was unsure how to factor that in. Would you > > please explain how? That would be very helpful. I'm trying to work > > out some probabilities like that for an idea I've had about the Roux > > step 4. > > > > -Mike > > No, I won't just explain it, that's not my style of teaching :-) > > Instead, let me ask you questions: What is the real probability to > skip at least one of those two parity problems for the 4x4? Why is it > not 100% like I get for adding 50%+50%? What's the correct way to > compute it? Then apply this knowledge to your 4-step LL. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

I learned all F2L algs except 3-move cases 1½ years ago. i didn't understand any more complicated situations. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve with a > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I > got my average under 60s. > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > hang of them. > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this with > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I understand > exactly how it works. :) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > David > > > > ----------------------- > > > > thebunze wrote: > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > learning the method there? > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > in the past few days). My method is: > > -Solve first 2 layers > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > methods. > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > > minutes. > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > thanks!! > > > > -David > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > [2]http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "[3]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [4]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [5]Yahoo! Terms > > of Service. > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > References > > > > 1. http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html > > 2. http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > 3. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > > 4. > > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Unsubscribe > > 5. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class >

> No, I won't just explain it, that's not my style of teaching :-) > > Instead, let me ask you questions: What is the real probability to > skip at least one of those two parity problems for the 4x4? Why is it > not 100% like I get for adding 50%+50%? What's the correct way to > compute it? Then apply this knowledge to your 4-step LL. > > Cheers! > Stefan That's enough explanation for me. Is it 75%? 50% of the time you get one parity, and 50% of the time you don't get it, you get the other. 7/8 * 31/108 .251 5/6 * 51/648 .065 26/27 * 9/24 .574 11/12 * 7/24 .267 ------------ ---- 1.16 So, dividing 41% by 1.16 we get ~35%. Did I do that right? :S -Mike

I cannot stand the 25th anniversary stickers. If I cube with them near a ceiling light (or just about any direct light source), I'm nearly blinded while solving the silver face. Additionally, the blue stickers crapped out amazingly fast. After getting one, I switched to making the yellow face my top face, because it was easier to see, and every cube has a yellow face. Then I just got fed up and replaced the stickers. On the bright side, it's now my best cube. On 1/5/06, Eric <maier@...> wrote: > > Just received my white DIY cube kit. Flat centers contrary to the > image on the site (as discussed earlier). One suprise though was it > came with 25th anniversary stickers! Can't wait to detail it out and > get it assembled. > > Eric > > > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Sorry Stefan ! > BTW I hope that I am at least right Yes, you did get it right. I just believe telling someone the answer right away is the cheap way out, especially when he could just as well find it out himself and learn something by doing so. Telling the answer doesn't make you a good teacher, it makes you a *lazy* teacher. Though, your question seems to indicate that you weren't sure about your solution yourself, so I'm not blaming you for writing it ;-) Have a look at these: http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/polya1.jpg http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/polya2.jpg They're excerpts from the wonderful book "How to Solve It" by George Pólya: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691023565 Btw, he's from Budapest, just like Ern? Rubik :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Polya Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > No, I won't just explain it, that's not my style of teaching :-) > > > > Instead, let me ask you questions: What is the real probability to > > skip at least one of those two parity problems for the 4x4? Why is it > > not 100% like I get for adding 50%+50%? What's the correct way to > > compute it? Then apply this knowledge to your 4-step LL. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > That's enough explanation for me. > > Is it 75%? 50% of the time you get one parity, and 50% of the time > you don't get it, you get the other. That's correct. Can you write it as a concise formula? > 7/8 * 31/108 .251 > 5/6 * 51/648 .065 > 26/27 * 9/24 .574 > 11/12 * 7/24 .267 > ------------ ---- > 1.16 > So, dividing 41% by 1.16 we get ~35%. Hmm, that stuff looks like mystery to me :-) Where do you get all those numbers like 648 from? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > They're excerpts from the wonderful book "How to Solve It" by George > Pólya: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691023565 Oh, and on this page there's another excerpt from the book: http://www.wolaver.org/teaching/TAseminar.htm Scroll down about a page (though that part is interesting, too!) and read the "TUTORING EXAMPLE". Cheers! Stefan

Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was using your method and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following steps: I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL until I had a consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on its own because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I didn't move on from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That helps a ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first using my old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute the LL. There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all edges are already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, instead of trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the Fridrich method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I went from 3 min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. - Matt On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@...> wrote: > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve with a > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I > got my average under 60s. > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > hang of them. > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this with > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I understand > exactly how it works. :) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > <ladartfrog@...> said: > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > David > > > > ----------------------- > > > > thebunze wrote: > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > learning the method there? > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > in the past few days). My method is: > > -Solve first 2 layers > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > methods. > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > > minutes. > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > thanks!! > > > > -David > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Very instructive, thanks for the links. Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > They're excerpts from the wonderful book "How to Solve It" by George > > Pólya: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691023565 > > Oh, and on this page there's another excerpt from the book: > http://www.wolaver.org/teaching/TAseminar.htm > > Scroll down about a page (though that part is interesting, too!) and > read the "TUTORING EXAMPLE". > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > Is it 75%? 50% of the time you get one parity, and 50% of the time > > you don't get it, you get the other. > > That's correct. Can you write it as a concise formula? .50 + (.50*.50) = .75 Px + (Pnotx*Py) = .75 where P is probability Is that right at least? :) > > 7/8 * 31/108 .251 > > 5/6 * 51/648 .065 > > 26/27 * 9/24 .574 > > 11/12 * 7/24 .267 > > ------------ ---- > > 1.16 > > So, dividing 41% by 1.16 we get ~35%. > > Hmm, that stuff looks like mystery to me :-) > Where do you get all those numbers like 648 from? > > Cheers! > Stefan The first numbers were all the probabilities of not getting a skip in a particular step, the second numbers are the probabilities of getting a skip in the other steps, and the farthest to the right numbers are the results from each line. The 648 was a common denominator (read: I was too lazy to find a nicer common multiple for 24 and 27). And this, kids, is why Mike is not a math major. -Mike

When I started to learn Friedrich's method I made an average of 28- 29 with 4-step LL. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve with a > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I > got my average under 60s. > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > hang of them. > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this with > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I understand > exactly how it works. :) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > David > > > > ----------------------- > > > > thebunze wrote: > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > learning the method there? > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > in the past few days). My method is: > > -Solve first 2 layers > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > methods. > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > > minutes. > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > thanks!! > > > > -David > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > [2]http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "[3]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [4]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [5]Yahoo! Terms > > of Service. > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > References > > > > 1. http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html > > 2. http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > 3. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > > 4. > > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Unsubscribe > > 5. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > That's correct. Can you write it as a concise formula? > > .50 + (.50*.50) = .75 > > Px + (Pnotx*Py) = .75 > where P is probability > > Is that right at least? :) Yep. Can you also show a concise formula for three things, i.e. x, y and z? > > > 7/8 * 31/108 .251 > > > 5/6 * 51/648 .065 > > > 26/27 * 9/24 .574 > > > 11/12 * 7/24 .267 > > > ------------ ---- > > > 1.16 > > > So, dividing 41% by 1.16 we get ~35%. > > > > Hmm, that stuff looks like mystery to me :-) > > Where do you get all those numbers like 648 from? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > The first numbers were all the probabilities of not getting a skip in > a particular step, the second numbers are the probabilities of getting > a skip in the other steps Those second numbers are computed with your initial wrong method, though :-). Try answering the x/y/z question above first. > The 648 was a common denominator (read: I > was too lazy to find a nicer common multiple for 24 and 27). Hehe, there's a real nice way to find the least common multiple, worthwile to find it :-) Cheers! Stefan

I used to do a really bad method with a 4LLL(I still use 4LLL but with F2L) and I was averaging mid-30s with it...so...don't put down 4LLL...though you do skip a step quite often...and if you try you can skip even more...I'm gunna learn PLL and the 2 more OLL cases I need to make a 3LLL (sometimes I end up doign a 5LLL) Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve with a > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I > got my average under 60s. > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > hang of them. > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this with > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I understand > exactly how it works. :) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > David > > > > ----------------------- > > > > thebunze wrote: > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > learning the method there? > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > in the past few days). My method is: > > -Solve first 2 layers > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > methods. > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > > minutes. > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > thanks!! > > > > -David > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > [2]http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "[3]speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [4]speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [5]Yahoo! Terms > > of Service. > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > References > > > > 1. http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html > > 2. http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > 3. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube > > 4. > > mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > > 5. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class >

I was something like 7 or 8 when I picked up a cube for the first time. I tried doing it color by color, though after a while I did understand that when I finished a side all the colors had to line up with the center pieces of the adjacent sides. So I figured out how to do one layer, and at one point managed to get two sides solved, but then, of course, couldn't get any further without messing up the progress I'd made. After a few years that first Rubik's cube got lost (though I found a few pieces of it in an old toy box last year and I'm still wondering what happened to it), and I didn't pick it up again until I started my freshman year at Caltech, when I figured out a very inefficient method to do the first two layers. I finally consulted a website for help on the last layer, though initially I skipped over the part about the middle layer, so I kept using my own method for a while. Which explains why the first timed solves I recorded were on the order of the time it takes me to do a 4x4 now (and I'm still pretty slow at that). I gave my brother a cube for Christmas, and I let him play with it for a while before attempting to teach him a solution. Not only is it more satisfying to see how much you can figure out on your own, it's also easier to learn a solution when you have a slightly better understanding of what's going on and not just applying movesets blindly. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > I first solved the cube when I was 10 years old. I only worked out the > first two layers by myself, then I read a book for the last layer. I'm > quite sure that I would not have been able to work out the last layer by > myself at that age. I'm not saying it isn't possible at that age, just > that I don't think I could have done it! So I'm not too bothered by the > fact that I didn't work it all out on my own. > > This makes me wonder… of the people who did initially work out an entire > solution on their own (regardless of how inefficient it might have > been), how old were you at the time? > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:32:44 -0000, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> > said: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > > > I didn't think that my 10 year old cousin would figure out the > > cube > > on > > > her own. > > You *thought* so. And now we (and more importantly she) will > > never > > know. I myself am quite sad I'll never know whether I would've > > been > > able to find a solution myself, if I remember correctly I got a > > solution with my first cube when I was about 6 and sadly nobody > > encouraged me to try it on my own first. > > Why waste the opportunity? > > Recently a friend of mine became interested and found a solution > > himself. Took him two months, and it wasn't the most efficient > > method, > > but he did it. He resisted getting any help, I resisted giving > > any > > help. That's what *I* am proud of. But yeah, I know I'm quite > > lonely > > with that attitude. > > Stefan > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and > love email again >

in another thread, someone was asking about how old were cubers when they figured it out on their own (without being taught or reading from a book). I was 11, well actually almost 12. did it during summer break back in 1981. There wasn't anyone else I knew that could do it, though I had one friend (who was at the time basically my only friend) who was a little interested in trying to figure it out, but not quite as obsessed as I was. Figuring it out took an awful lot of patience and thinking and trial and error--basically, my whole summer. Obviously, there would not be anywhere near as many cubers if we restricted it to only those who actually figured it out on their own--sure, many people can figure it out, but how many have the time or interest or determination to figure it out? But only those who have figured it out on their own know the feeling you get when you can put those last couple of pieces of the puzzle back in place without any help. It was a real confidence booster and a watershed point in my life. In the 6th grade, I was a loner, a wallflower, very shy, introverted, and very much a nerd. I ate my sack lunch by myself then went to the library. I didn't talk to or play with other kids at recess. Then 7th grade started, and when people found out I could solve the cube, they wanted a demonstration so I would solve it for them at lunch--eventually I started to charge people 25 cents to do it, and kids would gather round and watch and I guess it was basically what I needed to come out of my shell a little, and that year I stopped staring at the floor all the time and started to have confidence in myself and I formed many very good friendships (though ironically none of my friends ever really did learn how to solve the cube). You can look at pictures of me from the 6th to the 7th and you can see a real transformation. Maybe it would have happened without the cube, or would have been just the same if I had just learned how to do it from someone else, but it was definitely a catalyst. My method was just a simple layer by layer, with a few algs for what we would call a 4 look LL. I could get the F2L very early on, but the LL is what took me most of the summer to figure out. By the time school started 7th grade I could do it in about a minute and a half. I think I was lucky the internet wasn't around back then, becuase I probably would have just looked up some solution and learned it, and I'm glad I did it on my own. But I never would have become a speedcuber if I hadn't looked up other algs on the Internet and learned from others, so you could say that deprived me of the chance to become a speedcuber on my own, and that's just fine with me... --Kirk

Yeah I've wondered that a lot myself. My older cousin (who was already a college professor) wrote down a few notes for me only about 2 days after I got my first cube. He had figured it out on his own, taking about three months. A few days later I could solve it myself. So I'll never know how far I would've gotten on my own. I did solve the 4x4, 5x5 on my own, but I just extended the 3x3 corners-first method so that doesn't count. Megaminx doesn't really count either since so much knowledge is transferrable. I did solve Square-1 on my own, and it took me almost two years! Of course I didn't work on it continuously during that time. So I imagine I might have licked the 3x3 eventually. Learning a radically different method can be almost like starting over. I know when I began learning F2L after being a corners-first guy for so long, it was almost like a whole new puzzle. (Yes, PUZZLE!) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > I myself am quite sad I'll never know whether I would've been > able to find a solution myself, if I remember correctly I got a > solution with my first cube when I was about 6 and sadly nobody > encouraged me to try it on my own first.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > Very nice trick, and nice U2 finger trick too ! :D > > (btw, thx for your F-Perm, I averaged 3.09 yesterday :p) > > Gilles. What's that alg? I mean, 3.09 isn't fast, but if I remember correctly you also said an edge-3-cycle takes you 3 seconds ;-) Cheers! Stefan

Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and second layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not sure which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to solve F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with any of the names of sites. Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", etc? Thanks! David Matt Moberly <mmoberly@...> wrote: Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was using your method and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following steps: I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL until I had a consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on its own because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I didn't move on from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That helps a ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first using my old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute the LL. There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all edges are already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, instead of trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the Fridrich method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I went from 3 min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. - Matt On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@...> wrote: > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve with a > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I > got my average under 60s. > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > hang of them. > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this with > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I understand > exactly how it works. :) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > <ladartfrog@...> said: > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > David > > > > ----------------------- > > > > thebunze wrote: > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > learning the method there? > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > in the past few days). My method is: > > -Solve first 2 layers > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > methods. > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > > minutes. > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > thanks!! > > > > -David > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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[I apologize if you get this message twice... it didn't seem to send the first time] Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and second layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not sure which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to solve F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with any of the names of sites. Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", etc? Thanks! David Matt Moberly <mmoberly@...> wrote: Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was using your method and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following steps: I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL until I had a consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on its own because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I didn't move on from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That helps a ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first using my old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute the LL. There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all edges are already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, instead of trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the Fridrich method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I went from 3 min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. - Matt On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@...> wrote: > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve with a > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I > got my average under 60s. > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > hang of them. > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this with > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I understand > exactly how it works. :) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > <ladartfrog@...> said: > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > David > > > > ----------------------- > > > > thebunze wrote: > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > learning the method there? > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > in the past few days). My method is: > > -Solve first 2 layers > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > methods. > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > > minutes. > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > thanks!! > > > > -David > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Hi everyone, First of all, thanks to everyone who took part in the Christmas Challenge FMC! I have a lot of entries to deal with, and I will promise to post the results on the FMC page sometime tomorrow morning :) There were lots of great solutions as always! Finally, FMC#102 will be launched at midnight tonight, falling back down to earth after the novelties of the TeamFMC100 and then the Christmas Challenge, with a regular FMC scramble. All you have to do is solve the scramble in as least moves as possible! All are welcome, and it is always great to have new people on board! Yes, that includes all you speedcubers too! Good Luck! Dan :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah, I agree with you mike, CMLL isn't everything. I broke the 25avg barrier by just optimising how I did my F2B. Now I'm after sub-20 :) I find that CMLL sometimes slows me down, as I know 60% of it, but I'm not 'fluent' with every case I know yet. I think the F2B is the most important part, then comes LSEC and then CMLL :) Well, that in ordedr of how much I think I could improve each bit :) Thanks, Thom. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > Although it isn't a staggering figure, it is my first sub 25 avg with > > ROUX. > > > > (19.97), 24.64, 20.55, 22.49, 24.03, (31.84), 28.37, 25.84, 24.72, > > 25.87, 25.92, 26.79 AVG 24.92 > > > > I still use a 2 step process for Corners. Once i learn CLL, these > > times will drop substantially. > > > > Jason k > > Way to go, Jason! It's good to see someone having success with > something that isn't Fridrich. I've been working more on my variation > for step 4 where you first place DB as you orient edges, and then > permute the L5E. So far, it's very much like learning ZB. Right now, > my average with pure Roux is around 20, but my normal average this way > is about 22. My best times are 15.0x this way (non lucky), though, so > it has very good spike times. I expect this number to grow > substantially once I learn more algs. > > One strategy I'm experimenting with that could be useful to you (or > other Roux solvers) is learning both COLL and CLL. This would allow > you O6E skips twice as often, and give you the three edges orientation > for the majority of the rest of solves. > > Also, I've been trying to recognize the orientation before the end of > step 2. If you save either the DL or DR edge piece for last, you can > use it to help influence orientation to your liking. If you have a > corner edge pair for last, you can use those too, with some intuitive > ZBF2L. This is a little harder, but will be more useful in the end. > > That said, learning one step algs for corners is going to help your > times, but not all that much. The F2B and L6E steps are much more > important. You can get very good times still using only two step algs > for the corners. > > Learning to use unconstrained centers and the special cases for step 4 > will probably get you farther in the end than CLL. I say in the end > because those are probably going to take a long time to get used to, > but they will be worth it. > > Keep up the good work, and keep us posted! > > -Mike >

- I wrote about this about a month ago. I got rivets only, adn unassembled corner pieces. I wrote someone at RUBik's.com and he said, " I'm sorry the DIY kit was incorrect, we have had some problems with a factory in China that seems to keep making mistakes like this (now fired !). As soon as we get replacemrents we will send you a new kit free of charge. Wishing you a great holiday. Best wishes Dave Rubik's. " Who KNOWS when they'll get replacements? Jason K -- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Marco Garbelini <garbelini@g...> wrote: > > In my case I got 2 kits and both came with rivets inside the sealed plastic > bag and screws loose inside the box. > > On 1/5/06, Chris Sz... <s2chris2@h...> wrote: > > > > I got a white DIY for X mas and it didn't come with screws either...or > > rivets! nothing, but I happened to find 6 screws hanging arouns with > > my cube stuff. Rubik's seems rather inconsistent with their DIY kits. > > I've seen many different kernels, screw, washers, etc. > > > > --Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> > > wrote: > > > > > > I thought I'd share something with you guys: > > > > > > I just received my DIY rubiks.com cube (black) and guess what... there > > > were no screws with it (only rivets)! > > > > > > Does someone know what type of screws I should use (any reference)? > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I had the same exact problem. I recieved my kit 2 fridays before christmas, I discovered the problem with the screws and I emailed them saturday. They told me about their factory problem and that they would send the replacement screws on monday via "air mail". Now I'm still not clear as to what air mail is because I didn't get them by friday and since UPS operates only on business days (or so I'm told), there was no way I was getting the screws before christmas. I was disappointed because I was going away for vacation and I wanted something to do on the long plane ride. Anyhow, I got back from vacation 8 days later and the screws still haven't come. So I'm not exactly sure what this "air mail" is since it's not the usual shipping that you pay for. I wonder if the screws are coming in a regular letter envelope via regular mail. Oy, I had high expectations for my 1st experience with Rubiks.com but they let me down. I'm still waiting for the screws. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > - > > I wrote about this about a month ago. I got rivets only, adn > unassembled corner pieces. I wrote someone at RUBik's.com and he said, > " > I'm sorry the DIY kit was incorrect, we have had some problems with a > factory in China that seems to keep making mistakes like this (now > fired !). > As soon as we get replacemrents we will send you a new kit free of charge. > Wishing you a great holiday. > Best wishes > Dave > Rubik's. > " > > Who KNOWS when they'll get replacements? > > Jason K > > -- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Marco Garbelini > <garbelini@g...> wrote: > > > > In my case I got 2 kits and both came with rivets inside the sealed > plastic > > bag and screws loose inside the box. > > > > On 1/5/06, Chris Sz... <s2chris2@h...> wrote: > > > > > > I got a white DIY for X mas and it didn't come with screws either...or > > > rivets! nothing, but I happened to find 6 screws hanging arouns with > > > my cube stuff. Rubik's seems rather inconsistent with their DIY kits. > > > I've seen many different kernels, screw, washers, etc. > > > > > > --Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I thought I'd share something with you guys: > > > > > > > > I just received my DIY rubiks.com cube (black) and guess what... > there > > > > were no screws with it (only rivets)! > > > > > > > > Does someone know what type of screws I should use (any reference)? > > > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

So is that why they haven't had any in stock in a REALLY long time??? and all the experiences I've had with rubiks.com have been good...I get packages less than 48 hours most of them time...but then again...Kroeger Inc. is like a 4 hour drive :) Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "djspazy" <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > I had the same exact problem. I recieved my kit 2 fridays before > christmas, I discovered the problem with the screws and I emailed them > saturday. They told me about their factory problem and that they would > send the replacement screws on monday via "air mail". Now I'm still > not clear as to what air mail is because I didn't get them by friday > and since UPS operates only on business days (or so I'm told), there > was no way I was getting the screws before christmas. I was > disappointed because I was going away for vacation and I wanted > something to do on the long plane ride. Anyhow, I got back from > vacation 8 days later and the screws still haven't come. So I'm not > exactly sure what this "air mail" is since it's not the usual shipping > that you pay for. I wonder if the screws are coming in a regular > letter envelope via regular mail. > > Oy, I had high expectations for my 1st experience with Rubiks.com but > they let me down. > > I'm still waiting for the screws. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > - > > > > I wrote about this about a month ago. I got rivets only, adn > > unassembled corner pieces. I wrote someone at RUBik's.com and he said, > > " > > I'm sorry the DIY kit was incorrect, we have had some problems with a > > factory in China that seems to keep making mistakes like this (now > > fired !). > > As soon as we get replacemrents we will send you a new kit free of > charge. > > Wishing you a great holiday. > > Best wishes > > Dave > > Rubik's. > > " > > > > Who KNOWS when they'll get replacements? > > > > Jason K > > > > -- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Marco Garbelini > > <garbelini@g...> wrote: > > > > > > In my case I got 2 kits and both came with rivets inside the sealed > > plastic > > > bag and screws loose inside the box. > > > > > > On 1/5/06, Chris Sz... <s2chris2@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > I got a white DIY for X mas and it didn't come with screws > either...or > > > > rivets! nothing, but I happened to find 6 screws hanging arouns with > > > > my cube stuff. Rubik's seems rather inconsistent with their DIY > kits. > > > > I've seen many different kernels, screw, washers, etc. > > > > > > > > --Chris > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal > <no_reply@y...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I thought I'd share something with you guys: > > > > > > > > > > I just received my DIY rubiks.com cube (black) and guess what... > > there > > > > > were no screws with it (only rivets)! > > > > > > > > > > Does someone know what type of screws I should use (any > reference)? > > > > > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

What is Kroeger's role? Do they do the final assembly? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > So is that why they haven't had any in stock in a REALLY long time??? > and all the experiences I've had with rubiks.com have been good...I > get packages less than 48 hours most of them time...but then > again...Kroeger Inc. is like a 4 hour drive :) > > Craig > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "djspazy" > <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > > I had the same exact problem. I recieved my kit 2 fridays before > > christmas, I discovered the problem with the screws and I emailed them > > saturday. They told me about their factory problem and that they would > > send the replacement screws on monday via "air mail". Now I'm still > > not clear as to what air mail is because I didn't get them by friday > > and since UPS operates only on business days (or so I'm told), there > > was no way I was getting the screws before christmas. I was > > disappointed because I was going away for vacation and I wanted > > something to do on the long plane ride. Anyhow, I got back from > > vacation 8 days later and the screws still haven't come. So I'm not > > exactly sure what this "air mail" is since it's not the usual shipping > > that you pay for. I wonder if the screws are coming in a regular > > letter envelope via regular mail. > > > > Oy, I had high expectations for my 1st experience with Rubiks.com but > > they let me down. > > > > I'm still waiting for the screws. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > > > > I wrote about this about a month ago. I got rivets only, adn > > > unassembled corner pieces. I wrote someone at RUBik's.com and he > said, > > > " > > > I'm sorry the DIY kit was incorrect, we have had some problems with a > > > factory in China that seems to keep making mistakes like this (now > > > fired !). > > > As soon as we get replacemrents we will send you a new kit free of > > charge. > > > Wishing you a great holiday. > > > Best wishes > > > Dave > > > Rubik's. > > > " > > > > > > Who KNOWS when they'll get replacements? > > > > > > Jason K > > > > > > -- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Marco Garbelini > > > <garbelini@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > In my case I got 2 kits and both came with rivets inside the sealed > > > plastic > > > > bag and screws loose inside the box. > > > > > > > > On 1/5/06, Chris Sz... <s2chris2@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I got a white DIY for X mas and it didn't come with screws > > either...or > > > > > rivets! nothing, but I happened to find 6 screws hanging > arouns with > > > > > my cube stuff. Rubik's seems rather inconsistent with their DIY > > kits. > > > > > I've seen many different kernels, screw, washers, etc. > > > > > > > > > > --Chris > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal > > <no_reply@y...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I'd share something with you guys: > > > > > > > > > > > > I just received my DIY rubiks.com cube (black) and guess what... > > > there > > > > > > were no screws with it (only rivets)! > > > > > > > > > > > > Does someone know what type of screws I should use (any > > reference)? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Yep. Can you also show a concise formula for three things, i.e. x, y > and z? Px + (Pnotx * Py + (Pnoty* Pz)) That still seems not right, though. > Hehe, there's a real nice way to find the least common multiple, > worthwile to find it :-) > > Cheers! > Stefan Divisible by 3. 8 and 9. Oops. :P -Mike

stefan if you see this. i heard that you made a gigaminx and i was wondering if you could give me a little more detail on how to.

i have looked at about maybe ten different pages, and have not understood any of them. im getting so frustrated because everyone claims it is "so easy." by posting this, im looking for help, however i doubt one can supply the amount of help i need via email. i think i need to have a live demonstration and explanation which will most likely never happen. someone help me.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" <tehguardians@y...> wrote: > > i have looked at about maybe ten different pages, and have not > understood any of them. im getting so frustrated because everyone > claims it is "so easy." by posting this, im looking for help, however > i doubt one can supply the amount of help i need via email. i think i > need to have a live demonstration and explanation which will most > likely never happen. someone help me. Tyson Mao wrote a really great tutorial a few weeks ago. You should check it out. Unfortunately, when I search for anything remotely resembling his post, I get no results. I recall that it was under an odd subject, and it wasn't the beginning of the thread. If anyone (Tyson included) has any idea how to find it, please post it. -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" > <tehguardians@y...> wrote: > > > > i have looked at about maybe ten different pages, and have not > > understood any of them. im getting so frustrated because everyone > > claims it is "so easy." by posting this, im looking for help, however > > i doubt one can supply the amount of help i need via email. i think i > > need to have a live demonstration and explanation which will most > > likely never happen. someone help me. > > Tyson Mao wrote a really great tutorial a few weeks ago. You should > check it out. > > Unfortunately, when I search for anything remotely resembling his > post, I get no results. I recall that it was under an odd subject, > and it wasn't the beginning of the thread. If anyone (Tyson included) > has any idea how to find it, please post it. > > -Mike > now that you mention him, it sounded familiar, and on macky's page, he states that his method is the same as tysons, except for a few algorithms. the sad part however, i did not understand mack's either. lol.

Hello Everyone mike, thanks for the encouragement. i read your post and wondered about f2b 10.78, 12.87, 12.31, (23.53), 12.99, 12.65, 18.17, 12.94, 11.17, 11.41, 13.18, (10.68) AVG 12.85 This is a pretty good improvement, but i wont be happy until i'm sub 10. On the 23.53, I had a really bad first b. For the 2nd block, i did both pairs first and then FORCED myself to do a new alg Gilles showed me. R' U' R2 U R2 U' R' y M' U2 M y' Ur'R'UM'U'R2 The last one is Gilles' Which one do you guys use? And Question 2, do you guys use (U R r M) only for B2? I almost exclusively use these subsets for B2. Because of this, I usually use the first algorithm Question 3. if you learn CLL or COLL instead of CMLL, then you dont have to have the cube oriented for step 3. In this case I think the 2nd alg is the best, b/c you don't have to do the last y'. Do you guys do Y rotations during F2B? i dont. Jason K --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > Yeah, I agree with you mike, CMLL isn't everything. I broke the 25avg > barrier by just optimising how I did my F2B. Now I'm after sub-20 :) I > find that CMLL sometimes slows me down, as I know 60% of it, but I'm > not 'fluent' with every case I know yet. > > I think the F2B is the most important part, then comes LSEC and then > CMLL :) Well, that in ordedr of how much I think I could improve each > bit :) > > Thanks, Thom. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > Although it isn't a staggering figure, it is my first sub 25 avg with > > > ROUX. > > > > > > (19.97), 24.64, 20.55, 22.49, 24.03, (31.84), 28.37, 25.84, 24.72, > > > 25.87, 25.92, 26.79 AVG 24.92 > > > > > > I still use a 2 step process for Corners. Once i learn CLL, these > > > times will drop substantially. > > > > > > Jason k > > > > Way to go, Jason! It's good to see someone having success with > > something that isn't Fridrich. I've been working more on my variation > > for step 4 where you first place DB as you orient edges, and then > > permute the L5E. So far, it's very much like learning ZB. Right now, > > my average with pure Roux is around 20, but my normal average this way > > is about 22. My best times are 15.0x this way (non lucky), though, so > > it has very good spike times. I expect this number to grow > > substantially once I learn more algs. > > > > One strategy I'm experimenting with that could be useful to you (or > > other Roux solvers) is learning both COLL and CLL. This would allow > > you O6E skips twice as often, and give you the three edges orientation > > for the majority of the rest of solves. > > > > Also, I've been trying to recognize the orientation before the end of > > step 2. If you save either the DL or DR edge piece for last, you can > > use it to help influence orientation to your liking. If you have a > > corner edge pair for last, you can use those too, with some intuitive > > ZBF2L. This is a little harder, but will be more useful in the end. > > > > That said, learning one step algs for corners is going to help your > > times, but not all that much. The F2B and L6E steps are much more > > important. You can get very good times still using only two step algs > > for the corners. > > > > Learning to use unconstrained centers and the special cases for step 4 > > will probably get you farther in the end than CLL. I say in the end > > because those are probably going to take a long time to get used to, > > but they will be worth it. > > > > Keep up the good work, and keep us posted! > > > > -Mike > > >

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ok, for edge orientation, i can tell which are and are not oriented, at least i think i can. however, i constantly finding myself finding an odd number of edges, which is not supposed to happen. i then check to see if i was correct, and i get the same odd number answer. i am obviously haveing trouble understanding the rules for judging if it oriented correctly or not. i thought i understood the three rules though. however, i dont really know for sure if i do.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > mike, thanks for the encouragement. i read your post and wondered > about f2b > > 10.78, 12.87, 12.31, (23.53), 12.99, 12.65, 18.17, 12.94, 11.17, > 11.41, 13.18, (10.68) AVG 12.85 Now you've got me curious. I took an average just now, and I can't say I'm very happy with it. I wish it were a second or two less. 11.43, 9.26, 11.78, 13.62, (8.37), (15.14), 9.09, 14.87, 10.90, 12.43, 13.01, 10.31 = 11.67 average I've learned two important things: The first, I'm terrible at building the F2B when there isn't an obvious start. I need to work on being more flexible. If there isn't a corner edge pair, I don't do as well. If one is there, though, I get good times. I also tend to hurry too much when I don't have a solid start planned. I need to work on slowing down and staying calm. Also, I make far too many rotations during my F2B. I generally build the first block in front, because it allows for easy RULMd algs. If I could learn to make the blocks on L and R I'm sure it could be faster. > This is a pretty good improvement, but i wont be happy until i'm sub > 10. On the 23.53, I had a really bad first b. For the 2nd block, i > did both pairs first and then FORCED myself to do a new alg Gilles > showed me. My goal for the F2B is sub-9. I know it can be done, and really shouldn't take all that much work. The trick is seeing my fewest moves solution in the 15 seconds... > > R' U' R2 U R2 U' R' > > y M' U2 M y' > > Ur'R'UM'U'R2 > > > The last one is Gilles' > Which one do you guys use? Wow. That's a great trick! I'm going to have to steal that. This leads to an interesting point. You can use the last pair or edge to influence the orientation to your liking, often avoiding that step altogether, and even more often achieving the easy 3 edges on top situation. It's not always as easy to see, because of the corners, but it can be done, I think. In the end, I would also like to be able to use tricks to influence either (or both) the edge orientation or the corner case. For 7/32 of cases, you can use what amounts to a VH or ZBF2L alg to orient the U edges only. For the other 24 unoriented cases, you can try for a better orientation (such as the 3 edges scenario). Also, has anyone looked into placing the UF and UB edges after orienting? A lot of times, this is much easier than trying for UL and UR, but I don't know if the decision between the two can be made fast enough. Using this and unconstrained centers (solving slowly, because I can't speedsolve that way yet), you can achieve almost optimal L6E solutions most of the time. I tried this for hours earlier and the nastiest case I found was 19 moves to fix. Only a few sub-10 though. Another thing to try is placing DB while orienting the edges. This can usually be done in 7 moves or less. After that, you're left with 5 edges to possibly permute. 1/5 of the time, it's a simple edge PLL, around 1/10 of the time it's a 3 edge cycle in a slice, and the rest of the time, it's just two 3 cycles. The average using only MU moves is around 7, but better if you're smart about solving the DB edge. Consulting my trusty list of algs for DB and placing using only a couple algs and some intuition, I averaged 13.9 moves to finish the edges this way. I imagine with the full list of L5E algs, and influencing orientation with the last pair or edge and the corners, this could be reduced to around 12. Perhaps less. Also, while I highly advocate using MU type algs, I've recently discovered some simple special cases that I think are useful to learn. When all but three pieces are placed and oriented, and two of the wrong pieces are flipped, you can always solve in <10 moves. Usually, it's 8. The trick is to use commutators. As an example: M'UM D2 M'U'M D2. Does anyone else actively use algs like this? Anywho, that's about all the spiel I've got for now. Happy cubing. > Jason K -Mike

Well maybe ur just doing some simple mistakes in counting :) Btw u said that its not possible to give u a live demonstration...Why is that so? Just let us know ur location and if thereis any cuber near u then u can surely get some help. If ur from Mumbai(bombay) then surely i'll come to help u :) Btw i think i have tysons document with me. I will have to search for it though. But i surely have it saved in my sent mails coz one day when i was learning BLD, i found there was an error in his T-Perm algorithm and i had sent him the corrected document. So let me know if u wnat it. Sachin. On 1/7/06, tehguardians <tehguardians@...> wrote: > ok, for edge orientation, i can tell which are and are not oriented, > at least i think i can. however, i constantly finding myself finding > an odd number of edges, which is not supposed to happen. i then check > to see if i was correct, and i get the same odd number answer. i am > obviously haveing trouble understanding the rules for judging if it > oriented correctly or not. i thought i understood the three rules > though. however, i dont really know for sure if i do. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

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Well, tell us some things first: what's your cube color scheme? which colors do you use on top and front? which rules do you follow to determine the edge orientation? is that your only problem? or anything else we could help you? Pedro Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@...> escreveu: Well maybe ur just doing some simple mistakes in counting :) Btw u said that its not possible to give u a live demonstration...Why is that so? Just let us know ur location and if thereis any cuber near u then u can surely get some help. If ur from Mumbai(bombay) then surely i'll come to help u :) Btw i think i have tysons document with me. I will have to search for it though. But i surely have it saved in my sent mails coz one day when i was learning BLD, i found there was an error in his T-Perm algorithm and i had sent him the corrected document. So let me know if u wnat it. Sachin. On 1/7/06, tehguardians <tehguardians@...> wrote: > ok, for edge orientation, i can tell which are and are not oriented, > at least i think i can. however, i constantly finding myself finding > an odd number of edges, which is not supposed to happen. i then check > to see if i was correct, and i get the same odd number answer. i am > obviously haveing trouble understanding the rules for judging if it > oriented correctly or not. i thought i understood the three rules > though. however, i dont really know for sure if i do. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > mike, thanks for the encouragement. i read your post and wondered > > about f2b > > > > 10.78, 12.87, 12.31, (23.53), 12.99, 12.65, 18.17, 12.94, 11.17, > > 11.41, 13.18, (10.68) AVG 12.85 > > Now you've got me curious. I took an average just now, and I can't > say I'm very happy with it. I wish it were a second or two less. > > 11.43, 9.26, 11.78, 13.62, (8.37), (15.14), 9.09, 14.87, 10.90, 12.43, > 13.01, 10.31 = 11.67 average I'll do an average later. I do know that F2B + CMLL for me is around 19 seconds. > > R' U' R2 U R2 U' R' > > > > y M' U2 M y' > > > > Ur'R'UM'U'R2 > > > > > > The last one is Gilles' > > Which one do you guys use? The second one. But sometimes I do it with standing slices if I'm in an awkward position. and if the LD slice is at UR, I just use the standard 3-cycle from the LSE, part 3. I've got a good one for you, F (r U r' U')*3 F'. Try it :) > In the end, I would also like to be able to use tricks to influence > either (or both) the edge orientation or the corner case. For 7/32 > of cases, you can use what amounts to a VH or ZBF2L alg to orient the > U edges only. For the other 24 unoriented cases, you can try for a > better orientation (such as the 3 edges scenario). The problem with this is, You are constrainging yourself to the standard 1x2x2 + corner edge (or any other formula). I do this most often, but not all the time, so It may do more harm than good. Unsure though :) > Also, has anyone looked into placing the UF and UB edges after > orienting? A lot of times, this is much easier than trying for UL and > UR, but I don't know if the decision between the two can be made fast > enough. Yeah, I've used all sorts of different stratergies. Placing DB and DB, UF and UB, leaving out the final U2 from the placing the UR and UL pieces and doing the last bit a usually a shorter number of moves. A thing I still use is if the ULB and ULF corners are solved after the first block, doing a z' and executing COLL (Not CMLL) on the corners and then shifting into the classic corners first senario. It's good to have little tricks like that under your sleeve for lucky cases. On last thing I still can't get right is the E2 M E2 alg. I can never get it under a second. What do you guys do and how do you perform it? > > Jason K > > -Mike > ~ Thom

> On last thing I still can't get right is the E2 M E2 alg. I can never > get it under a second. What do you guys do and how do you perform it? > If you don't like E2's, try (U2 M2 U2 M')*2. - Johannes

I get a Rubik-like spherical puzzle from a friend. (Puzzle is his fathers) We don't know it's name. I look around the web (and wikipedia.org of course) and found nothing about this puzzle. Is anybody knows it's name? Do you know any algorithm/strategy for it? Here are the shots: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zwnj/sets/1780439/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > I'll do an average later. I do know that F2B + CMLL for me is around > 19 seconds. I'll do an average for my F2B+C(O)LL later. My brain is thoroughly fried after being up all night FMCing. > I've got a good one for you, F (r U r' U')*3 F'. Try it :) Simple algs like that make me smile. Unfortunately, I can't see that one coming up in a solve very often. Do you use that one much? > The problem with this is, You are constrainging yourself to the > standard 1x2x2 + corner edge (or any other formula). I do this most > often, but not all the time, so It may do more harm than good. Unsure > though :) You can use similar trick for placing edges last. And you don't necessarily need to change the orientation. Often it's helpful to influence the corners. Think of the difference between U'RUR' and R'FRF'. > Yeah, I've used all sorts of different stratergies. Placing DB and DB, > UF and UB, leaving out the final U2 from the placing the UR and UL > pieces and doing the last bit a usually a shorter number of moves. I'm pretty much placing DB while orienting edges almost all of the time now. It seems like a lot of algs to start with, but they're not so bad because they're short and mostly common sense. It feels great to get DB or DF placed after step 3, and see an easy 3 edges on top orientation. You can usually even work out the L5E step afterward to be a nice case based on which direction you orient that one from. > A thing I still use is if the ULB and ULF corners are solved after the > first block, doing a z' and executing COLL (Not CMLL) on the corners > and then shifting into the classic corners first senario. It's good to > have little tricks like that under your sleeve for lucky cases. I would try that, but my corners first times are all >30 on average. :( > On last thing I still can't get right is the E2 M E2 alg. I can never > get it under a second. What do you guys do and how do you perform it? I avoid that one like the plague. It doesn't really come up very often the way I solve the L6E. Only about 1/30 of the times I get an O6E skip, which is about 1/32. 1 out of a little under 1,000 solves. If I solve the normal Roux way, though, I hate getting that one. It probably takes me >2 seconds on average. I used to do it as M'E2(push with right thumb twice)M/M'E2(push twice again). Now I've switched to doing it as M' and then double click the E' with my right index finger. The trick is to adjust your right middle finger during the M' turn, so that it's positioned on the B sticker of DBR (and right thumb on the F sticker of DFR). I've also tried doing the E2 as a wrist turn, but it's not as fast as the clicking once you get it down. > ~ Thom -Mike

It's called Impossiball and is sold by www.mefferts.com /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Behnam Esfahbod" <behnam@z...> wrote: > > I get a Rubik-like spherical puzzle from a friend. (Puzzle is his > fathers) We don't know it's name. I look around the web (and > wikipedia.org of course) and found nothing about this puzzle. > > Is anybody knows it's name? Do you know any algorithm/strategy for it? > > Here are the shots: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zwnj/sets/1780439/ >

I'm not 100% sure, but they are the #1 shipping company in Canada, and I think they ship some to the US too... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > What is Kroeger's role? Do they do the final assembly? > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > So is that why they haven't had any in stock in a REALLY long > time??? > > and all the experiences I've had with rubiks.com have been good...I > > get packages less than 48 hours most of them time...but then > > again...Kroeger Inc. is like a 4 hour drive :) > > > > Craig

David, I was about right where you are a month ago :). Get ready for some major improvements in speed when you take this next step. Basically you want the F2L right? What it does is it lets you insert a corner and its corresponding edge piece at the same time, allowing you to essentially do 2 layers at once. It depends on where you want the cross. Like the 1st step is always just to solve the cross. I choose to solve the cross on the bottom because then I'm looking for the F2L pairs on the top which is easier to see. Some people choose to hold the cross in the left hand but I don't really like that. I'm not saying you have to solve it on the bottom but whatever you prefer, the F2L methods vary depending on that. Anyways, F2L for beginners, I started with the algorithms on Speedcubing.com: http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l.html that page allows you to choose the method for whatever side you prefer to solve the cross. The site's nice because it gives you a printable page of the algorithms with all of them on 1 single page so you can put it in your pocket and what not. Don't worry about the 3 look and 4 look yet until you've somewhat mastered the F2L. Those are methods to solving the last layer. I'm assuming that you learned how to do the last layer by first flipping the edges of the last layer up, moving them to their right places, then moving the corners to their right places and then individually flipping those up. Basically what these methods do is save you a lot of time and a lot of moves. Basically you can just flip all the pieces face up with 1 or 2 steps, and then move all the pieces to their right places with the last step. Learning this is essential if you want to cube in under 60 seconds although since there is much to memorize, I would first learn the F2L. The next step after you learn the F2L, is learning how to look ahead. Basically to become efficient at the F2L you must be able to find the next corner/edge pair while you're solving the 1st one. Like while you're doing the cross you find the 1st corner/edge pair and the moment you finish the cross you can go right into the F2L without delay. While you're putting that pair in place, look for the next pair, and the moment you're done with the 1st pair you can go right into the 2nd pair without delay. To do this you must slow down your F2L to give yourself time. Once you are able to look ahead, you can start to speed up. I don't know how to do it myself and I'm starting to try it just a few days ago but it's really hard. Does anyone have any tips for Matt and I? I just can't seem to do it. I'm slowing down but I'm still struggling to keep track of the pieces. Usually I've found either an edge or a corner, but I don't see the 2nd piece until after I finish inserting the current pair, which ruins the entire point really. Usually I see the pair but because of the nature of the F2L method I use, I think I know where it is but after I finish inserting the current pair, I find that the piece is actually somewhere on the bottom layer somewhere else. Phew that was long. Hope this helps you Matt and hope someone can help me! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and second layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not sure which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to solve F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with any of the names of sites. > > Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", etc? > > Thanks! > > David > Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was using your method > and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following steps: > > I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL until I had a > consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on its own > because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I didn't move on > from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That helps a > ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. > > Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first using my > old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute the LL. > There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all edges are > already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, instead of > trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the Fridrich > method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I went from 3 > min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. > > - Matt > > > On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve with a > > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I > > got my average under 60s. > > > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on > > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > > hang of them. > > > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this with > > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I understand > > exactly how it works. :) > > > > Jasmine > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > > > David > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > thebunze wrote: > > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > > learning the method there? > > > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > > in the past few days). 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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "washyourmonkey" <washyourmonkey@y...> wrote: > > stefan if you see this. i heard that you made a gigaminx and i was > wondering if you could give me a little more detail on how to. No I didn't, but someone else did: http://www.twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4209 Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" <tehguardians@y...> wrote: > > ok, for edge orientation, i can tell which are and are not oriented, > at least i think i can. however, i constantly finding myself finding > an odd number of edges, which is not supposed to happen. i then check > to see if i was correct, and i get the same odd number answer. i am > obviously haveing trouble understanding the rules for judging if it > oriented correctly or not. i thought i understood the three rules > though. however, i dont really know for sure if i do. > Hehe, time for me to mention there are methods for which the only badly oriented edges are in the correct place, i.e. easy to detect... Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > Yep. Can you also show a concise formula for three things, i.e. x, y > > and z? > > Px + (Pnotx * Py + (Pnoty* Pz)) > > That still seems not right, though. Why not? (True, it isn't, but why do *you* say so?) It looks a bit like you're guessing without understanding :-). Perhaps instead try extending the textual two-variable version (which was good) to a textual three-variable version. Cheers! Stefan

RUR'U' RU2 z'y' RUR' d' x L'U'LU L2 (now I'm sub3 for a 3 edge cycle, but if I count recognition...i'm probably around 4 or maybe sub4 now:s) :-) Gilles. 2006/1/6, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > > > Very nice trick, and nice U2 finger trick too ! :D > > > > (btw, thx for your F-Perm, I averaged 3.09 yesterday :p) > > > > Gilles. > > What's that alg? I mean, 3.09 isn't fast, but if I remember correctly > you also said an edge-3-cycle takes you 3 seconds ;-) > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

my cubes color scheme is BOY. i use blue on top and white in front. i follow the threee rules that state: 1. if U/D colors are on F or B, those edges are incorrectly oriented. 2. if U/D colors are on U or D, those edges are correctly oriented. 3. if F/B colors are on U or D, those edges are incorrectly oriented. now doesnt that mean that if U/D colors are on L or R, they are correctly oriented? and does it mean that any middle layer edges already placed in the middle layer are correctly oriented??

and btw, i live in los angeles, california.

You could come by Caltech and we can help you? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:29 AM, tehguardians wrote: > and btw, i live in los angeles, california. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Mellowfreezer: Thanks! I currently solve the cross on the top of the cube, but I think I know what you mean how it would be easier to solve the first two layers simultaneously if all of the work you were doing was not at the bottom of the cube. Do you think that most people do it the bottom way? If so, i would trust their judgement and learn to do it that way. For the time being, I guess i'll just start doing it your way. Those algorithms look really intimidating; right now i'm able to solve the cube using a total of i think 9 algorithms... but I guess i should just start memorizing them? How long is this supposed to take me? :-) Thanks David mellowfreezer <djspazy@...> wrote: David, I was about right where you are a month ago :). Get ready for some major improvements in speed when you take this next step. Basically you want the F2L right? What it does is it lets you insert a corner and its corresponding edge piece at the same time, allowing you to essentially do 2 layers at once. It depends on where you want the cross. Like the 1st step is always just to solve the cross. I choose to solve the cross on the bottom because then I'm looking for the F2L pairs on the top which is easier to see. Some people choose to hold the cross in the left hand but I don't really like that. I'm not saying you have to solve it on the bottom but whatever you prefer, the F2L methods vary depending on that. Anyways, F2L for beginners, I started with the algorithms on Speedcubing.com: http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l.html that page allows you to choose the method for whatever side you prefer to solve the cross. The site's nice because it gives you a printable page of the algorithms with all of them on 1 single page so you can put it in your pocket and what not. Don't worry about the 3 look and 4 look yet until you've somewhat mastered the F2L. Those are methods to solving the last layer. I'm assuming that you learned how to do the last layer by first flipping the edges of the last layer up, moving them to their right places, then moving the corners to their right places and then individually flipping those up. Basically what these methods do is save you a lot of time and a lot of moves. Basically you can just flip all the pieces face up with 1 or 2 steps, and then move all the pieces to their right places with the last step. Learning this is essential if you want to cube in under 60 seconds although since there is much to memorize, I would first learn the F2L. The next step after you learn the F2L, is learning how to look ahead. Basically to become efficient at the F2L you must be able to find the next corner/edge pair while you're solving the 1st one. Like while you're doing the cross you find the 1st corner/edge pair and the moment you finish the cross you can go right into the F2L without delay. While you're putting that pair in place, look for the next pair, and the moment you're done with the 1st pair you can go right into the 2nd pair without delay. To do this you must slow down your F2L to give yourself time. Once you are able to look ahead, you can start to speed up. I don't know how to do it myself and I'm starting to try it just a few days ago but it's really hard. Does anyone have any tips for Matt and I? I just can't seem to do it. I'm slowing down but I'm still struggling to keep track of the pieces. Usually I've found either an edge or a corner, but I don't see the 2nd piece until after I finish inserting the current pair, which ruins the entire point really. Usually I see the pair but because of the nature of the F2L method I use, I think I know where it is but after I finish inserting the current pair, I find that the piece is actually somewhere on the bottom layer somewhere else. Phew that was long. Hope this helps you Matt and hope someone can help me! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and second layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not sure which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to solve F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with any of the names of sites. > > Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", etc? > > Thanks! > > David > Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was using your method > and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following steps: > > I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL until I had a > consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on its own > because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I didn't move on > from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That helps a > ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. > > Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first using my > old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute the LL. > There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all edges are > already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, instead of > trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the Fridrich > method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I went from 3 > min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. > > - Matt > > > On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve with a > > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I > > got my average under 60s. > > > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work out on > > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > > hang of them. > > > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this with > > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I understand > > exactly how it works. :) > > > > Jasmine > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > > > David > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > thebunze wrote: > > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > > learning the method there? > > > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > > in the past few days). My method is: > > > -Solve first 2 layers > > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 > > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > > methods. > > > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > > > minutes. > > > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > > > thanks!! > > > > > > -David > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Hey, not bad! I have only practiced it a little so far, and I just did it 4 times in a row in 10.63 seconds (with stopwatch). And on video I got a 2.00. My current top alg is still faster (9.89 and 1.67) but of course I've practiced that way more often. Thanks (also to Joel)! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > RUR'U' RU2 z'y' RUR' d' x L'U'LU L2 > > (now I'm sub3 for a 3 edge cycle, but if I count recognition...i'm > probably around 4 or maybe sub4 now:s) > > :-) > > Gilles. > > 2006/1/6, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Very nice trick, and nice U2 finger trick too ! :D > > > > > > (btw, thx for your F-Perm, I averaged 3.09 yesterday :p) > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > What's that alg? I mean, 3.09 isn't fast, but if I remember correctly > > you also said an edge-3-cycle takes you 3 seconds ;-) > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Like I said, it's all personal preference. The way I see it, you have to do the Last Layer face up anyways so if you do the cross on the top you still have to flip everything over sooner or later, why not just start with the cross on the bottom and save yourself a step. Yes 42 algorithms is a lot but take your time learning them thoroughly. Actually, just today someone showed me another F2L method which is a bit more efficient. =D http://cubewhiz.com/f2l.html I made it into a printable page using the graphics from the speedcubing.com site: http://home.comcast.net/~djspazy/rubiks/f2l.html For people like you and I, we just want to focus on the FR: of each case. That is solving for the pair in the Front Right corner of the cube. Basically you see those moves inside the ( ), those are triggers. You can do those moves really really quickly with just a flick of your wrist. I personally think this method is far more efficient and quick and actually, if you slow down to observe what's happening, the algorithm is actually pretty much intuitive. If you notice, most of the cases have a mirror case. Like you look case #25 on cubewhiz site, it's mirror is case number 38. So 25 the pieces were on the right, now 38 theyre on the left flipped over the diagonal of the cube. So in most cases, by learning one of the algorithms, chances are you will know its mirror and so you actually learn 2. But do not attempt to memorize them all in a week. Do perhaps 4 a day on the weekdays, that's 20 which is a lot. Spend the week end reviewing all that you have learned. You don't want to learn them so fast that you end up forgetting them at the end. The point is to thoroughly learn them. The site also gives you algorithms for when the pair is in the FR: front left, BR: back right, BL: back left corner, but that is way too much memorization for now. In the future once you have mastered the FR, you might consider coming back to these because those are helpful in that you don't have to always rotate the cube so much to solve the FR corner. Once you identify a pair that goes in the BR corner, you don't have to rotate your cube so that the BR corner is in the FR position to solve it. Good luck. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > Mellowfreezer: Thanks! I currently solve the cross on the top of the cube, but I think I know what you mean how it would be easier to solve the first two layers simultaneously if all of the work you were doing was not at the bottom of the cube. Do you think that most people do it the bottom way? If so, i would trust their judgement and learn to do it that way. For the time being, I guess i'll just start doing it your way. > > Those algorithms look really intimidating; right now i'm able to solve the cube using a total of i think 9 algorithms... but I guess i should just start memorizing them? How long is this supposed to take me? :-) > > Thanks > > David > > > mellowfreezer <djspazy@c...> wrote: > David, I was about right where you are a month ago :). Get ready for > some major improvements in speed when you take this next step. > Basically you want the F2L right? What it does is it lets you insert a > corner and its corresponding edge piece at the same time, allowing you > to essentially do 2 layers at once. > > It depends on where you want the cross. Like the 1st step is always > just to solve the cross. I choose to solve the cross on the bottom > because then I'm looking for the F2L pairs on the top which is easier > to see. Some people choose to hold the cross in the left hand but I > don't really like that. I'm not saying you have to solve it on the > bottom but whatever you prefer, the F2L methods vary depending on that. > > Anyways, F2L for beginners, I started with the algorithms on > Speedcubing.com: http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l.html that page allows > you to choose the method for whatever side you prefer to solve the > cross. The site's nice because it gives you a printable page of the > algorithms with all of them on 1 single page so you can put it in your > pocket and what not. > > Don't worry about the 3 look and 4 look yet until you've somewhat > mastered the F2L. Those are methods to solving the last layer. I'm > assuming that you learned how to do the last layer by first flipping > the edges of the last layer up, moving them to their right places, > then moving the corners to their right places and then individually > flipping those up. Basically what these methods do is save you a lot > of time and a lot of moves. Basically you can just flip all the pieces > face up with 1 or 2 steps, and then move all the pieces to their right > places with the last step. Learning this is essential if you want to > cube in under 60 seconds although since there is much to memorize, I > would first learn the F2L. > > > > > The next step after you learn the F2L, is learning how to look ahead. > Basically to become efficient at the F2L you must be able to find the > next corner/edge pair while you're solving the 1st one. Like while > you're doing the cross you find the 1st corner/edge pair and the > moment you finish the cross you can go right into the F2L without > delay. While you're putting that pair in place, look for the next > pair, and the moment you're done with the 1st pair you can go right > into the 2nd pair without delay. To do this you must slow down your > F2L to give yourself time. Once you are able to look ahead, you can > start to speed up. > > I don't know how to do it myself and I'm starting to try it just a few > days ago but it's really hard. Does anyone have any tips for Matt and > I? I just can't seem to do it. I'm slowing down but I'm still > struggling to keep track of the pieces. Usually I've found either an > edge or a corner, but I don't see the 2nd piece until after I finish > inserting the current pair, which ruins the entire point really. > Usually I see the pair but because of the nature of the F2L method I > use, I think I know where it is but after I finish inserting the > current pair, I find that the piece is actually somewhere on the > bottom layer somewhere else. > > Phew that was long. Hope this helps you Matt and hope someone can help me! > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and second > layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not sure > which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any > suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to solve > F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with any of > the names of sites. > > > > Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", etc? > > > > Thanks! > > > > David > > Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was using your > method > > and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following steps: > > > > I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL until > I had a > > consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on its own > > because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I didn't > move on > > from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That > helps a > > ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. > > > > Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first > using my > > old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute the LL. > > There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all edges are > > already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, > instead of > > trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the Fridrich > > method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I > went from 3 > > min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. > > > > - Matt > > > > > > On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve > with a > > > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms until I > > > got my average under 60s. > > > > > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > > > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > > > > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that would be a > > > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work > out on > > > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you get the > > > hang of them. > > > > > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > > > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this > with > > > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I > understand > > > exactly how it works. :) > > > > > > Jasmine > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > > > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > thebunze wrote: > > > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > > > learning the method there? > > > > > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > > > in the past few days). My method is: > > > > -Solve first 2 layers > > > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > > > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in about 4 > > > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > > > methods. > > > > > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > > > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > > > > > thanks!! > > > > > > > > -David > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Yep. Can you also show a concise formula for three things, i.e. x, > y > > > and z? > > > > Px + (Pnotx * Py + (Pnoty* Pz)) > > > > That still seems not right, though. > > Why not? (True, it isn't, but why do *you* say so?) Actually I shouldn't have told you. I should let you do some verification yourself first. For example some general obvious tests. It's a probability, so it should be between 0 and 1. Obviously it's never less than 0, but it's easy to get it above 1. Also, symmetry. Choose three different values for x, y and z. Then change their order, e.g. swapping the values of x and y. The value should stay the same, but does it? Cheers! Stefan

Ok, let me tell you the rules I use: Edge on top or bottom layer: if U/D color is on U/D, the edge is correct. If F/B color is NOT on U/D, the edge is correct. Edge on middle layer: if U/D color is on L/R, the edge is correct. If F/B color is on F/B, the edge is correct. Believe me, with practice it gets easy. Oh, and how do you solve the cube normally? Starting with which color? Depending on this, you should change your way to do BLD...I start with white cross, and yellow is my LL color, so I use yellow on top and blue on front. But it's all personal preference. Pedro tehguardians <tehguardians@...> escreveu: my cubes color scheme is BOY. i use blue on top and white in front. i follow the threee rules that state: 1. if U/D colors are on F or B, those edges are incorrectly oriented. 2. if U/D colors are on U or D, those edges are correctly oriented. 3. if F/B colors are on U or D, those edges are incorrectly oriented. now doesnt that mean that if U/D colors are on L or R, they are correctly oriented? and does it mean that any middle layer edges already placed in the middle layer are correctly oriented?? SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" <tehguardians@y...> wrote: > > my cubes color scheme is BOY. i use blue on top and white in front. i > follow the threee rules that state: > 1. if U/D colors are on F or B, those edges are incorrectly oriented. > 2. if U/D colors are on U or D, those edges are correctly oriented. > 3. if F/B colors are on U or D, those edges are incorrectly oriented. How about ignoring those complicated rules? Replace it by a single simple one: An edge is correctly oriented if and only if its brightness direction is correct, i.e. its brighter sticker is adjacent to the brighter center. Cheers! Stefan

Apparently it is not said enough: Do not learn F2L by heart !!! You can look at the algs to help you figure out the pairing process but the F2L should be intuitive. My 2 cents, Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > Like I said, it's all personal preference. The way I see it, you have > to do the Last Layer face up anyways so if you do the cross on the top > you still have to flip everything over sooner or later, why not just > start with the cross on the bottom and save yourself a step. > > Yes 42 algorithms is a lot but take your time learning them > thoroughly. Actually, just today someone showed me another F2L method > which is a bit more efficient. =D http://cubewhiz.com/f2l.html > I made it into a printable page using the graphics from the > speedcubing.com site: http://home.comcast.net/~djspazy/rubiks/f2l.html > For people like you and I, we just want to focus on the FR: of each > case. That is solving for the pair in the Front Right corner of the cube. > > Basically you see those moves inside the ( ), those are triggers. You > can do those moves really really quickly with just a flick of your > wrist. I personally think this method is far more efficient and quick > and actually, if you slow down to observe what's happening, the > algorithm is actually pretty much intuitive. > > If you notice, most of the cases have a mirror case. Like you look > case #25 on cubewhiz site, it's mirror is case number 38. So 25 the > pieces were on the right, now 38 theyre on the left flipped over the > diagonal of the cube. So in most cases, by learning one of the > algorithms, chances are you will know its mirror and so you actually > learn 2. But do not attempt to memorize them all in a week. Do > perhaps 4 a day on the weekdays, that's 20 which is a lot. Spend the > week end reviewing all that you have learned. You don't want to learn > them so fast that you end up forgetting them at the end. The point is > to thoroughly learn them. > > The site also gives you algorithms for when the pair is in the FR: > front left, BR: back right, BL: back left corner, but that is way too > much memorization for now. In the future once you have mastered the > FR, you might consider coming back to these because those are helpful > in that you don't have to always rotate the cube so much to solve the > FR corner. Once you identify a pair that goes in the BR corner, you > don't have to rotate your cube so that the BR corner is in the FR > position to solve it. > > Good luck. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > Mellowfreezer: Thanks! I currently solve the cross on the top of the > cube, but I think I know what you mean how it would be easier to solve > the first two layers simultaneously if all of the work you were doing > was not at the bottom of the cube. Do you think that most people do it > the bottom way? If so, i would trust their judgement and learn to do > it that way. For the time being, I guess i'll just start doing it your > way. > > > > Those algorithms look really intimidating; right now i'm able to > solve the cube using a total of i think 9 algorithms... but I guess i > should just start memorizing them? How long is this supposed to take > me? :-) > > > > Thanks > > > > David > > > > > > mellowfreezer <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > David, I was about right where you are a month ago :). Get ready for > > some major improvements in speed when you take this next step. > > Basically you want the F2L right? What it does is it lets you insert a > > corner and its corresponding edge piece at the same time, allowing you > > to essentially do 2 layers at once. > > > > It depends on where you want the cross. Like the 1st step is always > > just to solve the cross. I choose to solve the cross on the bottom > > because then I'm looking for the F2L pairs on the top which is easier > > to see. Some people choose to hold the cross in the left hand but I > > don't really like that. I'm not saying you have to solve it on the > > bottom but whatever you prefer, the F2L methods vary depending on that. > > > > Anyways, F2L for beginners, I started with the algorithms on > > Speedcubing.com: http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l.html that page allows > > you to choose the method for whatever side you prefer to solve the > > cross. The site's nice because it gives you a printable page of the > > algorithms with all of them on 1 single page so you can put it in your > > pocket and what not. > > > > Don't worry about the 3 look and 4 look yet until you've somewhat > > mastered the F2L. Those are methods to solving the last layer. I'm > > assuming that you learned how to do the last layer by first flipping > > the edges of the last layer up, moving them to their right places, > > then moving the corners to their right places and then individually > > flipping those up. Basically what these methods do is save you a lot > > of time and a lot of moves. Basically you can just flip all the pieces > > face up with 1 or 2 steps, and then move all the pieces to their right > > places with the last step. Learning this is essential if you want to > > cube in under 60 seconds although since there is much to memorize, I > > would first learn the F2L. > > > > > > > > > > The next step after you learn the F2L, is learning how to look ahead. > > Basically to become efficient at the F2L you must be able to find the > > next corner/edge pair while you're solving the 1st one. Like while > > you're doing the cross you find the 1st corner/edge pair and the > > moment you finish the cross you can go right into the F2L without > > delay. While you're putting that pair in place, look for the next > > pair, and the moment you're done with the 1st pair you can go right > > into the 2nd pair without delay. To do this you must slow down your > > F2L to give yourself time. Once you are able to look ahead, you can > > start to speed up. > > > > I don't know how to do it myself and I'm starting to try it just a few > > days ago but it's really hard. Does anyone have any tips for Matt and > > I? I just can't seem to do it. I'm slowing down but I'm still > > struggling to keep track of the pieces. Usually I've found either an > > edge or a corner, but I don't see the 2nd piece until after I finish > > inserting the current pair, which ruins the entire point really. > > Usually I see the pair but because of the nature of the F2L method I > > use, I think I know where it is but after I finish inserting the > > current pair, I find that the piece is actually somewhere on the > > bottom layer somewhere else. > > > > Phew that was long. Hope this helps you Matt and hope someone can > help me! > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and second > > layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not sure > > which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any > > suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to solve > > F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with any of > > the names of sites. > > > > > > Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", etc? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > David > > > Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was using your > > method > > > and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following steps: > > > > > > I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL until > > I had a > > > consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on its own > > > because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I didn't > > move on > > > from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That > > helps a > > > ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. > > > > > > Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first > > using my > > > old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute > the LL. > > > There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all > edges are > > > already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, > > instead of > > > trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the Fridrich > > > method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I > > went from 3 > > > min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve > > with a > > > > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms > until I > > > > got my average under 60s. > > > > > > > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > > > > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > > > > > > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that > would be a > > > > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work > > out on > > > > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you > get the > > > > hang of them. > > > > > > > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > > > > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this > > with > > > > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I > > understand > > > > exactly how it works. :) > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > > > > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > > > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > > > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > > > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > > > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > > > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > > > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > > > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > > > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > > > > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > thebunze wrote: > > > > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > > > > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > > > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > > > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > > > > learning the method there? > > > > > > > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > > > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > > > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > > > > in the past few days). My method is: > > > > > -Solve first 2 layers > > > > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > > > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > > > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > > > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > > > > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is > > > > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > > > > cutting down time doing the first layer. 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But the site makes so much sense! It practically gives you the intuitive steps! Well actually I'm beginning to see your point. I'm experimenting with the F2L myself only occasionally glancing at the site. I am already beginning to see what to do without having even memorized any algorithms. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Apparently it is not said enough: Do not learn F2L by heart !!! > > You can look at the algs to help you figure out the pairing process > but the F2L should be intuitive. > > My 2 cents, > > Sven > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" > <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > > Like I said, it's all personal preference. The way I see it, you have > > to do the Last Layer face up anyways so if you do the cross on the top > > you still have to flip everything over sooner or later, why not just > > start with the cross on the bottom and save yourself a step. > > > > Yes 42 algorithms is a lot but take your time learning them > > thoroughly. Actually, just today someone showed me another F2L method > > which is a bit more efficient. =D http://cubewhiz.com/f2l.html > > I made it into a printable page using the graphics from the > > speedcubing.com site: http://home.comcast.net/~djspazy/rubiks/f2l.html > > For people like you and I, we just want to focus on the FR: of each > > case. That is solving for the pair in the Front Right corner of the > cube. > > > > Basically you see those moves inside the ( ), those are triggers. You > > can do those moves really really quickly with just a flick of your > > wrist. I personally think this method is far more efficient and quick > > and actually, if you slow down to observe what's happening, the > > algorithm is actually pretty much intuitive. > > > > If you notice, most of the cases have a mirror case. Like you look > > case #25 on cubewhiz site, it's mirror is case number 38. So 25 the > > pieces were on the right, now 38 theyre on the left flipped over the > > diagonal of the cube. So in most cases, by learning one of the > > algorithms, chances are you will know its mirror and so you actually > > learn 2. But do not attempt to memorize them all in a week. Do > > perhaps 4 a day on the weekdays, that's 20 which is a lot. Spend the > > week end reviewing all that you have learned. You don't want to learn > > them so fast that you end up forgetting them at the end. The point is > > to thoroughly learn them. > > > > The site also gives you algorithms for when the pair is in the FR: > > front left, BR: back right, BL: back left corner, but that is way too > > much memorization for now. In the future once you have mastered the > > FR, you might consider coming back to these because those are helpful > > in that you don't have to always rotate the cube so much to solve the > > FR corner. Once you identify a pair that goes in the BR corner, you > > don't have to rotate your cube so that the BR corner is in the FR > > position to solve it. > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Mellowfreezer: Thanks! I currently solve the cross on the top of the > > cube, but I think I know what you mean how it would be easier to solve > > the first two layers simultaneously if all of the work you were doing > > was not at the bottom of the cube. Do you think that most people do it > > the bottom way? If so, i would trust their judgement and learn to do > > it that way. For the time being, I guess i'll just start doing it your > > way. > > > > > > Those algorithms look really intimidating; right now i'm able to > > solve the cube using a total of i think 9 algorithms... but I guess i > > should just start memorizing them? How long is this supposed to take > > me? :-) > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > mellowfreezer <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > David, I was about right where you are a month ago :). Get ready for > > > some major improvements in speed when you take this next step. > > > Basically you want the F2L right? What it does is it lets you insert a > > > corner and its corresponding edge piece at the same time, allowing you > > > to essentially do 2 layers at once. > > > > > > It depends on where you want the cross. Like the 1st step is always > > > just to solve the cross. I choose to solve the cross on the bottom > > > because then I'm looking for the F2L pairs on the top which is easier > > > to see. Some people choose to hold the cross in the left hand but I > > > don't really like that. I'm not saying you have to solve it on the > > > bottom but whatever you prefer, the F2L methods vary depending on > that. > > > > > > Anyways, F2L for beginners, I started with the algorithms on > > > Speedcubing.com: http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l.html that page allows > > > you to choose the method for whatever side you prefer to solve the > > > cross. The site's nice because it gives you a printable page of the > > > algorithms with all of them on 1 single page so you can put it in your > > > pocket and what not. > > > > > > Don't worry about the 3 look and 4 look yet until you've somewhat > > > mastered the F2L. Those are methods to solving the last layer. I'm > > > assuming that you learned how to do the last layer by first flipping > > > the edges of the last layer up, moving them to their right places, > > > then moving the corners to their right places and then individually > > > flipping those up. Basically what these methods do is save you a lot > > > of time and a lot of moves. Basically you can just flip all the pieces > > > face up with 1 or 2 steps, and then move all the pieces to their right > > > places with the last step. Learning this is essential if you want to > > > cube in under 60 seconds although since there is much to memorize, I > > > would first learn the F2L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next step after you learn the F2L, is learning how to look ahead. > > > Basically to become efficient at the F2L you must be able to find the > > > next corner/edge pair while you're solving the 1st one. Like while > > > you're doing the cross you find the 1st corner/edge pair and the > > > moment you finish the cross you can go right into the F2L without > > > delay. While you're putting that pair in place, look for the next > > > pair, and the moment you're done with the 1st pair you can go right > > > into the 2nd pair without delay. To do this you must slow down your > > > F2L to give yourself time. Once you are able to look ahead, you can > > > start to speed up. > > > > > > I don't know how to do it myself and I'm starting to try it just a few > > > days ago but it's really hard. Does anyone have any tips for Matt and > > > I? I just can't seem to do it. I'm slowing down but I'm still > > > struggling to keep track of the pieces. Usually I've found either an > > > edge or a corner, but I don't see the 2nd piece until after I finish > > > inserting the current pair, which ruins the entire point really. > > > Usually I see the pair but because of the nature of the F2L method I > > > use, I think I know where it is but after I finish inserting the > > > current pair, I find that the piece is actually somewhere on the > > > bottom layer somewhere else. > > > > > > Phew that was long. Hope this helps you Matt and hope someone can > > help me! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and second > > > layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not sure > > > which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any > > > suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to solve > > > F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with any of > > > the names of sites. > > > > > > > > Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", > etc? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > David > > > > Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > > Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was using your > > > method > > > > and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following > steps: > > > > > > > > I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL until > > > I had a > > > > consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on > its own > > > > because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I didn't > > > move on > > > > from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That > > > helps a > > > > ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. > > > > > > > > Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first > > > using my > > > > old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute > > the LL. > > > > There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all > > edges are > > > > already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, > > > instead of > > > > trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the > Fridrich > > > > method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I > > > went from 3 > > > > min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. > > > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve > > > with a > > > > > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms > > until I > > > > > got my average under 60s. > > > > > > > > > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > > > > > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > > > > > > > > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that > > would be a > > > > > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work > > > out on > > > > > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you > > get the > > > > > hang of them. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > > > > > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this > > > with > > > > > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I > > > understand > > > > > exactly how it works. :) > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > > > > > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > > > > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > > > > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > > > > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > > > > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > > > > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > > > > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > > > > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > > > > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > > > > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > thebunze wrote: > > > > > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > > > > > > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > > > > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > > > > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > > > > > learning the method there? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > > > > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > > > > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > > > > > in the past few days). 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I'm only giving 1 cent...don't want to give even 2 cents...and If I go for 2 I'll give you 25...so anyways... I just learn F2L not long ago...and am starting to get fairly decent with it...need to learn to lookahead better and stuff...but that obviously comes with time...I was planning on locking myself in my room one day and learning them...but then I was told otherwise...and now I know intuitive...its much better...you get used to the cases too so you are pretty much executing algorithms...and if you just blindly memorise the algorithms then you won't use Empty Slots and other fun stuff...but you know...go ahead...learn algs and take >40 moves for F2L every solve...have fun :) If anyone wants to hear my other few cents...you know where to find me, e-mail, Yahoo, MSN... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > But the site makes so much sense! It practically gives you the > intuitive steps! Well actually I'm beginning to see your point. I'm > experimenting with the F2L myself only occasionally glancing at the > site. I am already beginning to see what to do without having even > memorized any algorithms. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > > > Apparently it is not said enough: Do not learn F2L by heart !!! > > > > You can look at the algs to help you figure out the pairing process > > but the F2L should be intuitive. > > > > My 2 cents, > > > > Sven > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" > > <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Like I said, it's all personal preference. The way I see it, you have > > > to do the Last Layer face up anyways so if you do the cross on the top > > > you still have to flip everything over sooner or later, why not just > > > start with the cross on the bottom and save yourself a step. > > > > > > Yes 42 algorithms is a lot but take your time learning them > > > thoroughly. Actually, just today someone showed me another F2L method > > > which is a bit more efficient. =D http://cubewhiz.com/f2l.html > > > I made it into a printable page using the graphics from the > > > speedcubing.com site: http://home.comcast.net/~djspazy/rubiks/f2l.html > > > For people like you and I, we just want to focus on the FR: of each > > > case. That is solving for the pair in the Front Right corner of the > > cube. > > > > > > Basically you see those moves inside the ( ), those are triggers. You > > > can do those moves really really quickly with just a flick of your > > > wrist. I personally think this method is far more efficient and quick > > > and actually, if you slow down to observe what's happening, the > > > algorithm is actually pretty much intuitive. > > > > > > If you notice, most of the cases have a mirror case. Like you look > > > case #25 on cubewhiz site, it's mirror is case number 38. So 25 the > > > pieces were on the right, now 38 theyre on the left flipped over the > > > diagonal of the cube. So in most cases, by learning one of the > > > algorithms, chances are you will know its mirror and so you actually > > > learn 2. But do not attempt to memorize them all in a week. Do > > > perhaps 4 a day on the weekdays, that's 20 which is a lot. Spend the > > > week end reviewing all that you have learned. You don't want to learn > > > them so fast that you end up forgetting them at the end. The point is > > > to thoroughly learn them. > > > > > > The site also gives you algorithms for when the pair is in the FR: > > > front left, BR: back right, BL: back left corner, but that is way too > > > much memorization for now. In the future once you have mastered the > > > FR, you might consider coming back to these because those are helpful > > > in that you don't have to always rotate the cube so much to solve the > > > FR corner. Once you identify a pair that goes in the BR corner, you > > > don't have to rotate your cube so that the BR corner is in the FR > > > position to solve it. > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mellowfreezer: Thanks! I currently solve the cross on the top of the > > > cube, but I think I know what you mean how it would be easier to solve > > > the first two layers simultaneously if all of the work you were doing > > > was not at the bottom of the cube. Do you think that most people do it > > > the bottom way? If so, i would trust their judgement and learn to do > > > it that way. For the time being, I guess i'll just start doing it your > > > way. > > > > > > > > Those algorithms look really intimidating; right now i'm able to > > > solve the cube using a total of i think 9 algorithms... but I guess i > > > should just start memorizing them? How long is this supposed to take > > > me? :-) > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > mellowfreezer <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > > David, I was about right where you are a month ago :). Get > ready for > > > > some major improvements in speed when you take this next step. > > > > Basically you want the F2L right? What it does is it lets you > insert a > > > > corner and its corresponding edge piece at the same time, > allowing you > > > > to essentially do 2 layers at once. > > > > > > > > It depends on where you want the cross. Like the 1st step is always > > > > just to solve the cross. I choose to solve the cross on the bottom > > > > because then I'm looking for the F2L pairs on the top which is > easier > > > > to see. Some people choose to hold the cross in the left hand but I > > > > don't really like that. I'm not saying you have to solve it on the > > > > bottom but whatever you prefer, the F2L methods vary depending on > > that. > > > > > > > > Anyways, F2L for beginners, I started with the algorithms on > > > > Speedcubing.com: http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l.html that page > allows > > > > you to choose the method for whatever side you prefer to solve the > > > > cross. The site's nice because it gives you a printable page of the > > > > algorithms with all of them on 1 single page so you can put it > in your > > > > pocket and what not. > > > > > > > > Don't worry about the 3 look and 4 look yet until you've somewhat > > > > mastered the F2L. Those are methods to solving the last layer. I'm > > > > assuming that you learned how to do the last layer by first flipping > > > > the edges of the last layer up, moving them to their right places, > > > > then moving the corners to their right places and then individually > > > > flipping those up. Basically what these methods do is save you a lot > > > > of time and a lot of moves. Basically you can just flip all the > pieces > > > > face up with 1 or 2 steps, and then move all the pieces to their > right > > > > places with the last step. Learning this is essential if you want to > > > > cube in under 60 seconds although since there is much to memorize, I > > > > would first learn the F2L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next step after you learn the F2L, is learning how to look > ahead. > > > > Basically to become efficient at the F2L you must be able to > find the > > > > next corner/edge pair while you're solving the 1st one. Like while > > > > you're doing the cross you find the 1st corner/edge pair and the > > > > moment you finish the cross you can go right into the F2L without > > > > delay. While you're putting that pair in place, look for the next > > > > pair, and the moment you're done with the 1st pair you can go right > > > > into the 2nd pair without delay. To do this you must slow down your > > > > F2L to give yourself time. Once you are able to look ahead, you can > > > > start to speed up. > > > > > > > > I don't know how to do it myself and I'm starting to try it just > a few > > > > days ago but it's really hard. Does anyone have any tips for > Matt and > > > > I? I just can't seem to do it. I'm slowing down but I'm still > > > > struggling to keep track of the pieces. Usually I've found either an > > > > edge or a corner, but I don't see the 2nd piece until after I finish > > > > inserting the current pair, which ruins the entire point really. > > > > Usually I see the pair but because of the nature of the F2L method I > > > > use, I think I know where it is but after I finish inserting the > > > > current pair, I find that the piece is actually somewhere on the > > > > bottom layer somewhere else. > > > > > > > > Phew that was long. Hope this helps you Matt and hope someone can > > > help me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > > > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and second > > > > layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not sure > > > > which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any > > > > suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to solve > > > > F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with > any of > > > > the names of sites. > > > > > > > > > > Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", > > etc? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > > > Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was > using your > > > > method > > > > > and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following > > steps: > > > > > > > > > > I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL > until > > > > I had a > > > > > consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on > > its own > > > > > because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I > didn't > > > > move on > > > > > from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That > > > > helps a > > > > > ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. > > > > > > > > > > Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first > > > > using my > > > > > old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute > > > the LL. > > > > > There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all > > > edges are > > > > > already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, > > > > instead of > > > > > trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the > > Fridrich > > > > > method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I > > > > went from 3 > > > > > min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. > > > > > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to > solve > > > > with a > > > > > > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms > > > until I > > > > > > got my average under 60s. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. > I've seen > > > > > > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that > > > would be a > > > > > > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to > work > > > > out on > > > > > > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you > > > get the > > > > > > hang of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > > > > > > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly > about this > > > > with > > > > > > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I > > > > understand > > > > > > exactly how it works. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > > > > > > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely > ridiculous to > > > > > > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > > > > > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew > exactly > > > > > > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > > > > > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > > > > > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys > use... the > > > > > > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > > > > > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > > > > > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thebunze wrote: > > > > > > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 > seconds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > > > > > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > > > > > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > > > > > > learning the method there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > > > > > > consistently without having to look at any references > (thanks to > > > > > > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my > questions > > > > > > > in the past few days). My method is: > > > > > > > -Solve first 2 layers > > > > > > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > > > > > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > > > > > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > > > > > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know > there is > > > > > > > little I can do besides getting faster with my algorithms and > > > > > > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in > about 4 > > > > > > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > > > > > > methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I > > > > > > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > > > > > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -David > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > > > > > [2]http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! 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Oh its you, hahahaha I did what you told me not to do. But the thing is, for beginners, the F2L isn't exactly intuitive if you've never done it before. At least get some experience, some sense of the F2L before you go and experiment on your own. True, I don't know how use empty slots, as a matter of fact I don't even know what it is, but I still wouldn't be able to even if I hadn't looked at the site. Haha if the F2L was intuitive without looking at algorithms, then solving the rubik's cube wouldn't be very special because everyone would be able to do it. Btw, I am very interested to hear about how to do the F2L in under 40 moves o.O --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > I'm only giving 1 cent...don't want to give even 2 cents...and If I go > for 2 I'll give you 25...so anyways... > > I just learn F2L not long ago...and am starting to get fairly decent > with it...need to learn to lookahead better and stuff...but that > obviously comes with time...I was planning on locking myself in my > room one day and learning them...but then I was told otherwise...and > now I know intuitive...its much better...you get used to the cases too > so you are pretty much executing algorithms...and if you just blindly > memorise the algorithms then you won't use Empty Slots and other fun > stuff...but you know...go ahead...learn algs and take >40 moves for > F2L every solve...have fun :) If anyone wants to hear my other few > cents...you know where to find me, e-mail, Yahoo, MSN... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" > <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > > But the site makes so much sense! It practically gives you the > > intuitive steps! Well actually I'm beginning to see your point. I'm > > experimenting with the F2L myself only occasionally glancing at the > > site. I am already beginning to see what to do without having even > > memorized any algorithms. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Apparently it is not said enough: Do not learn F2L by heart !!! > > > > > > You can look at the algs to help you figure out the pairing process > > > but the F2L should be intuitive. > > > > > > My 2 cents, > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" > > > <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Like I said, it's all personal preference. The way I see it, you > have > > > > to do the Last Layer face up anyways so if you do the cross on > the top > > > > you still have to flip everything over sooner or later, why not just > > > > start with the cross on the bottom and save yourself a step. > > > > > > > > Yes 42 algorithms is a lot but take your time learning them > > > > thoroughly. Actually, just today someone showed me another F2L > method > > > > which is a bit more efficient. =D http://cubewhiz.com/f2l.html > > > > I made it into a printable page using the graphics from the > > > > speedcubing.com site: > http://home.comcast.net/~djspazy/rubiks/f2l.html > > > > For people like you and I, we just want to focus on the FR: of each > > > > case. That is solving for the pair in the Front Right corner of the > > > cube. > > > > > > > > Basically you see those moves inside the ( ), those are > triggers. You > > > > can do those moves really really quickly with just a flick of your > > > > wrist. I personally think this method is far more efficient and > quick > > > > and actually, if you slow down to observe what's happening, the > > > > algorithm is actually pretty much intuitive. > > > > > > > > If you notice, most of the cases have a mirror case. Like you look > > > > case #25 on cubewhiz site, it's mirror is case number 38. So 25 the > > > > pieces were on the right, now 38 theyre on the left flipped over the > > > > diagonal of the cube. So in most cases, by learning one of the > > > > algorithms, chances are you will know its mirror and so you actually > > > > learn 2. But do not attempt to memorize them all in a week. Do > > > > perhaps 4 a day on the weekdays, that's 20 which is a lot. Spend the > > > > week end reviewing all that you have learned. You don't want to > learn > > > > them so fast that you end up forgetting them at the end. The > point is > > > > to thoroughly learn them. > > > > > > > > The site also gives you algorithms for when the pair is in the FR: > > > > front left, BR: back right, BL: back left corner, but that is > way too > > > > much memorization for now. In the future once you have mastered the > > > > FR, you might consider coming back to these because those are > helpful > > > > in that you don't have to always rotate the cube so much to > solve the > > > > FR corner. Once you identify a pair that goes in the BR corner, you > > > > don't have to rotate your cube so that the BR corner is in the FR > > > > position to solve it. > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > > > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mellowfreezer: Thanks! I currently solve the cross on the top > of the > > > > cube, but I think I know what you mean how it would be easier to > solve > > > > the first two layers simultaneously if all of the work you were > doing > > > > was not at the bottom of the cube. Do you think that most people > do it > > > > the bottom way? If so, i would trust their judgement and learn to do > > > > it that way. For the time being, I guess i'll just start doing > it your > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > Those algorithms look really intimidating; right now i'm able to > > > > solve the cube using a total of i think 9 algorithms... but I > guess i > > > > should just start memorizing them? How long is this supposed to take > > > > me? :-) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mellowfreezer <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > > > David, I was about right where you are a month ago :). Get > > ready for > > > > > some major improvements in speed when you take this next step. > > > > > Basically you want the F2L right? What it does is it lets you > > insert a > > > > > corner and its corresponding edge piece at the same time, > > allowing you > > > > > to essentially do 2 layers at once. > > > > > > > > > > It depends on where you want the cross. Like the 1st step is > always > > > > > just to solve the cross. I choose to solve the cross on the bottom > > > > > because then I'm looking for the F2L pairs on the top which is > > easier > > > > > to see. Some people choose to hold the cross in the left hand > but I > > > > > don't really like that. I'm not saying you have to solve it on the > > > > > bottom but whatever you prefer, the F2L methods vary depending on > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, F2L for beginners, I started with the algorithms on > > > > > Speedcubing.com: http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l.html that page > > allows > > > > > you to choose the method for whatever side you prefer to solve the > > > > > cross. The site's nice because it gives you a printable page > of the > > > > > algorithms with all of them on 1 single page so you can put it > > in your > > > > > pocket and what not. > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry about the 3 look and 4 look yet until you've somewhat > > > > > mastered the F2L. Those are methods to solving the last layer. I'm > > > > > assuming that you learned how to do the last layer by first > flipping > > > > > the edges of the last layer up, moving them to their right places, > > > > > then moving the corners to their right places and then > individually > > > > > flipping those up. Basically what these methods do is save you > a lot > > > > > of time and a lot of moves. Basically you can just flip all the > > pieces > > > > > face up with 1 or 2 steps, and then move all the pieces to their > > right > > > > > places with the last step. Learning this is essential if you > want to > > > > > cube in under 60 seconds although since there is much to > memorize, I > > > > > would first learn the F2L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next step after you learn the F2L, is learning how to look > > ahead. > > > > > Basically to become efficient at the F2L you must be able to > > find the > > > > > next corner/edge pair while you're solving the 1st one. Like while > > > > > you're doing the cross you find the 1st corner/edge pair and the > > > > > moment you finish the cross you can go right into the F2L without > > > > > delay. While you're putting that pair in place, look for the next > > > > > pair, and the moment you're done with the 1st pair you can go > right > > > > > into the 2nd pair without delay. To do this you must slow down > your > > > > > F2L to give yourself time. Once you are able to look ahead, > you can > > > > > start to speed up. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to do it myself and I'm starting to try it just > > a few > > > > > days ago but it's really hard. Does anyone have any tips for > > Matt and > > > > > I? I just can't seem to do it. I'm slowing down but I'm still > > > > > struggling to keep track of the pieces. Usually I've found > either an > > > > > edge or a corner, but I don't see the 2nd piece until after I > finish > > > > > inserting the current pair, which ruins the entire point really. > > > > > Usually I see the pair but because of the nature of the F2L > method I > > > > > use, I think I know where it is but after I finish inserting the > > > > > current pair, I find that the piece is actually somewhere on the > > > > > bottom layer somewhere else. > > > > > > > > > > Phew that was long. Hope this helps you Matt and hope someone can > > > > help me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > > > > <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and > second > > > > > layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not > sure > > > > > which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any > > > > > suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to > solve > > > > > F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with > > any of > > > > > the names of sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", > > > etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was > > using your > > > > > method > > > > > > and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following > > > steps: > > > > > > > > > > > > I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL > > until > > > > > I had a > > > > > > consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on > > > its own > > > > > > because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I > > didn't > > > > > move on > > > > > > from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. > That > > > > > helps a > > > > > > ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges > first > > > > > using my > > > > > > old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute > > > > the LL. > > > > > > There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all > > > > edges are > > > > > > already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, > > > > > instead of > > > > > > trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the > > > Fridrich > > > > > > method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I > > > > > went from 3 > > > > > > min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <speedcuber@f...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to > > solve > > > > > with a > > > > > > > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms > > > > until I > > > > > > > got my average under 60s. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. > > I've seen > > > > > > > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that > > > > would be a > > > > > > > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to > > work > > > > > out on > > > > > > > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you > > > > get the > > > > > > > hang of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to > another > > > > > > > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly > > about this > > > > > with > > > > > > > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I > > > > > understand > > > > > > > exactly how it works. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > > > > > > > <ladartfrog@y...> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely > > ridiculous to > > > > > > > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > > > > > > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew > > exactly > > > > > > > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm > doing it > > > > > > > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > > > > > > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys > > use... the > > > > > > > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > > > > > > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather > not try > > > > > > > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thebunze wrote: > > > > > > > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 > > seconds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > > > > > > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > > > > > > > just going to > [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > > > > > > > learning the method there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > > > > > > > consistently without having to look at any references > > (thanks to > > > > > > > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my > > questions > > > > > > > > in the past few days). My method is: > > > > > > > > -Solve first 2 layers > > > > > > > > -Solve the cross of the bottom layer > > > > > > > > -Get the LL corners in the right place > > > > > > > > -Get the LL corners rotated correctly > > > > > > > > -Switch any incorrect corners > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know > > there is > > > > > > > > little I can do besides getting faster with my > algorithms and > > > > > > > > cutting down time doing the first layer. I can do it in > > about 4 > > > > > > > > minutes usually, but I want to start learning more advanced > > > > > > > > methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, > but I > > > > > > > > would like to at least get my average down to 90 seconds > or 2 > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the most common methods that you guys use, how > > > > > > > > difficult are they to learn and use, and how fast are they? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -David > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > > around > > > > > > > > [2]http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! 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could you visualize this as: if one turn (either quarter or half) will make the color line up to its respective center, then it is oriented correctly thats what i gather from this post, but i don't actually know how to blindfold solve the cube by myself --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" > <tehguardians@y...> wrote: > > > > my cubes color scheme is BOY. i use blue on top and white in front. > i > > follow the threee rules that state: > > 1. if U/D colors are on F or B, those edges are incorrectly > oriented. > > 2. if U/D colors are on U or D, those edges are correctly oriented. > > 3. if F/B colors are on U or D, those edges are incorrectly > oriented. > > > How about ignoring those complicated rules? Replace it by a single > simple one: An edge is correctly oriented if and only if its > brightness direction is correct, i.e. its brighter sticker is adjacent > to the brighter center. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

No, doesn't work...try it on any cube...it works that if you turn a face it is solved, but you aren't just turning a face cuz you have to do everything in a different manner...you orient everything first...then permute them...so everything must be oriented before permuted, therefore you need to know which ones need to be oriented and orient them...and you have to do that in their respective positions...unless of course your name is Stefan Pochmann and none of these rules apply to you :p Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "invisible000man" <invisible000man@g...> wrote: > > could you visualize this as: > if one turn (either quarter or half) will make the color line up to > its respective center, then it is oriented correctly > > thats what i gather from this post, but i don't actually know how to > blindfold solve the cube by myself > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" > > <tehguardians@y...> wrote: > > > > > > my cubes color scheme is BOY. i use blue on top and white in > front. > > i > > > follow the threee rules that state: > > > 1. if U/D colors are on F or B, those edges are incorrectly > > oriented. > > > 2. if U/D colors are on U or D, those edges are correctly > oriented. > > > 3. if F/B colors are on U or D, those edges are incorrectly > > oriented. > > > > > > How about ignoring those complicated rules? Replace it by a single > > simple one: An edge is correctly oriented if and only if its > > brightness direction is correct, i.e. its brighter sticker is > adjacent > > to the brighter center. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: invisible000man To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: i cant learn to blindfold >could you visualize this as: >if one turn (either quarter or half) will make the color line up to >its respective center, then it is oriented correctly What you said is correct just as long as you restrict L, L', R, and R'. Anthony Hsu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey again everyone! I'm back from vacation and just finished catching up on the over 900 posts I was behind on (I've been reading for several hours straight lol)! I wanted to write to wish everyone a belated Happy Holidays (insert the holiday you celebrate here :-) and a very Happy New Year! It felt wonderful being on vacation and away from technology and my usual routine, but it does feel good to be back. Happy cubing all! Chris

First of all, I never really introduced myself, but I'm a new cuber who joined this group about a week ago... my name is David, i'm 17 from Ohio/USA, and learned how to solve a rubik's cube (using a cheat-sheet for algs) on Christmas (although I had my cube before then). I did 12 in a row today to find my average time, which is 2:41 at the moment. Anyways, I want to get faster.. at least to be able to solve the cube in a minute. A few questions. First of all, from what people here have told me, I need to learn how to solve F2L in one step. Currently I do all 3 layers seperately. I printed of all 41 algs from speedcubing.com, but I have been told that I should know how to do it intuitively. With that in mind, what is the best way of learning how to do the F2L simultaneously? The way I see it, there should be a way to learn a smaller number of algs and then learn how to position the cubes so that those algs can be used.. maybe that woudlnt' work though. Anyways, let me know what methods you guys used for mastering F2L. Second question: is this a good method for last layer? -Cross -Permute corners -Orient corners -Permute edges -(Orient edges; i almost never have situations where the edges are in the right place but oriented wrong) Third question: are there any algs to rotate 1 corner (i know that it would also have to move edges, b/c it's not possible to rotate just one piece) What about rotate 2 adjacent corners, or 2 opposite corners? I currently have one alg, which rotates all of the corners except front left; it is inefficient and I sometimes have to execute it as many as 5 times to orient all of the corners. Fourth question -- any other general tips on getting faster? Thanks a lot, and thanks to all the people who've helped me so far! David --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > First of all, I never really introduced myself, but I'm a new cuber who joined this group about a week ago... my name is David, i'm 17 from Ohio/USA, and learned how to solve a rubik's cube (using a cheat-sheet for algs) on Christmas (although I had my cube before then). I did 12 in a row today to find my average time, which is 2:41 at the moment. > > Anyways, I want to get faster.. at least to be able to solve the cube in a minute. > > A few questions. RUR' and RU'R'. Do those to your cube and learn how an why they work. That is the goal state for each corner/edge pair. Play around with the cube trying to transform each case that comes up into one of those, ready for insertion. > Second question: is this a good method for last layer? > -Cross > -Permute corners > -Orient corners > -Permute edges > -(Orient edges; i almost never have situations where the edges are in the right place but oriented wrong) The last step (orienting edges again) is completely unnecessary. But other than that, yes, it's a good method. Using this, you can achieve times in the 16's. Many people will tell you that orienting corners before permuting them is better because it leads into learning PLL. Keeping the order this way leads better into COLL. It's all a matter of preference. > Third question: are there any algs to rotate 1 corner (i know that it would also have to move edges, b/c it's not possible to rotate just one piece) What about rotate 2 adjacent corners, or 2 opposite corners? I currently have one alg, which rotates all of the corners except front left; it is inefficient and I sometimes have to execute it as many as 5 times to orient all of the corners. You cannot rotate a single corner. You also cannot flip a lone edge. Twisting them and shuffling them around are completely separate. You can have one without the other quite easily. Also, if you learn how to perform the mirror of the alg you know (L'U'LU'L'U2L compared to RUR'URU2R') you can complete any possible orientation in two algs. Learning shorter algs for a couple of cases is helpful and simple. They're really just extensions of the basic alg you already know. > Fourth question -- any other general tips on getting faster? Learn why the things you do to the cube work the way they do. It makes recalling things so much easier during solves. Stay calm, and go slowly. But most importantly, have fun. > David -Mike

Mike Bennett <mikebennett_one@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > First of all, I never really introduced myself, but I'm a new cuber who joined this group about a week ago... my name is David, i'm 17 from Ohio/USA, and learned how to solve a rubik's cube (using a cheat-sheet for algs) on Christmas (although I had my cube before then). I did 12 in a row today to find my average time, which is 2:41 at the moment. > > Anyways, I want to get faster.. at least to be able to solve the cube in a minute. > > A few questions. RUR' and RU'R'. Do those to your cube and learn how an why they work. That is the goal state for each corner/edge pair. Play around with the cube trying to transform each case that comes up into one of those, ready for insertion. >>>>>I shall play around with those patterns and try to understand them, but I did it a few times and nothing seems to click.. I'm not really sure what I'm aiming for here. > Second question: is this a good method for last layer? > -Cross > -Permute corners > -Orient corners > -Permute edges > -(Orient edges; i almost never have situations where the edges are in the right place but oriented wrong) The last step (orienting edges again) is completely unnecessary. But other than that, yes, it's a good method. Using this, you can achieve times in the 16's. Many people will tell you that orienting corners before permuting them is better because it leads into learning PLL. Keeping the order this way leads better into COLL. It's all a matter of preference. It's possible to get under 20 seconds with this method? That seems ridiculous! I know my algs (i only have about 10 of them) pretty well, and I don't do too much thinking, and as I said, the average I took today was 2:41. I suppose after learning how to do F2L, and learning some more algs for LL, I could cut down to times like that.... I was always under the impression that the people who solved it in sub-20 used some sort of strange technique which involved lots of both genius and memorization -_- > Third question: are there any algs to rotate 1 corner (i know that it would also have to move edges, b/c it's not possible to rotate just one piece) What about rotate 2 adjacent corners, or 2 opposite corners? I currently have one alg, which rotates all of the corners except front left; it is inefficient and I sometimes have to execute it as many as 5 times to orient all of the corners. You cannot rotate a single corner. You also cannot flip a lone edge. Twisting them and shuffling them around are completely separate. You can have one without the other quite easily. Also, if you learn how to perform the mirror of the alg you know (L'U'LU'L'U2L compared to RUR'URU2R') you can complete any possible orientation in two algs. Learning shorter algs for a couple of cases is helpful and simple. They're really just extensions of the basic alg you already know. The one I currently use is the first one you listed -- The (L'U'LU'L'U2L) one. What is the difference between these two moves? I would try it right now and try to figure it out, but I don't have a good situation to test it on... > Fourth question -- any other general tips on getting faster? Learn why the things you do to the cube work the way they do. It makes recalling things so much easier during solves. Stay calm, and go slowly. But most importantly, have fun. Hmm, not sure what you mean by "learn why the things you do to the cube work the way they do", but I will try to be aware of what's going on while i'm moving it, rather than just repeating algorithms from the internet. Thanks. David > David -Mike SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes Laire" I like to do it like this (U2 D2)M'(U2 D2) M Or like this (when I see that I have this case ahead of time, and do a U adjusment (U instead of U')) U2 z' l2 E' (M2 as rM'R') E' Jason K <johannes.laire@g...> wrote: > > > On last thing I still can't get right is the E2 M E2 alg. I can never > > get it under a second. What do you guys do and how do you perform it? > > > > If you don't like E2's, try (U2 M2 U2 M')*2. > > > - > Johannes >

I have Cube Explorer 3.67 which is great for SOLVING cubes, but is there a program in which I can input not just an INITIAL state, but also a DESIRED state -- ie, which pieces I want to stay still, what pieces I want changed, and which pieces I don't care about? Probably doesn't exist, but it's worth a try :-) thanks, David (PS -- how long did it take you guys to be able to solve it in sub-30? what about sub-60?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Everyone First a short post for Mike Bennett [[[ Mike- you should defenitely try to make B1 on the left side. You're already a full second faster than me at F2B, so maybe you shouldn't listen to me, but doing B1 on the Left has really improved my F2B As it says on Gilles site, with B1 on the left side, you can see almost** every piece from one point of view. With the B1 on the F slice, you can only see a few pieces. **except the DB edge Once the moves for B1 become more automatic, you can find 1 of the two corners you need for B2 quickly, b/c you will be able to see all of the pieces. Also, the cube is ready for R U r M moves with B1 on the left.]]] I like the idea of never having to do cube rotations. Waterman Once you have the white layer done(on the L), its all R U r M moves to finish. Petrus With a 3x2x2 block (on the L), and oriented Edges, you finish the F2L with only R U moves ROUX With B1 on the L, I only use R U r M moves for B2, and then never have to rotate for CLL or Step 4. There are some x rotations, done as r R l' etc.. but once B1 is formed, it pretty much stays in my left hand, unbroken for the whole solve. (Some CLL algs break it up real quick.) Im interested in How many of you solve the Cross, 2x2 or X on the Left side. As far as CFOP I think that F2L algs are faster in z. sorry about the long post happy cubing, Jason K

I learned.. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Apparently it is not said enough: Do not learn F2L by heart !!! > > You can look at the algs to help you figure out the pairing process > but the F2L should be intuitive. > > My 2 cents, > > Sven

David, for F2L, I would advise not memorizing algorithms, but figuring out a way to do everything intuitively. Try this. If you have a corner pointed up, and its edge is in the U layer, line up the edge with its center. This will put the corner somewhere else on the top layer. Now move the slice with the edge on it away from the slot your working with. Now move the U slice until the corner pairs up with the edge. FOR LL (RUR')U(RU2R') sune (RU2R')U'(RU'R') antisune (RUR')U(RU'R'U)(RU2R') double sune (R'U2)(RUR'U')(RUR'U')(RUR'U) R the one you asked about R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R Bruno Hope that helps. And yes that is a good method. I would eventually incorporate COLL into your method. JASON K --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts < ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > First of all, I never really introduced myself, but I'm a new cuber who joined this group about a week ago... my name is David, i'm 17 from Ohio/USA, and learned how to solve a rubik's cube (using a cheat-sheet for algs) on Christmas (although I had my cube before then). I did 12 in a row today to find my average time, which is 2:41 at the moment. > > Anyways, I want to get faster.. at least to be able to solve the cube in a minute. > > A few questions. > > First of all, from what people here have told me, I need to learn how to solve F2L in one step. Currently I do all 3 layers seperately. I printed of all 41 algs from speedcubing.com, but I have been told that I should know how to do it intuitively. With that in mind, what is the best way of learning how to do the F2L simultaneously? The way I see it, there should be a way to learn a smaller number of algs and then learn how to position the cubes so that those algs can be used.. maybe that woudlnt' work though. Anyways, let me know what methods you guys used for mastering F2L. > > Second question: is this a good method for last layer? > -Cross > -Permute corners > -Orient corners > -Permute edges > -(Orient edges; i almost never have situations where the edges are in the right place but oriented wrong) > > Third question: are there any algs to rotate 1 corner (i know that it would also have to move edges, b/c it's not possible to rotate just one piece) What about rotate 2 adjacent corners, or 2 opposite corners? I currently have one alg, which rotates all of the corners except front left; it is inefficient and I sometimes have to execute it as many as 5 times to orient all of the corners. > > Fourth question -- any other general tips on getting faster? > > Thanks a lot, and thanks to all the people who've helped me so far! > > David > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > I have Cube Explorer 3.67 which is great for SOLVING cubes, but is there a program in which I can input not just an INITIAL state, but also a DESIRED state -- ie, which pieces I want to stay still, what pieces I want changed, and which pieces I don't care about? > > Probably doesn't exist, but it's worth a try :-) www.speedcubing.com/cubesolver/cubesolver.html > > thanks, > > David > > (PS -- how long did it take you guys to be able to solve it in sub- 30? what about sub-60?) I got sub-60 (average of 10) in bit under 2 months. and sub-30 in maybe 4½months. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > Hello Everyone > > First a short post for Mike Bennett > > [[[ Mike- you should defenitely try to make B1 on the left side. > You're already a full second faster than me at F2B, so maybe you > shouldn't listen to me, but doing B1 on the Left has really improved > my F2B I will work on it all day tomorrow. I've been meaning to for a while now, just putting it off. Now I suppose I have no excuse. > As it says on Gilles site, with B1 on the left side, you can see > almost** every piece from one point of view. With the B1 on the F > slice, you can only see a few pieces. > **except the DB edge I think I would probably prefer to work B1 on the R side, but that doesn't matter. In the end, I would like to be flexible about which side I build on, as long as I keep them on L and R. Building both blocks simultaneously will be easier this way. > Petrus > With a 3x2x2 block (on the L), and oriented Edges, you finish the F2L > with only R U moves While I'm terrible at normal Petrus solving, I've noticed that when I can orient all of my edges for ZBF2L solving early either using an edge or a ZB trick on the 3rd pair, finishing the F2L using only RU moves flies. All of my sub 14.5 solves have been done this way. > ROUX > With B1 on the L, I only use R U r M moves for B2, and then never have > to rotate for CLL or Step 4. Being able to see all the pieces you need to finish the cube is part of what prompted me to start looking into placing DB while orienting. Most of the time, I can see which L5E alg I need by looking at 2 or 3 edges on U. That's handy. > Jason K -Mike

>> (PS -- how long did it take you guys to be able to solve it in sub- >> 30? what about sub-60?) > I got sub-60 (average of 10) in bit under 2 months. and sub-30 in > maybe 4½months. The first time I did an average I got 3:11.30 It took me about 1 month and a half to go sub-60 and to go sub-35 (I am not sub-30 yet) it took me 4 months. Sven

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > Im interested in How many of you solve the Cross, 2x2 or X on the > Left side. > As far as CFOP I think that F2L algs are faster in z. Hmm, "faster in z", what does that mean? Cheers!

Hello Chris, where was your vacation?

CHRIS!!! YAY you're back...people have been asking me like crazy when you will be back... Bunze: He was at his grandparents house for the holidays...and he still has to move back home cuz he graduated from University finally...so not sure when we will have the full Chris back... Chris: We need to talk about so much stuff... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > Hello Chris, where was your vacation? >

When I first read this I thought he meant with cross on left, like if you did a z rotation on the cube...maybe??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > Im interested in How many of you solve the Cross, 2x2 or X on the > > Left side. > > As far as CFOP I think that F2L algs are faster in z. > > Hmm, "faster in z", what does that mean? > > Cheers! >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > First of all, I never really introduced myself, but I'm a new cuber who joined this group about a week ago... my name is David, i'm 17 from Ohio/USA, and learned how to solve a rubik's cube (using a cheat-sheet for algs) on Christmas (although I had my cube before then). I did 12 in a row today to find my average time, which is 2:41 at the moment. > > Anyways, I want to get faster.. at least to be able to solve the cube in a minute. >>>>>>>This isn't hard, mainly practice...any (well most) methods, with enough practice, I believe can be sub-60... > > A few questions. > > First of all, from what people here have told me, I need to learn how to solve F2L in one step. Currently I do all 3 layers seperately. I printed of all 41 algs from speedcubing.com, but I have been told that I should know how to do it intuitively. With that in mind, what is the best way of learning how to do the F2L simultaneously? The way I see it, there should be a way to learn a smaller number of algs and then learn how to position the cubes so that those algs can be used.. maybe that woudlnt' work though. Anyways, let me know what methods you guys used for mastering F2L. >>>>>>>>I saw a guide on Twistypuzzles for F2L...the link is: http://twistypuzzles.com/solutions/3x3x3-01-step2.shtml Starts there...you could learn from someone really good at it...you can look at the algorithms, not to memorize, but to understand what they do so you can think about doing it on your own... > > Second question: is this a good method for last layer? > -Cross > -Permute corners > -Orient corners > -Permute edges > -(Orient edges; i almost never have situations where the edges are in the right place but oriented wrong) >>>>>>>>>>>>Mike is right, that last step is not needed unless you somehow manage to screw up an algorithm...but for a beginner solution that is a good order...I still do a 4LLL (4-look last layer) by doing: Orient Corners, Orient Edges**, Permute Corners**, Permute Edges... It will help me lead into PLL...but everyone does it different... **means that those 2 steps sometimes switch... > > Third question: are there any algs to rotate 1 corner (i know that it would also have to move edges, b/c it's not possible to rotate just one piece) What about rotate 2 adjacent corners, or 2 opposite corners? I currently have one alg, which rotates all of the corners except front left; it is inefficient and I sometimes have to execute it as many as 5 times to orient all of the corners. >>>>>>>>Someone tossed out some algorithms...I think if you want a 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 for (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners...7 for Orienting corners and 4 for Permuting Edges...so...3+4+7+4...18 algorithms for a guaranteed 4LLL...(sorry if my counting is off) but 18 isn't much, compared to 57 for OLL and 21 for PLL, and those 18 will be one step towards the 78 for OLL and PLL...so you will "only" have 60 more to go... > > Fourth question -- any other general tips on getting faster? > >>>>>>>>>>>What Mike said about understanding what the things you do on your cube do, he means deconstruct your algorithms...back when I was a beginner, using my beginner method...I think I was averaging 1:30-2:00 (don't remember...) and when I deconstructed my algorithms it allowed me to (as I called it) "multitask" to save algs...I only used 5 or 6 algorithms to solve the cube...and 1 for the F2L...sometimes I had to execute an algorithm 3 times...then I deconstructed and the most I had to do was 2 ever...so...yah...Thats what intuitive F2L is all about, know what the pieces are doing and being visual, not a robot... As for tips I myself have for you...practice...i know thats obvious...but well...its true...look ahead is very important I need to start doing this now that I know intuitive F2L (thanks Chris) and it will help me get faster with my F2L, but looking ahead is crucial, it brings down your times a lot...ummmmm...when learning new algorithms for the last layer, look around, there are plenty of sites out there with a ton of algorithms, find the one that is best suited for your hands...if you are a lefty, do algorithms that use your left hand...play to your strengths, you can modify any system out there to be better for you...or something you can use easier...and always have fun cubing...I get pissed off sometimes...but it's always fun... > Thanks a lot, and thanks to all the people who've helped me so far! > > David >>>>>>>>>>These were from me and I hope it helps: Craig

Hi :-) I think he must have collapsed into coma after coming home and reading up on 900 messages. Hehe ... :-P -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > Hello Chris, where was your vacation? >

if it were me...I would have...but then again I wouldn't read 900 messages...I'd skip over a lot of them...meh... Craig P.S. - Hey Per... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > I think he must have collapsed into coma after coming home and reading > up on 900 messages. Hehe ... :-P > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" > <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > > > Hello Chris, where was your vacation? > > >

personaly, if youv'e been cubing for only a week, i would just recommend getting times around 1 minute with your current method. Once you get there, THEN I would recommend learning F2L. There are many choices for the last layer. I use COLL, but most people like OLL/PLL. Anyways, don't worry about learning new methods just yet

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>Someone tossed out some algorithms...I think if you want a > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 for > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners... 4 ? Cheers! Stefan

Got a 2x2 for christmas. I hate it. Frustrating as hell to turn it. Always falls apart. Think it is designed bad so I don't think it will get better with time. Mechanics probably different than others. Actually the most fun part was the challenge of putting the cube back together, not solving the cube itself. Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I know many people tend to throw away their rubik's 2x2x2's when they > pop. Really? Wow, that's both stupid and heartless, cubes want to be loved, too! Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

More??? meh...at least 4...the 3 cycles...the adjacents...and...maybe 3...w/e Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>Someone tossed out some algorithms...I think if you want a > > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 for > > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners... > > 4 ? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Does a 2x2 have only 6 orbits? If so, prove it please! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kel Ng" <ke1_ng@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2x2x2 Reassembly > Got a 2x2 for christmas. I hate it. Frustrating as hell to turn it. Always falls apart. Think it is designed bad so I don't think it will get better with time. Mechanics probably different than others. Actually the most fun part was the challenge of putting the cube back together, not solving the cube itself. > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > > > I know many people tend to throw away their rubik's 2x2x2's when > they > > pop. > > Really? Wow, that's both stupid and heartless, cubes want to be loved, > too! > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Is the Sune trademarked by Lars Petrus??? On his site it says it...so does that mean he can sue anyone who says the word??? Craig

Oh Craig... :-) Less than 4. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > More??? meh...at least 4...the 3 cycles...the adjacents...and... maybe > 3...w/e > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Someone tossed out some algorithms...I think if you want a > > > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 for > > > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners... > > > > 4 ? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

Hahah only if that person uses it to make money or something. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Is the Sune trademarked by Lars Petrus??? On his site it says it...so > does that mean he can sue anyone who says the word??? > > Craig >

Hey Craig, just talked to you on Yahoo Messanger I think it means no one else can say Sune is theirs or use it in their own solution without giving him credit. Like I can't go post "my own method" on a website and use Sune without adding that he made it. but I may be wrong....

Hehe ... I guess he is the originator of most of those names anyway, sune, niklas and so on ... Noone can prevent anyone using the same sequences under different names though (or no name even ...)... If someone trademarks say a process printing of both sides of a paper, and calls it "duoprint", it's only the name "duoprint" which is trademarked. Someone else could call the same thing "duplexprint" or "doubleprint" or whatever ;-) Have fun! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Is the Sune trademarked by Lars Petrus??? On his site it says it...so > does that mean he can sue anyone who says the word??? > > Craig >

yah...its only 3 i'm pretty sure...did you get my e-mail??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Oh Craig... :-) > > Less than 4. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > More??? meh...at least 4...the 3 cycles...the adjacents...and... > maybe > > 3...w/e > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Someone tossed out some algorithms...I think if you want > a > > > > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 > for > > > > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners... > > > > > > 4 ? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > >

A few things: Jason -- when you said gave me that suggestion for F2L, when you say "iIf you have a corner pointed up, and its edge is in the U layer", you mean that the silver side where I solved the cross is DOWN, and so "pointed up" would mean that the silver side of the corner is facing up (ie, opposite the silver cross)? Also; you gave me the sune, antisune, doublesune, and bruno patterns.. i'm not familiar with what those are. I don't suppose it will be difficult to look them up, but these are definetely ones I should memorize? I also don't know what COLL is. Craig -- I will definetely check out that link for the method for F2L, b/c I don't think it would be enjoyable to memorize 41 algorithms. Also, you said that my last step (orient edges) is redundant. However, I think I should have been more specific. When I said that my method is: "> -Cross > -Permute corners > -Orient corners > -Permute edges > -(Orient edges; i almost never have situations where the edges are in the right place but oriented wrong)" I mean, by cross, that the cross is solved on the yellow side only.. that is, I will have yellow pieces in all 4 spots, but they won't necessarily be the correct ones. Don't ask why, but I learned this part of my method specifically off of a website somewhere, and it seems to work. I have 2 algs for "solving" the cross -- how many do I actually need, to truly solve the cross? Where can I get them? Later you said that there are 18 algs I should learn for LL; there are a million sites that offer huge lists of algs, but they offer so many algs on each page that I simply don't know which ones to learn. Where can I get these 18 so that I can commit them to memory? I will try to deconstruct my algs. Thanks to the many people who have responded! I'm sure I'll have many more questions later. -_- David kovacic81 <kovacic81@...> wrote: David, for F2L, I would advise not memorizing algorithms, but figuring out a way to do everything intuitively. Try this. If you have a corner pointed up, and its edge is in the U layer, line up the edge with its center. This will put the corner somewhere else on the top layer. Now move the slice with the edge on it away from the slot your working with. Now move the U slice until the corner pairs up with the edge. FOR LL (RUR')U(RU2R') sune (RU2R')U'(RU'R') antisune (RUR')U(RU'R'U)(RU2R') double sune (R'U2)(RUR'U')(RUR'U')(RUR'U) R the one you asked about R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R Bruno Hope that helps. And yes that is a good method. I would eventually incorporate COLL into your method. JASON K --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts < ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > First of all, I never really introduced myself, but I'm a new cuber who joined this group about a week ago... my name is David, i'm 17 from Ohio/USA, and learned how to solve a rubik's cube (using a cheat-sheet for algs) on Christmas (although I had my cube before then). I did 12 in a row today to find my average time, which is 2:41 at the moment. > > Anyways, I want to get faster.. at least to be able to solve the cube in a minute. > > A few questions. > > First of all, from what people here have told me, I need to learn how to solve F2L in one step. Currently I do all 3 layers seperately. I printed of all 41 algs from speedcubing.com, but I have been told that I should know how to do it intuitively. With that in mind, what is the best way of learning how to do the F2L simultaneously? The way I see it, there should be a way to learn a smaller number of algs and then learn how to position the cubes so that those algs can be used.. maybe that woudlnt' work though. Anyways, let me know what methods you guys used for mastering F2L. > > Second question: is this a good method for last layer? > -Cross > -Permute corners > -Orient corners > -Permute edges > -(Orient edges; i almost never have situations where the edges are in the right place but oriented wrong) > > Third question: are there any algs to rotate 1 corner (i know that it would also have to move edges, b/c it's not possible to rotate just one piece) What about rotate 2 adjacent corners, or 2 opposite corners? I currently have one alg, which rotates all of the corners except front left; it is inefficient and I sometimes have to execute it as many as 5 times to orient all of the corners. > > Fourth question -- any other general tips on getting faster? > > Thanks a lot, and thanks to all the people who've helped me so far! > > David > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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> A few things: > > Jason -- when you said gave me that suggestion for F2L, when you say "iIf you have a corner pointed up, and its edge is in the U layer", you mean that the silver side where I solved the cross is DOWN, and so "pointed up" would mean that the silver side of the corner is facing up (ie, opposite the silver cross)? >>>>>Yes...he was kinda trying to explain some intuitive F2L, add me to yahoo or MSN chbouchard777 for yahoo and logitewty@... for MSN > > Also; you gave me the sune, antisune, doublesune, and bruno patterns.. i'm not familiar with what those are. I don't suppose it will be difficult to look them up, but these are definetely ones I should memorize? >>>>>Umm...its a good start to a 4LLL...they would be good... > > I also don't know what COLL is. >>>>>COLL is a term for a set of algorithms that some people use. A more advanced method...it orients and permutes the corners in one algorithm... > > Craig -- I will definetely check out that link for the method for F2L, b/c I don't think it would be enjoyable to memorize 41 algorithms. Also, you said that my last step (orient edges) is redundant. However, I think I should have been more specific. When I said that my method is: > > "> -Cross > > -Permute corners > > -Orient corners > > -Permute edges > > -(Orient edges; i almost never have situations where the edges are > in the right place but oriented wrong)" > > I mean, by cross, that the cross is solved on the yellow side only.. that is, I will have yellow pieces in all 4 spots, but they won't necessarily be the correct ones. Don't ask why, but I learned this part of my method specifically off of a website somewhere, and it seems to work. I have 2 algs for "solving" the cross -- how many do I actually need, to truly solve the cross? Where can I get them? >>>>>When you solve the cross on top, that is orienting the edges...and there are 3 algorithms you need to learn to always do this in 1 step...most likely you have 2 algorithms, and for the case where all 4 edges are wrong you execute an algorithm twice... > > Later you said that there are 18 algs I should learn for LL; there are a million sites that offer huge lists of algs, but they offer so many algs on each page that I simply don't know which ones to learn. Where can I get these 18 so that I can commit them to memory? >>>>>Yes, well I was wrong...its only 17...but I understand what you mean...there are a lot of sites out there...I will compile a list of the ones you need for the 4LLL...and send them to you... > > I will try to deconstruct my algs. >>>>>Thats good...it helps... > Thanks to the many people who have responded! I'm sure I'll have many more questions later. -_- > > David No Problem...thats what we're here for right??? Craig

> > Later you said that there are 18 algs I should learn for LL; there > are a million sites that offer huge lists of algs, but they offer so > many algs on each page that I simply don't know which ones to learn. > Where can I get these 18 so that I can commit them to memory? > >>>>>Yes, well I was wrong...its only 17...but I understand what you > mean...there are a lot of sites out there...I will compile a list of > the ones you need for the 4LLL...and send them to you... For all peoples knowledge...this is the list I compiled, from the ones I think would be easiest for a beginner, not using a lot of M turns...*cough* bob *cough* Alright here they are... Orient Edges(the cross): http://www.cubewhiz.com/oll.html Cases 1 and 2 http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/OLL5.html the first case on there... Orient Corners: http://www.cubewhiz.com/oll.html Cases 4-10 (all good) Permute Corners: http://www.cosine-systems.com/cubestation/permutations/permutationslist.php Cases 3 and 4 http://www.cubewhiz.com/pll.html Case 3 Permute Edges: http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/PLL.html Case 1 and 2 and 6 (Dan's Cubestation) http://www.cosine-systems.com/cubestation/permutations/permutationslist.php Case 5 the first algorithm that begins with the x... I think thats all...those 17 will get a 4LLL all the time... Craig

Oh Craig... :-) Less than 3. Cheers! Stefan P.S. Yes I got your mail but I'm too busy to chat now, sorry... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > yah...its only 3 i'm pretty sure...did you get my e-mail??? > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > Oh Craig... :-) > > > > Less than 4. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > More??? meh...at least 4...the 3 cycles...the adjacents...and... > > maybe > > > 3...w/e > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Someone tossed out some algorithms...I think if you want > > a > > > > > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 > > for > > > > > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners.. . > > > > > > > > 4 ? > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > >

Historically you can find "Sune" and others in an article by dame Kathleen Ollerenshaw, published not later than June 1980. But the great English mathematician evidently was lacking Petrus´ sense of humour: she unimigatively named them simply "C1" etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Probably been mentioned before... > Hehe ... > > I guess he is the originator of most of those names anyway, sune, > niklas and so on ... > > Noone can prevent anyone using the same sequences under different > names though (or no name even ...)... > > If someone trademarks say a process printing of both sides of a paper, > and calls it "duoprint", it's only the name "duoprint" which is > trademarked. Someone else could call the same thing "duplexprint" > or "doubleprint" or whatever ;-) > > Have fun! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Is the Sune trademarked by Lars Petrus??? On his site it says it...so > > does that mean he can sue anyone who says the word??? > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

> Orient Corners: > http://www.cubewhiz.com/oll.html > Cases 4-10 (all good) I was wrong about these...only use 4, 6, 7 and 9 from this page... http://www.cosine-systems.com/cubestation/orientations/ollprintablepage.html Case 52, 50(the one that is (R U R' U R U' R' U R)(U2 R')) http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/3-orientations.html Case 36B) b) Enjoy, Craig

Yes theres 3...the 2 3 Cycles and then the one that switches the 2 sets of the adjacent corners...unless you are counting the 3 cycles are 1 cuz one is just the inverse... Craig P.S. - Stefan you were the 25000th post...intense --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Oh Craig... :-) > > Less than 3. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > P.S. Yes I got your mail but I'm too busy to chat now, sorry... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > yah...its only 3 i'm pretty sure...did you get my e-mail??? > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Oh Craig... :-) > > > > > > Less than 4. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > More??? meh...at least 4...the 3 cycles...the adjacents...and... > > > maybe > > > > 3...w/e > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig > Bouchard" > > > > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Someone tossed out some algorithms...I think if you > want > > > a > > > > > > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to > learn: 3 > > > for > > > > > > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners.. > . > > > > > > > > > > 4 ? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I guess that "faster in z" was a stretch what i mean is that with the cross on the L side, I think that F2L algs are easier. U'(R2U)(RU'R'U) is just one example. I would do its mirror with the cross on bottom though (RU2R'U')(RUR') Basically, i do all [L U] algs as z [R U]. Its easier for me to rotate the cube and do [R U] moves than to change my grip and do [L U] moves Jason K --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > Im interested in How many of you solve the Cross, 2x2 or X on the > > Left side. > > As far as CFOP I think that F2L algs are faster in z. > > Hmm, "faster in z", what does that mean? > > Cheers! >

Stefan, It's a real shame that you celebrated the 25000th post to the Yahoo group in such a poor fashion. Ah well, not to worry, because it was a German ;) (hope Michel is reading these :D ) Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Oh Craig... :-) > > Less than 3. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > P.S. Yes I got your mail but I'm too busy to chat now, sorry... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > yah...its only 3 i'm pretty sure...did you get my e-mail??? > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Oh Craig... :-) > > > > > > Less than 4. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > More??? meh...at least 4...the 3 cycles...the adjacents...and... > > > maybe > > > > 3...w/e > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig > Bouchard" > > > > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Someone tossed out some algorithms...I think if you > want > > > a > > > > > > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to > learn: 3 > > > for > > > > > > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners.. > . > > > > > > > > > > 4 ? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Matt, I just found this message on the group, great to hear of another cuber in the UK! I hope that you will be able to meet up with Duncan soon, he is a very nice guy and he has a great knowledge of the cube! Hopefully you will be able to make it to the next meeting of UK cubers, which I hope will be sooner as opposed to later! Anyway, if you want to get in touch to talk about anything cubing or otherwise then please drop me a line. dan at cubestation.co.uk Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mantawrays" <matt.williams@l...> wrote: > > Hi! A new cuber in the UK here. I used to play with the cube in the > 80's when I was little(I used a really simple beginner layer method, I > think) and recently after playing with a 4 x 4 someone in the office > had got hooked again and bought a new cube in August. > > I've been reading a lot of the people here's web pages and they have > all been a great help (esp. Jessica Fridrich's, Dan Harris', Joel Van > Noort, Chris Hardwick's). So thanks to everyone for making some great > webpages. I use the cross on the bottom. I am getting better at doing > F2L (it's taking a long time to be able to make fast decisions > though!) and have learnt the U, Z, H, E, J and F PLL algorithms (and > have forgotten the A one!). I guess I'm going to try to learn all the > PLL ones and then look at the OLL ones. Is that the general approach > to learning Fridrich? Since I learnt those PLL's I have found it > possible to solve the cube in around 50 seconds whereas before it was > around 1 minute 30 or something like that if I went flat out. Still > pretty slow compared to everyone here. > > Still, I had a go with Chris H's 'oh wow' scramble and was shocked > when using my method after a few tries I solved it in 31 seconds. > Well, That was a big Oh wow for me, anyway! :) > > I have two cubes, one I bought from a department store in August with > bright stickers on (which deteriorated really rapidly )- probably the > generic 3 x 3 Rubiks.com sell, and a Rubik's 3 x 3 DIY cube with PVC > stickers which I prefer. The DIY one seems to be easier to control > turns on and more suitable for doing fast solves (although it's > noisier according to my wife). Oh yes, and it has M0105B written on > one of the corners. > > Does anyone have any opinions of the new anniversary cube? Is it the > same as the normal 3 x 3 but with a different centre white sticker? Is > it at all suitable for speedcubing? Are the stickers PVC or polypropelene? > > That's it for now. > > Cheers, Matt >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Yes theres 3...the 2 3 Cycles and then the one that switches the 2 > sets of the adjacent corners...unless you are counting the 3 cycles > are 1 cuz one is just the inverse... No, the two 3-cycles are the same, and I don't mean by inversion/mirroring. Think again :-) > P.S. - Stefan you were the 25000th post...intense Yeah I know. The prime factorization is 2^3 * 5^5 so if you don't hear from me again you know the Illuminati got me. Cheers! Stefan

Ah, ok, now I get it, thanks. I think I noticed Macky doing that, too. I myself had cross on bottom for the longest time, now I have it on L and occasionally tilt z'... Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > I guess that "faster in z" was a stretch > > what i mean is that with the cross on the L side, I think that F2L > algs are easier. U'(R2U)(RU'R'U) is just one example. > > I would do its mirror with the cross on bottom though > (RU2R'U')(RUR') > > Basically, i do all [L U] algs as z [R U]. Its easier for me to > rotate the cube and do [R U] moves than to change my grip and do [L U] > moves > > Jason K > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Im interested in How many of you solve the Cross, 2x2 or X on the > > > Left side. > > > As far as CFOP I think that F2L algs are faster in z. > > > > Hmm, "faster in z", what does that mean? > > > > Cheers! > > >

Hey Dan, bah, go back to judging FMC... And hey, I was the *only one* to point out #20000: http://tinyurl.com/dchgp I promise I'll celebrate *my* 25000th post, ok? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@n.. .> wrote: > > Stefan, > > It's a real shame that you celebrated the 25000th post to the Yahoo > group in such a poor fashion. Ah well, not to worry, because it was > a German ;) (hope Michel is reading these :D ) > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > Oh Craig... :-) > > > > Less than 3. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan

I remember that I posted #18000 and made that clear to everybody. I would have taken #20000 if I would have skipped school that day. (I think that was the reason) /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Hey Dan, > > bah, go back to judging FMC... > > And hey, I was the *only one* to point out #20000: > http://tinyurl.com/dchgp > > I promise I'll celebrate *my* 25000th post, ok? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@n.. > .> wrote: > > > > Stefan, > > > > It's a real shame that you celebrated the 25000th post to the Yahoo > > group in such a poor fashion. Ah well, not to worry, because it was > > a German ;) (hope Michel is reading these :D ) > > > > Dan :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Oh Craig... :-) > > > > > > Less than 3. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan >

do the mefferts megaminxz come with stickers as well as the tiles that come on it, because i truly despise the plastic tiles.

Well, you may be being picky and say 1, cuz if you execute one alg the right way multiple times then it will solve...but I mean for a 1 look every time... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Yes theres 3...the 2 3 Cycles and then the one that switches the 2 > > sets of the adjacent corners...unless you are counting the 3 cycles > > are 1 cuz one is just the inverse... > > No, the two 3-cycles are the same, and I don't mean by > inversion/mirroring. Think again :-) > > > P.S. - Stefan you were the 25000th post...intense > > Yeah I know. The prime factorization is 2^3 * 5^5 so if you don't hear > from me again you know the Illuminati got me. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Hi Stefan/Dan :-) Why not count the "real" number of messages still in the group, ie excluding those that are deleted? We should soon see the "real" message # 25,000 ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Hey Dan, > > bah, go back to judging FMC... > > And hey, I was the *only one* to point out #20000: > http://tinyurl.com/dchgp > > I promise I'll celebrate *my* 25000th post, ok? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@n.. > .> wrote: > > > > Stefan, > > > > It's a real shame that you celebrated the 25000th post to the Yahoo > > group in such a poor fashion. Ah well, not to worry, because it was > > a German ;) (hope Michel is reading these :D ) > > > > Dan :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Oh Craig... :-) > > > > > > Less than 3. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan >

Anyone know where i could get a good studio cube from?

If we went for all messages pertaining to cubing, and real, we'll hit 25000 in like...a few months... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan/Dan :-) > > Why not count the "real" number of messages still in the group, ie > excluding those that are deleted? > > We should soon see the "real" message # 25,000 ;-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > Hey Dan, > > > > bah, go back to judging FMC... > > > > And hey, I was the *only one* to point out #20000: > > http://tinyurl.com/dchgp > > > > I promise I'll celebrate *my* 25000th post, ok? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" > <dan_j_harris@n.. > > .> wrote: > > > > > > Stefan, > > > > > > It's a real shame that you celebrated the 25000th post to the > Yahoo > > > group in such a poor fashion. Ah well, not to worry, because it > was > > > a German ;) (hope Michel is reading these :D ) > > > > > > Dan :) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh Craig... :-) > > > > > > > > Less than 3. > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > >

Ok ok, I don't think we'll get somewhere so I'll just tell you: the 3-cycles are nothing else than a swap of two adjacent corners followed by a U turn. So you have these two cases: - Swap two adjacent corners. - Swap two diagonal corners. Got it? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Well, you may be being picky and say 1, cuz if you execute one alg the > right way multiple times then it will solve...but I mean for a 1 look > every time... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Yes theres 3...the 2 3 Cycles and then the one that switches the 2 > > > sets of the adjacent corners...unless you are counting the 3 cycles > > > are 1 cuz one is just the inverse... > > > > No, the two 3-cycles are the same, and I don't mean by > > inversion/mirroring. Think again :-) > > > > > P.S. - Stefan you were the 25000th post...intense > > > > Yeah I know. The prime factorization is 2^3 * 5^5 so if you don't hear > > from me again you know the Illuminati got me. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

yes...I knew that... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Ok ok, I don't think we'll get somewhere so I'll just tell you: the > 3-cycles are nothing else than a swap of two adjacent corners followed > by a U turn. So you have these two cases: > > - Swap two adjacent corners. > - Swap two diagonal corners. > > Got it? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Well, you may be being picky and say 1, cuz if you execute one alg > the > > right way multiple times then it will solve...but I mean for a 1 > look > > every time... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes theres 3...the 2 3 Cycles and then the one that switches the > 2 > > > > sets of the adjacent corners...unless you are counting the 3 > cycles > > > > are 1 cuz one is just the inverse... > > > > > > No, the two 3-cycles are the same, and I don't mean by > > > inversion/mirroring. Think again :-) > > > > > > > P.S. - Stefan you were the 25000th post...intense > > > > > > Yeah I know. The prime factorization is 2^3 * 5^5 so if you don't > hear > > > from me again you know the Illuminati got me. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > >

Hmm, then I don't understand why you said it's 3 cases. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > yes...I knew that... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > Ok ok, I don't think we'll get somewhere so I'll just tell you: the > > 3-cycles are nothing else than a swap of two adjacent corners followed > > by a U turn. So you have these two cases: > > > > - Swap two adjacent corners. > > - Swap two diagonal corners. > > > > Got it? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Well, you may be being picky and say 1, cuz if you execute one alg > > the > > > right way multiple times then it will solve...but I mean for a 1 > > look > > > every time... > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes theres 3...the 2 3 Cycles and then the one that switches the > > 2 > > > > > sets of the adjacent corners...unless you are counting the 3 > > cycles > > > > > are 1 cuz one is just the inverse... > > > > > > > > No, the two 3-cycles are the same, and I don't mean by > > > > inversion/mirroring. Think again :-) > > > > > > > > > P.S. - Stefan you were the 25000th post...intense > > > > > > > > Yeah I know. The prime factorization is 2^3 * 5^5 so if you don't > > hear > > > > from me again you know the Illuminati got me. > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > >

Well...an achievement most ppl are proud of...I broke 3 seconds on the Master Magic, and a string...2.99 seconds :D I was just a little happy... Craig

Cool Craig, are those things fun? I've never seen one..

Are they fun...ummm...YES!!! just a little :D:D:D hard to get really fast...but you know...same as anything else...practice... Hey all you hardcore magicians out there...How long does it take you to replace a string from the time you have the replacement string in your hand??? So how long to remove the old string, and replace it with the new one...I'd say for me maybe 1-2 minutes...if I was going top speed...I'd be fine...and I usually use the string that broke as the thing to pull the final loop over the edge...I've heard ppl whine that its a bad idea...probably is...but meh... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > Cool Craig, are those things fun? I've never seen one.. >

HELLO DAVID Yes you were right about the silver being up. Thats what I meant. Your 4 look: Orient Edges F (RUR'U') F' F (URU'R') F' Permute Corners RU' L'U R'U'L Niklas (switches two on left) Orient Corners (RUR')U(RU2R') sune (RU2R')U'(RU'R') antisune (RUR')U(RU'R'U)(RU2R') double sune (R'U2)(RUR'U')(RUR'U')(RUR'U) R the one you asked about R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R Bruno Permute Edges R2U(RUR'U')R'U'(R'UR') R2 d (M'U2M) d L2 M2U M2U2 M2U M2 M2U M2U u2 M' E2 M' COLL is orienting and permuting corners simultaneously. On Lars petrus' site, COLL is called "Step 5+6 Index." On Gilles Roux's site, CLL is called "step 3" Some of these algs do not maintain edge orientation. Whatever you learn, I would advise using something that takes advantage of Algs that simultaneously Orient/Permute corners. Learn CLL COLL dont mess with OLL just my 2 cents Jason kovacic In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > A few things: > > > > Jason -- when you said gave me that suggestion for F2L, when you say > "iIf you have a corner pointed up, and its edge is in the U layer", > you mean that the silver side where I solved the cross is DOWN, and so > "pointed up" would mean that the silver side of the corner is facing > up (ie, opposite the silver cross)? > >>>>>Yes...he was kinda trying to explain some intuitive F2L, add me > to yahoo or MSN chbouchard777 for yahoo and logitewty@h... for MSN > > > > > Also; you gave me the sune, antisune, doublesune, and bruno > patterns.. i'm not familiar with what those are. I don't suppose it > will be difficult to look them up, but these are definetely ones I > should memorize? > >>>>>Umm...its a good start to a 4LLL...they would be good... > > > > > > I also don't know what COLL is. > >>>>>COLL is a term for a set of algorithms that some people use. A > more advanced method...it orients and permutes the corners in one > algorithm... > > > > > Craig -- I will definetely check out that link for the method for > F2L, b/c I don't think it would be enjoyable to memorize 41 > algorithms. Also, you said that my last step (orient edges) is > redundant. However, I think I should have been more specific. When I > said that my method is: > > > > "> -Cross > > > -Permute corners > > > -Orient corners > > > -Permute edges > > > -(Orient edges; i almost never have situations where the edges are > > in the right place but oriented wrong)" > > > > I mean, by cross, that the cross is solved on the yellow side > only.. that is, I will have yellow pieces in all 4 spots, but they > won't necessarily be the correct ones. Don't ask why, but I learned > this part of my method specifically off of a website somewhere, and it > seems to work. I have 2 algs for "solving" the cross -- how many do I > actually need, to truly solve the cross? Where can I get them? > >>>>>When you solve the cross on top, that is orienting the > edges...and there are 3 algorithms you need to learn to always do this > in 1 step...most likely you have 2 algorithms, and for the case where > all 4 edges are wrong you execute an algorithm twice... > > > > > Later you said that there are 18 algs I should learn for LL; there > are a million sites that offer huge lists of algs, but they offer so > many algs on each page that I simply don't know which ones to learn. > Where can I get these 18 so that I can commit them to memory? > >>>>>Yes, well I was wrong...its only 17...but I understand what you > mean...there are a lot of sites out there...I will compile a list of > the ones you need for the 4LLL...and send them to you... > > > > > I will try to deconstruct my algs. > >>>>>Thats good...it helps... > > > Thanks to the many people who have responded! I'm sure I'll have > many more questions later. -_- > > > > David > > No Problem...thats what we're here for right??? > > Craig >

the only problem is that rubiks.com shipping is a bit pricy, even in the US. the cheapest option is $6 :(

ok???what are you trying to say??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "rubikorkow" <calcdude@h...> wrote: > > the only problem is that rubiks.com shipping is a bit pricy, even in > the US. the cheapest option is $6 :( >

Hey :-) I figure he considers buying one if im not mistaken completely ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > ok???what are you trying to say??? > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "rubikorkow" > <calcdude@h...> wrote: > > > > the only problem is that rubiks.com shipping is a bit pricy, even in > > the US. the cheapest option is $6 :( > > >

Used string: 15 sec New string: 30 sec (more pulling and use of my ribbon) :) Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Are they fun...ummm...YES!!! just a little :D:D:D hard to get really > fast...but you know...same as anything else...practice... > > Hey all you hardcore magicians out there...How long does it take you > to replace a string from the time you have the replacement string in > your hand??? So how long to remove the old string, and replace it with > the new one...I'd say for me maybe 1-2 minutes...if I was going top > speed...I'd be fine...and I usually use the string that broke as the > thing to pull the final loop over the edge...I've heard ppl whine that > its a bad idea...probably is...but meh... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" > <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > > > Cool Craig, are those things fun? I've never seen one.. > > >

Try this where U means (Uu) and r means (l'rR): x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U r2' U' r2 U) (L2 U' L2 U L2 U) z Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Try this where U means (Uu) and r means (l'rR): > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U r2' U' r2 U) (L2 U' L2 U L2 U) z Argh, forgot to suggest directions in the end. I'd also like to group them differently. x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U) (r2' U' r2 U) (L2' U' L2 U L2' U) z Between the groups the left hand must regrip, but it can be done *while* the right hand pulls the U. No other regripping necessary. Always hold it so that the thumbs touch either F or B. With practice the whole algorithm should be one fluent motion. Cheers! Stefan

I believe that...thats the sad part...lol...ur insane with those strings... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Used string: 15 sec > New string: 30 sec (more pulling and use of my ribbon) > > :) > Peter Greenwood > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Are they fun...ummm...YES!!! just a little :D:D:D hard to get really > > fast...but you know...same as anything else...practice... > > > > Hey all you hardcore magicians out there...How long does it take you > > to replace a string from the time you have the replacement string in > > your hand??? So how long to remove the old string, and replace it with > > the new one...I'd say for me maybe 1-2 minutes...if I was going top > > speed...I'd be fine...and I usually use the string that broke as the > > thing to pull the final loop over the edge...I've heard ppl whine that > > its a bad idea...probably is...but meh... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" > > <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Cool Craig, are those things fun? I've never seen one.. > > > > > >

No...he has one...he's the guy that makes his own strings remember??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > > Hey :-) > > I figure he considers buying one if im not mistaken completely ;-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > ok???what are you trying to say??? > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "rubikorkow" > > <calcdude@h...> wrote: > > > > > > the only problem is that rubiks.com shipping is a bit pricy, > even in > > > the US. the cheapest option is $6 :( > > > > > >

Hello everyone, First thing: I was wondering if there are any cubers and/or any official or unofficial cube competitions near me. I live in Minnesota of the US. I learned how to do the cube about 3 weeks ago and got sub-50 non lucky this past week. It would be nice to talk with some people that really know a lot about the cube and also to enter in some competitions. Next thing: Some people have been saying that you should not memorize the F2L algs and some people have been saying that that is what they did. Personally, I memorized the F2L algs in the sense that I got a sheet of paper and practiced the algs. However, I learn best by doing that and while I am doing that I look at the moves to see what is going on. I think this combines doing it intuitively and memorizing in a pretty good way, although maybe you don't get the satisfaction and good practice of doing it for yourself. I think it is right that you should not just learn algorithms. It would be like just memorizing a poem and not even realizing what it is saying. So am I going to suffer later on from learning F2L the way I did or will I be all right? Next next thing: I am switching my LL order so that it would be easier to move to OLL/PLL. Before I did the normal beginner LL: OE, PC, OC, PE. Now I have been trying to switch to OE, OC, PC, PE but somebody posted a different way to do this (I think it was oc, oe**, pe**, pc where the stars could be switched). Which would be the better way if I am aiming for OLL/PLL? I thought the way I was trying would be good because to do PC than PE I had to learn 7 of the PLL algs and then I could gradually incorporate more. Last thing: What does a good 3x3 usually cost and where can I get one. Mine is a Rubiks.com one that works reasonably well now that I put some silicon lube on it. Cheers, Robbie --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Heh. I just put the TM in as a joke back in 96. I can't and won't sue anyone for using it. /Lars On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:17, Craig Bouchard wrote: > Is the Sune trademarked by Lars Petrus??? On his site it says it...so > does that mean he can sue anyone who says the word??? > > Craig

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Robbie Hank <robomb162@y...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > First thing: I was wondering if there are any cubers and/or any official or unofficial cube competitions near me. I live in Minnesota of the US. I learned how to do the cube about 3 weeks ago and got sub-50 non lucky this past week. It would be nice to talk with some people that really know a lot about the cube and also to enter in some competitions. Hi there. I'm from Iowa currently, but planning to move to Minnesota relatively soon. My girlfriend lives in Minneapolis as do many of our cubing friends. Where exactly are you from? As far as competitions go, the closest one to you to date has been Chicago. My girlfriend is working on starting a tournament at the U of M, but they want her to start a cube club first, so it's slow going. I know Jake Rueth is possibly planning a Wisconsin tournament for this spring, so keep your eyes peeled. At the very least, an informal cuber gathering is likely, assuming you don't live in Duluth or something. > Next thing: Some people have been saying that you should not memorize the F2L algs and some people have been saying that that is what they did...So am I going to suffer later on from learning F2L the way I did or will I be all right? As long as you understand why the algs work the way they do, you'll be fine. Otherwise, it makes recognition and execution, especially in competition, worse. Also, learning them by rote will make it harder to use more advanced tricks on your own later. > Next next thing: I am switching my LL order so that it would be easier to move to OLL/PLL. Before I did the normal beginner LL: OE, PC, OC, PE. Now I have been trying to switch to OE, OC, PC, PE but somebody posted a different way to do this (I think it was oc, oe**, pe**, pc where the stars could be switched). Which would be the better way if I am aiming for OLL/PLL? I thought the way I was trying would be good because to do PC than PE I had to learn 7 of the PLL algs and then I could gradually incorporate more. If you want to learn OLL/PLL, that way described will do you no good. Just learn OLL/PLL. If you want to learn the VH method (OE during final pair/COLL/PELL) keep your current order. Personally I recommend the latter, as it is both a great system with fewer and shorter algs, and doesn't create another generic Fridrich clone. > Last thing: What does a good 3x3 usually cost and where can I get one. Mine is a Rubiks.com one that works reasonably well now that I put some silicon lube on it. > Cheers, > Robbie You live in the land of Target. They go for about $9 there. Wal-Mart has them, too. -Mike

could write it in a normal notation or make a video ? because then if U = Uu : U' = (Uu)' ? and r2 = (l'rR)2 and it's just completlely messed up at the end :s Thx, Gilles. 2006/1/9, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > Try this where U means (Uu) and r means (l'rR): > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U r2' U' r2 U) (L2 U' L2 U L2 U) z > > Argh, forgot to suggest directions in the end. I'd also like to group > them differently. > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U) (r2' U' r2 U) (L2' U' L2 U L2' U) z > > Between the groups the left hand must regrip, but it can be done > *while* the right hand pulls the U. No other regripping necessary. > Always hold it so that the thumbs touch either F or B. With practice > the whole algorithm should be one fluent motion. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Your translation is correct, and the alg is correct, too. You must've made an execution mistake. You can see it in standard notation and in yet simpler than my previous notation here now: http://tinyurl.com/dhlfh Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > could write it in a normal notation or make a video ? > because then if U = Uu : U' = (Uu)' ? and r2 = (l'rR)2 > and it's just completlely messed up at the end :s > > Thx, > Gilles. > > 2006/1/9, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Try this where U means (Uu) and r means (l'rR): > > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U r2' U' r2 U) (L2 U' L2 U L2 U) z > > > > Argh, forgot to suggest directions in the end. I'd also like to group > > them differently. > > > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U) (r2' U' r2 U) (L2' U' L2 U L2' U) z > > > > Between the groups the left hand must regrip, but it can be done > > *while* the right hand pulls the U. No other regripping necessary. > > Always hold it so that the thumbs touch either F or B. With practice > > the whole algorithm should be one fluent motion. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

First time I tried it it didn't work but then I Tried it on the page and it worked...but I dunno if this is faster...I might practice it... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Your translation is correct, and the alg is correct, too. You must've > made an execution mistake. > > You can see it in standard notation and in yet simpler than my > previous notation here now: > http://tinyurl.com/dhlfh > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > > > could write it in a normal notation or make a video ? > > because then if U = Uu : U' = (Uu)' ? and r2 = (l'rR)2 > > and it's just completlely messed up at the end :s > > > > Thx, > > Gilles. > > > > 2006/1/9, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...>: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Try this where U means (Uu) and r means (l'rR): > > > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U r2' U' r2 U) (L2 U' L2 U L2 U) z > > > > > > Argh, forgot to suggest directions in the end. I'd also like to > group > > > them differently. > > > > > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U) (r2' U' r2 U) (L2' U' L2 U L2' U) z > > > > > > Between the groups the left hand must regrip, but it can be done > > > *while* the right hand pulls the U. No other regripping necessary. > > > Always hold it so that the thumbs touch either F or B. With > practice > > > the whole algorithm should be one fluent motion. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ok, yah, I was just wondering...someone mentioned it to me :D Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@n...> wrote: > > Heh. I just put the TM in as a joke back in 96. I can't and won't sue > anyone for using it. > > /Lars > > On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:17, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > Is the Sune trademarked by Lars Petrus??? On his site it says it...so > > does that mean he can sue anyone who says the word??? > > > > Craig >

And here you have a video: http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/4x4opf.wmv The twisting alone is 4.27 seconds. Including cube regrip/cuberotation at start/end it's 4.93 seconds. And there's room for improvement. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > could write it in a normal notation or make a video ? > because then if U = Uu : U' = (Uu)' ? and r2 = (l'rR)2 > and it's just completlely messed up at the end :s > > Thx, > Gilles. > > 2006/1/9, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Try this where U means (Uu) and r means (l'rR): > > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U r2' U' r2 U) (L2 U' L2 U L2 U) z > > > > Argh, forgot to suggest directions in the end. I'd also like to group > > them differently. > > > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U) (r2' U' r2 U) (L2' U' L2 U L2' U) z > > > > Between the groups the left hand must regrip, but it can be done > > *while* the right hand pulls the U. No other regripping necessary. > > Always hold it so that the thumbs touch either F or B. With practice > > the whole algorithm should be one fluent motion. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ahhh, now that I see a good way to execute it I'll have to memroise it... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > And here you have a video: > http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/4x4opf.wmv > > The twisting alone is 4.27 seconds. Including cube regrip/cuberotation > at start/end it's 4.93 seconds. And there's room for improvement. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > > > could write it in a normal notation or make a video ? > > because then if U = Uu : U' = (Uu)' ? and r2 = (l'rR)2 > > and it's just completlely messed up at the end :s > > > > Thx, > > Gilles. > > > > 2006/1/9, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...>: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Try this where U means (Uu) and r means (l'rR): > > > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U r2' U' r2 U) (L2 U' L2 U L2 U) z > > > > > > Argh, forgot to suggest directions in the end. I'd also like to > group > > > them differently. > > > > > > x' (U' R2' U' r2 U' L2 U) (r2' U' r2 U) (L2' U' L2 U L2' U) z > > > > > > Between the groups the left hand must regrip, but it can be done > > > *while* the right hand pulls the U. No other regripping necessary. > > > Always hold it so that the thumbs touch either F or B. With > practice > > > the whole algorithm should be one fluent motion. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

For that purpose I really suggest using this notation with U meaning (Uu) and r meaning (l'rR), and all non-U-turns being half turns: (x' U') (R' U' r U' L U) (r' U' r U) (L' U' L U L' U) z I think it's fairly easy to learn as it flows really easily. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Ahhh, now that I see a good way to execute it I'll have to memroise > it... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > And here you have a video: > > http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/4x4opf.wmv > > > > The twisting alone is 4.27 seconds. Including cube > regrip/cuberotation > > at start/end it's 4.93 seconds. And there's room for improvement. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan

Thanks for the welcome Dan, this is a great group. Having a little trouble keeping up with the volume (and often content!) of posts, but am already picking up a lot of stuff through being here. I think the next step for me like some other new cubers here is improving my F2L, it still slows my times down. I have made efforts to learn F2L as intuitively as possible and can fairly quickly work out how to solve a pair when I spot then but the trouble is spotting them ahead of time. I want to have a smooth solving approach where I move from one pair to the next without pausing. I guess the looking ahead bit is just a technique you learn from practicing and staying focussed while doing the First two layers.. but if there are any pointers to speed up this process I would be interested in hearing them. Your website has been a great help for the last layer algorithms so thanks for maintaining that. While on the topic of websites that helped me, I forgot to mention in my first post that it was Jasmine's excellently explained beginner method that started me off again after all these years away from the cube. As far as meeting up goes... time is at a premium at the moment what with me and my wife expecting our second baby and all that that entails... but I will make an effort since it would no doubt help my method loads plus I get to see some really fast cubers up close! cheers, Matt --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@n...> wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > I just found this message on the group, great to hear of another > cuber in the UK! I hope that you will be able to meet up with Duncan > soon, he is a very nice guy and he has a great knowledge of the cube! > > Hopefully you will be able to make it to the next meeting of UK > cubers, which I hope will be sooner as opposed to later! Anyway, if > you want to get in touch to talk about anything cubing or otherwise > then please drop me a line. > > dan at cubestation.co.uk > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mantawrays" > <matt.williams@l...> wrote: > > > > Hi! A new cuber in the UK here. I used to play with the cube in the > > 80's when I was little(I used a really simple beginner layer > method, I > > think) and recently after playing with a 4 x 4 someone in the > office > > had got hooked again and bought a new cube in August. > > > > I've been reading a lot of the people here's web pages and they > have > > all been a great help (esp. Jessica Fridrich's, Dan Harris', Joel > Van > > Noort, Chris Hardwick's). So thanks to everyone for making some > great > > webpages. I use the cross on the bottom. I am getting better at > doing > > F2L (it's taking a long time to be able to make fast decisions > > though!) and have learnt the U, Z, H, E, J and F PLL algorithms > (and > > have forgotten the A one!). I guess I'm going to try to learn all > the > > PLL ones and then look at the OLL ones. Is that the general > approach > > to learning Fridrich? Since I learnt those PLL's I have found it > > possible to solve the cube in around 50 seconds whereas before it > was > > around 1 minute 30 or something like that if I went flat out. Still > > pretty slow compared to everyone here. > > > > Still, I had a go with Chris H's 'oh wow' scramble and was shocked > > when using my method after a few tries I solved it in 31 seconds. > > Well, That was a big Oh wow for me, anyway! :) > > > > I have two cubes, one I bought from a department store in August > with > > bright stickers on (which deteriorated really rapidly )- probably > the > > generic 3 x 3 Rubiks.com sell, and a Rubik's 3 x 3 DIY cube with > PVC > > stickers which I prefer. The DIY one seems to be easier to control > > turns on and more suitable for doing fast solves (although it's > > noisier according to my wife). Oh yes, and it has M0105B written on > > one of the corners. > > > > Does anyone have any opinions of the new anniversary cube? Is it > the > > same as the normal 3 x 3 but with a different centre white > sticker? Is > > it at all suitable for speedcubing? Are the stickers PVC or > polypropelene? > > > > That's it for now. > > > > Cheers, Matt > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Robbie Hank <robomb162@y...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > First thing: I was wondering if there are any cubers and/or any official or unofficial cube competitions near me. I live in Minnesota of the US. I learned how to do the cube about 3 weeks ago and got sub-50 non lucky this past week. It would be nice to talk with some people that really know a lot about the cube and also to enter in some competitions. Hi there. I'm from Iowa currently, but planning to move to Minnesota relatively soon. My girlfriend lives in Minneapolis as do many of our cubing friends. Where exactly are you from? As far as competitions go, the closest one to you to date has been Chicago. My girlfriend is working on starting a tournament at the U of M, but they want her to start a cube club first, so it's slow going. I know Jake Rueth is possibly planning a Wisconsin tournament for this spring, so keep your eyes peeled. At the very least, an informal cuber gathering is likely, assuming you don't live in Duluth or something. >>>>Actually I'm a sophomore at the U of M and I was talking to a friend about maybe starting a cube club. I think you need three people and a professor to start a club, so you can have your girlfriend count me as one of the three if she wants. Cheers, Robbie --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all, I've updated the information for my upcoming tournament: http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/EasternSpring2006.txt If you have any questions/concerns, or are interested in attending, please send me an email: richy_jr_2000@... Happy Cubing, -Richard

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > I think if you want a > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 for > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners...7 for > Orienting corners and 4 for Permuting Edges...so...3+4+7+4...18 > algorithms for a guaranteed 4LLL... Be careful about the word "need" :-) Besides dropping the number for PCLL from 4 down to 2, I've taken this a bit further now. You can do guaranteed 2-step PLL with a set of only 5 algs. I'll use Jessica's names: http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/Mike/permute.html (J1) = Jessica's J (J2) = L<->R mirror of (J1) (R1) = Jessica's R (R2) = L<->R mirror of (R1) You get all algs except H like this: U - (J1) y2 (J2) A - (J1) y (J2) Z - (J1) y' (R2) H - ??? E - (R1) y (J2) T - (J1) U' (J2) V - (J1) y (R1) U' F - (J1) y U (R1) R - (R1) J - (J1) Y - (J1) (J2) U G1- (R1) (J2) U' d' G2- (J1) (R2) U2 G3- (J2) (R1) d2 G4- (R2) (J1) U' d' N - (J1) y2 (J1) So those four algs plus H guarantees 2-step PLL. Is this optimal? I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible with only 4 algs. Cheers! Stefan

Sounds fun. I'd like to go but I live in Florida. Know of any competitions in Florida?

We really could use a tournament or two up here sometime soon. I'm also from Minnesota, so you can count me in for any tournament in the Iowa/Minn/Wisc area. Sorry, Richard. Tennessee is too far away. Joe Allen --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Robbie Hank <robomb162@y...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > First thing: I was wondering if there are any cubers and/or any official or unofficial cube competitions near me. I live in Minnesota of the US. I learned how to do the cube about 3 weeks ago and got sub-50 non lucky this past week. It would be nice to talk with some people that really know a lot about the cube and also to enter in some competitions. > > Next thing: Some people have been saying that you should not memorize the F2L algs and some people have been saying that that is what they did. Personally, I memorized the F2L algs in the sense that I got a sheet of paper and practiced the algs. However, I learn best by doing that and while I am doing that I look at the moves to see what is going on. I think this combines doing it intuitively and memorizing in a pretty good way, although maybe you don't get the satisfaction and good practice of doing it for yourself. I think it is right that you should not just learn algorithms. It would be like just memorizing a poem and not even realizing what it is saying. So am I going to suffer later on from learning F2L the way I did or will I be all right? > > Next next thing: I am switching my LL order so that it would be easier to move to OLL/PLL. Before I did the normal beginner LL: OE, PC, OC, PE. Now I have been trying to switch to OE, OC, PC, PE but somebody posted a different way to do this (I think it was oc, oe**, pe**, pc where the stars could be switched). Which would be the better way if I am aiming for OLL/PLL? I thought the way I was trying would be good because to do PC than PE I had to learn 7 of the PLL algs and then I could gradually incorporate more. > > Last thing: What does a good 3x3 usually cost and where can I get one. Mine is a Rubiks.com one that works reasonably well now that I put some silicon lube on it. > > Cheers, > Robbie > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

x' R2U'l'U' R'U l U l' U2 R U2 R' U' This is one I modified from Peter's PLL page. I'm sure someone has seen this already but I thought I'd share just in case. Happy cubing -Richard

If you started walking now you could make it just in time! :P --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Allen" <wallen@j...> wrote: > > We really could use a tournament or two up here sometime soon. I'm > also from Minnesota, so you can count me in for any tournament in the > Iowa/Minn/Wisc area. > > Sorry, Richard. Tennessee is too far away. > > Joe Allen > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Robbie Hank > <robomb162@y...> wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > First thing: I was wondering if there are any cubers and/or any > official or unofficial cube competitions near me. I live in Minnesota > of the US. I learned how to do the cube about 3 weeks ago and got > sub-50 non lucky this past week. It would be nice to talk with some > people that really know a lot about the cube and also to enter in some > competitions. > > > > Next thing: Some people have been saying that you should not > memorize the F2L algs and some people have been saying that that is > what they did. Personally, I memorized the F2L algs in the sense that > I got a sheet of paper and practiced the algs. However, I learn best > by doing that and while I am doing that I look at the moves to see > what is going on. I think this combines doing it intuitively and > memorizing in a pretty good way, although maybe you don't get the > satisfaction and good practice of doing it for yourself. I think it > is right that you should not just learn algorithms. It would be like > just memorizing a poem and not even realizing what it is saying. So > am I going to suffer later on from learning F2L the way I did or will > I be all right? > > > > Next next thing: I am switching my LL order so that it would be > easier to move to OLL/PLL. Before I did the normal beginner LL: OE, > PC, OC, PE. Now I have been trying to switch to OE, OC, PC, PE but > somebody posted a different way to do this (I think it was oc, oe**, > pe**, pc where the stars could be switched). Which would be the > better way if I am aiming for OLL/PLL? I thought the way I was trying > would be good because to do PC than PE I had to learn 7 of the PLL > algs and then I could gradually incorporate more. > > > > Last thing: What does a good 3x3 usually cost and where can I get > one. Mine is a Rubiks.com one that works reasonably well now that I > put some silicon lube on it. > > > > Cheers, > > Robbie > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > > Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Have you never heard that you can solve the LL with only 1 algorithm ? Just use FURU'R'F' wisely and you will be able to solve it (you might have to do it several times, and figure out how to combine several FURU'R'F' to affect only a few pieces. I can't remember the name of the french guy who found that. Have fun ! Gilles. 2006/1/9, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > I think if you want a > > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 for > > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners...7 for > > Orienting corners and 4 for Permuting Edges...so...3+4+7+4...18 > > algorithms for a guaranteed 4LLL... > > Be careful about the word "need" :-) > > Besides dropping the number for PCLL from 4 down to 2, I've taken this > a bit further now. You can do guaranteed 2-step PLL with a set of only > 5 algs. I'll use Jessica's names: > http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/Mike/permute.html > > (J1) = Jessica's J > (J2) = L<->R mirror of (J1) > (R1) = Jessica's R > (R2) = L<->R mirror of (R1) > > You get all algs except H like this: > > U - (J1) y2 (J2) > A - (J1) y (J2) > Z - (J1) y' (R2) > H - ??? > E - (R1) y (J2) > T - (J1) U' (J2) > V - (J1) y (R1) U' > F - (J1) y U (R1) > R - (R1) > J - (J1) > Y - (J1) (J2) U > G1- (R1) (J2) U' d' > G2- (J1) (R2) U2 > G3- (J2) (R1) d2 > G4- (R2) (J1) U' d' > N - (J1) y2 (J1) > > So those four algs plus H guarantees 2-step PLL. Is this optimal? I > wouldn't be surprised if it were possible with only 4 algs. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

That's not what I meant. I meant applying algs to the LL only. If you use that alg you mentioned on LL only, it's obvious you cannot solve the whole LL no matter how often you apply it. So if it works at all, then you have to apply the alg to other layers than the LL. Also, Craig was talking about a 4-look LL and I'm after a 2-step (better name than 2-look I think, but we mean the same) PLL. To be precise: find a smallest possible set of algs that change only the U layer and which solve every PLL case with at most two alg applications (from that set) together with any U-turns before, between or after the algs. Currently the best I know is 5. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > Have you never heard that you can solve the LL with only 1 algorithm ? > Just use FURU'R'F' wisely and you will be able to solve it (you might > have to do it several times, and figure out how to combine several > FURU'R'F' to affect only a few pieces. > I can't remember the name of the french guy who found that. > > Have fun ! > Gilles. > > > 2006/1/9, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > I think if you want a > > > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 for > > > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners...7 for > > > Orienting corners and 4 for Permuting Edges...so...3+4+7+4...18 > > > algorithms for a guaranteed 4LLL... > > > > Be careful about the word "need" :-) > > > > Besides dropping the number for PCLL from 4 down to 2, I've taken this > > a bit further now. You can do guaranteed 2-step PLL with a set of only > > 5 algs. I'll use Jessica's names: > > http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/Mike/permute.html > > > > (J1) = Jessica's J > > (J2) = L<->R mirror of (J1) > > (R1) = Jessica's R > > (R2) = L<->R mirror of (R1) > > > > You get all algs except H like this: > > > > U - (J1) y2 (J2) > > A - (J1) y (J2) > > Z - (J1) y' (R2) > > H - ??? > > E - (R1) y (J2) > > T - (J1) U' (J2) > > V - (J1) y (R1) U' > > F - (J1) y U (R1) > > R - (R1) > > J - (J1) > > Y - (J1) (J2) U > > G1- (R1) (J2) U' d' > > G2- (J1) (R2) U2 > > G3- (J2) (R1) d2 > > G4- (R2) (J1) U' d' > > N - (J1) y2 (J1) > > > > So those four algs plus H guarantees 2-step PLL. Is this optimal? I > > wouldn't be surprised if it were possible with only 4 algs. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I once heard a good joke...not gunna repeat it...but anyways... I like your thinking Stefan, but I was aiming for a 1 algorithm solution to most cases in a 4LLL...the concept you described is actually quite wonderful...i would try it...but I'm lazy :p as you know...but if you are a beginner who wants something easy, but also wants to learn a more advanced solution I would suggest trying what I suggested, as what you suggested would take more moves on average... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > That's not what I meant. I meant applying algs to the LL only. If you > use that alg you mentioned on LL only, it's obvious you cannot solve > the whole LL no matter how often you apply it. So if it works at all, > then you have to apply the alg to other layers than the LL. > > Also, Craig was talking about a 4-look LL and I'm after a 2-step > (better name than 2-look I think, but we mean the same) PLL. > > To be precise: find a smallest possible set of algs that change only > the U layer and which solve every PLL case with at most two alg > applications (from that set) together with any U-turns before, between > or after the algs. Currently the best I know is 5. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > > > Have you never heard that you can solve the LL with only 1 algorithm > ? > > Just use FURU'R'F' wisely and you will be able to solve it (you > might > > have to do it several times, and figure out how to combine several > > FURU'R'F' to affect only a few pieces. > > I can't remember the name of the french guy who found that. > > > > Have fun ! > > Gilles. > > > > > > 2006/1/9, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...>: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think if you want a > > > > 4LLL(every time) or less with skips...then you need to learn: 3 > for > > > > (as you call it) the cross on top, 4 for permuting corners...7 > for > > > > Orienting corners and 4 for Permuting Edges...so...3+4+7+4...18 > > > > algorithms for a guaranteed 4LLL... > > > > > > Be careful about the word "need" :-) > > > > > > Besides dropping the number for PCLL from 4 down to 2, I've taken > this > > > a bit further now. You can do guaranteed 2-step PLL with a set of > only > > > 5 algs. I'll use Jessica's names: > > > http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/Mike/permute.html > > > > > > (J1) = Jessica's J > > > (J2) = L<->R mirror of (J1) > > > (R1) = Jessica's R > > > (R2) = L<->R mirror of (R1) > > > > > > You get all algs except H like this: > > > > > > U - (J1) y2 (J2) > > > A - (J1) y (J2) > > > Z - (J1) y' (R2) > > > H - ??? > > > E - (R1) y (J2) > > > T - (J1) U' (J2) > > > V - (J1) y (R1) U' > > > F - (J1) y U (R1) > > > R - (R1) > > > J - (J1) > > > Y - (J1) (J2) U > > > G1- (R1) (J2) U' d' > > > G2- (J1) (R2) U2 > > > G3- (J2) (R1) d2 > > > G4- (R2) (J1) U' d' > > > N - (J1) y2 (J1) > > > > > > So those four algs plus H guarantees 2-step PLL. Is this optimal? > I > > > wouldn't be surprised if it were possible with only 4 algs. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://www.innergeek.us/geek-test.html Well David Barr showed me this...and I wanna know scores from everyone, if not everyone, at least Tyson... My Score was 16.96252% - I am a geek...meh...you're screwed to be a geek at least a bit...it says that owning/solving rubik's cubes is geeky...humph... Craig

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > I once heard a good joke...not gunna repeat it...but anyways... > > I like your thinking Stefan, but I was aiming for a 1 algorithm > solution to most cases in a 4LLL...the concept you described is > actually quite wonderful...i would try it...but I'm lazy :p as you > know...but if you are a beginner who wants something easy, but also > wants to learn a more advanced solution I would suggest trying what I > suggested, as what you suggested would take more moves on average... > > Craig For simplicity, let's assume all algs are 12 moves. If you permute corners and edges *separately* you'll need (5/6)*12 + (11/12)*12 = 21 moves. If you *combine* permuting corners and edges using 5 algs, then it looks like this: (3*2*1)*(4*3) = 72 cases after solving one corner with a U turn. We need: 1 * 0 algs 21 * 1 alg 50 * 2 algs On average that's 20.17 moves, ha! :-) (I admit being a bit sloppy but I hope the general idea is clear) Furthermore, you can easily reduce twisting work for free with separate permutations. For permuting corners you have one alg to swap adjacent corners and one to swap diagonally opposite corners. Consider the latter case and let the algorithm be this one: http://www.cubewhiz.com/images/pll/pll21.gif Now: 1) Rotate U so that the FL corner is solved (BR is solved, too, and the other two need to be swapped). 2) Look where the edge at F belongs. - If it belongs at F, simply apply the alg. - If it belongs at R, do y2 and apply the alg. - If it belongs at B, do U'd and apply the alg. - If it belongs at L, do y2 and go to step 1) unless you've done that before, in which case you just apply the alg. This is fairly simple and guarantees that at least one edge is solved, and then you don't need the Z and H perms anymore, you're guaranteed a 3-cycle or even a edge permutation skip with 1/3 chance (hey, you don't even have to declare it lucky then :-). If two adjacent corners need to be swapped, it's not so easy. For swapping two diagonally opposite corners it doesn't matter which two opposite corners you swap, i.e. you can apply the alg from all four angles and the corners will be solved (at least relative to each other). But for adjacent corners, you just have one angle. So you can't influence the edges if you only know one alg, and you can't prevent getting e.g. Z or H. You need separate algs for that. But using J and its mirror is enough. And a rule to decide which to apply is also very easy. Summary: Using Y, J, mirror(J), U and mirror(U) is enough for easy 2-step PLL. No need learning H and Z. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > http://www.innergeek.us/geek-test.html > > Well David Barr showed me this...and I wanna know scores from > everyone, if not everyone, at least Tyson... > > My Score was 16.96252% - I am a geek...meh...you're screwed to be a > geek at least a bit...it says that owning/solving rubik's cubes is > geeky...humph... > > Craig This has appeared here before, so if you're interested in results, try to find the old thread :-) IIRC I stopped after the first page or so, when I realized how long it would take me to finish it... Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > For simplicity, let's assume all algs are 12 moves. Assuming you use the 7 move (in stm; 9 in htm) algs to cycle 3 edges, it gets even better. > If you permute corners and edges *separately* you'll need (5/6)*12 + > (11/12)*12 = 21 moves. (5/6)*12 + (11/12)*7 = 16.46 moves (18.25 htm) > Cheers! > Stefan -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > For simplicity, let's assume all algs are 12 moves. > > Assuming you use the 7 move (in stm; 9 in htm) algs to cycle 3 edges, > it gets even better. > > > If you permute corners and edges *separately* you'll need (5/6)*12 + > > (11/12)*12 = 21 moves. > > (5/6)*12 + (11/12)*7 = 16.46 moves (18.25 htm) If I'd have read that last post correctly, I'd have done this the right way. Oops. (5/6)*12 + (11/12)*7.55 = ~17 moves (19 htm) > > Cheers! > > Stefan -Mike (again)

You can do Z-perm in 7 moves? Shortest I know is M2 U F2 M2 F2 M2 U' M2, what's your alg? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > For simplicity, let's assume all algs are 12 moves. > > Assuming you use the 7 move (in stm; 9 in htm) algs to cycle 3 edges, > it gets even better. > > > If you permute corners and edges *separately* you'll need (5/6)*12 + > > (11/12)*12 = 21 moves. > > (5/6)*12 + (11/12)*7 = 16.46 moves (18.25 htm) > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > -Mike >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > My Score was 16.96252% - I am a geek...meh...you're screwed to be a > geek at least a bit...it says that owning/solving rubik's cubes is > geeky...humph... Just be "grateful" that you don't do fantasy/RPG. But I think the idea of the test is to score high, and be proud of it. ;) With fairly honest answers (to the extent that I could be bothered to think about them) I got 15.77909% (Geek). By including some past interests and with a flexible interpretation of some of the questions I raised that to 23.4714% (still only a Geek). Mike

Ok, just to close this properly: Extending your textual reasoning should look like this: - If the first step is skipped (probability x) then we're done. - Otherwise (probability (1-x)) if the second step is skipped (probability y) then we're done. - Still otherwise (probability (1-x)(1-y)) if the third step is skipped (probability z) then we're done. So you'd get x + (1-x)*y + (1-x)*(1-y)*z or x + (1-x) * (y + (1-y) * z). This works but is is complicated. You ask for "at least one step skipped". You could try to solve similar but extreme cases cause those are generally easier, e.g. "all steps skipped" (probability x*y*z) or "no steps skipped" (probability (1-x)(1-y)(1-z)). And if you then realized that "at least one" is the opposite of "none" then you could answer your question simply by: 1 - (1-x)(1-y)(1-z) Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > > <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yep. Can you also show a concise formula for three things, i. e. > x, > > y > > > > and z? > > > > > > Px + (Pnotx * Py + (Pnoty* Pz)) > > > > > > That still seems not right, though. > > > > Why not? (True, it isn't, but why do *you* say so?) > > Actually I shouldn't have told you. I should let you do some > verification yourself first. For example some general obvious tests. > It's a probability, so it should be between 0 and 1. Obviously it's > never less than 0, but it's easy to get it above 1. Also, symmetry. > Choose three different values for x, y and z. Then change their order, > e.g. swapping the values of x and y. The value should stay the same, > but does it? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Ok, just to close this properly: Thank you. I hadn't posted again yet because I was still trying to figure out the way to do it properly. It was driving me nuts. My only real problem is that it was a lot simpler in the end than I was trying to make it. You don't even want to see my notes on it. :( > Cheers! > Stefan -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > Ok, just to close this properly: > > Thank you. I hadn't posted again yet because I was still trying to > figure out the way to do it properly. It was driving me nuts. My > only real problem is that it was a lot simpler in the end than I was > trying to make it. You don't even want to see my notes on it. :( > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > -Mike Oh, ok, sorry then. It's just that most threads that don't get new posts for a few days are already dead and forgotten :-). Well, at least I did make you think about it... Btw, I really do recommend Polya's book, it's not only great but also very cheap. Cheers! Stefan

I just have to share this with you all. Earlier today I solved the cube one-handed in 25.89. My old record was 28.14 so it was quite a big improvement. It was totally non-lucky but with the easiest cases for OLL and PLL. I also set a new average record of 35.51!! My long time goal is to win the one-handed event at the european championships. (There will be a EC this summer, right??) I'm hoping to average sub-30 before summer and hopefully faster than Joël, Anssi and other europeans at the same. I also did a lucky 22.83 a few days ago, with a PLL-skip. Hopefully more europeans will try to get their times down before summer. /Gunnar

Hi :-) That's awesome times :-) "Den löser sej, den gör det alltid ... " ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@s...> wrote: > > I just have to share this with you all. Earlier today I solved the > cube one-handed in 25.89. My old record was 28.14 so it was quite a > big improvement. It was totally non-lucky but with the easiest cases > for OLL and PLL. I also set a new average record of 35.51!! > > My long time goal is to win the one-handed event at the european > championships. (There will be a EC this summer, right??) I'm hoping to > average sub-30 before summer and hopefully faster than Joël, Anssi and > other europeans at the same. I also did a lucky 22.83 a few days ago, > with a PLL-skip. Hopefully more europeans will try to get their times > down before summer. > > /Gunnar >

(M2' U)(M2' U)(M' U2)(M2' U2)(M' U2) Bobs Alg (M2 U)(M2 U) u2 M' E2 M' (M2 U)(M2 U) z' l2 (E M2 E) My old wierd Alg U2 (M2 U)(M2 U)(M2 B2)(M2 B2) My new cool alg accidently found this this morning using roux stuff. Probably nothing new.. Jason Kovacic

Whom are you citing? You yourself? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:49 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Great time for one-handed solving!!! Hi :-) That's awesome times :-) "Den löser sej, den gör det alltid ... " ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@s...> wrote: > > I just have to share this with you all. Earlier today I solved the > cube one-handed in 25.89. My old record was 28.14 so it was quite a > big improvement. It was totally non-lucky but with the easiest cases > for OLL and PLL. I also set a new average record of 35.51!! > > My long time goal is to win the one-handed event at the european > championships. (There will be a EC this summer, right??) I'm hoping to > average sub-30 before summer and hopefully faster than Joël, Anssi and > other europeans at the same. I also did a lucky 22.83 a few days ago, > with a PLL-skip. Hopefully more europeans will try to get their times > down before summer. > > /Gunnar > Yahoo! Groups Links

here is a link if anyone is interested Go to "Mensa Workout." There are 30 questions to answer in 30 min. Its not an IQ test but entertaining. http://www.mensa.org/index0.php?page=12 jason Kovacic PS. The geek test was way too long. After the first 100 questions, I said to myself, "Yea, I get it; I'm a geek."

Hehe ... No, im citing Timbuktu :-) (slightly rewritten though ...) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@h...> wrote: > > Whom are you citing? You yourself? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:49 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Great time for one-handed solving!!! > > > Hi :-) > > That's awesome times :-) > > "Den löser sej, den gör det alltid ... " ;-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" > <gunkr520@s...> wrote: > > > > I just have to share this with you all. Earlier today I solved the > > cube one-handed in 25.89. My old record was 28.14 so it was quite > a > > big improvement. It was totally non-lucky but with the easiest > cases > > for OLL and PLL. I also set a new average record of 35.51!! > > > > My long time goal is to win the one-handed event at the european > > championships. (There will be a EC this summer, right??) I'm > hoping to > > average sub-30 before summer and hopefully faster than Joël, Anssi > and > > other europeans at the same. I also did a lucky 22.83 a few days > ago, > > with a PLL-skip. Hopefully more europeans will try to get their > times > > down before summer. > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > That's awesome times :-) > > "Den löser sej, den gör det alltid ... " ;-) > > -Per LOL /Gunnar

I took it a while ago. I think is was either 36 or 61... i took two tests and mixed up the scores.

Hello, Very nice algorithm (I'm happy to have found it and thought to Bob at the WC :D) I had found nearly the same improvement but using the F face, but B is usually faster I have to admit. Well, it's good for you that you found it :-) http://www.belgiancubes.be/algorithms.html Gilles. 2006/1/10, kovacic81 <kovacic81@...>: > > > > > > (M2' U)(M2' U)(M' U2)(M2' U2)(M' U2) > Bobs Alg > > (M2 U)(M2 U) u2 M' E2 M' > (M2 U)(M2 U) z' l2 (E M2 E) > My old wierd Alg > > > > > U2 (M2 U)(M2 U)(M2 B2)(M2 B2) > > My new cool alg > > > accidently found this this morning using roux stuff. Probably nothing > new.. > > > Jason Kovacic > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

20 %, why don't they have "I own 20+ Rubik's Cubes" That would give us a lot of points no ? Have fun ! Gilles. 2006/1/10, thebunze <thebunze@gmail.com>: > I took it a while ago. I think is was either 36 or 61... i took two > tests and mixed up the scores. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > here is a link if anyone is interested > > Go to "Mensa Workout." There are 30 questions to answer in 30 min. > Its not an IQ test but entertaining. > > http://www.mensa.org/index0.php?page=12 > > > jason Kovacic Bah, I got three wrong cause of my English vocabulary... :-( Cheers! Stefan

How would y'all suggest preparing a 4x4x4 for speedsolving? Did you take yours apart? I've seen the pictures of how to reassemble one and I don't think I'm up for that. With my 3x3x3 cubes, I just played with them until they were nice and broken in, then took them apart, cleaned, lubed, and put on new stickers. But replacement stickers aren't as easy to come by for the 4x4x4, so I'd rather not wear them out. - Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > here is a link if anyone is interested > > > > Go to "Mensa Workout." There are 30 questions to answer in 30 min. > > Its not an IQ test but entertaining. > > > > http://www.mensa.org/index0.php?page=12 > > > > > > jason Kovacic > > Bah, I got three wrong cause of my English vocabulary... :-( > > Cheers! > Stefan > Dont feel too bad about getting 27. I got 25 and English is my only language. (4 of 5 missed were word problems) Jason K

Hi All, Just thoght you might be interested in this email I got today: Good Morning Peter We have received the above mentioned order including the Money Order in the mail today, since the placing of this order it was discovered that the factory made an error in the tooling of the 8 corner pieces included in the 3x3 Black Assembly kits. Therefore the existing stock had to be pulled from the site. Replacement product is on its way from the Factory in China. We will not be able to process this order until the replacement product arrives (estimated delivery time is Jan 20th.) I will remove the order from the Money Order Page so you will not sent order reminder e-mails and it will be left in the orders to process page. Thank you, The Rubik's Shop customer service Thats quite annoying!! Peter Greenwood

Hello Again Here's an alg thats kind of fun. I don't know if its already been found, or even if it's any good. But I "discovered" it on my own, trying to find a good ROUX ending for this case. (M'U) (MU2) (M'U) (M'U) (M'U2) (M U) M2 (M'U) is fast I think that this alg is faster than [(M'U)(M'U)(M'd2)]2 = (MU)(MU)(MU2)(M'U)(M'U)(M'U2) jason k

Watch EXTRA today at 7 PM if you get a chance. I think it's on NBC, but I'm not sure. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

-- PS Or you could do M'U M U2 M'U M AND then some cool PELL That means I've made a cool PELL (M2U)(M'U2)(MUM2) 7 MOVES but no changing grip Before you criticize all of the M U, Let us not forget that F2 U M' U2 M U F2 is really just (M'U2MU2 <-a CF PLL) with a setup move I really like M2 U M2 U2 M2 U M2 and U2(M2 U M2 U)(M2 B2 M2 B2) for PELLs I might as well just use all M U for PELLs - In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > Hello Again > > > > Here's an alg thats kind of fun. > I don't know if its already been found, or even if it's any good. > > But I "discovered" it on my own, trying to find a good ROUX ending for > this case. > > (M'U) (MU2) > (M'U) (M'U) (M'U2) > (M U) M2 > > > (M'U) is fast > > I think that this alg is faster than > [(M'U)(M'U)(M'd2)]2 = (MU)(MU)(MU2)(M'U)(M'U)(M'U2) > > > jason k >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Hi All, > Just thoght you might be interested in this email I got today: > > Good Morning Peter > > We have received the above mentioned order including the Money Order > in the mail today, since the placing of this order it was discovered > that the factory made an error in the tooling of the 8 corner pieces > included in the 3x3 Black Assembly kits. Therefore the existing stock > had to be pulled from the site. Replacement product is on its way from > the Factory in China. We will not be able to process this order until > the replacement product arrives (estimated delivery time is Jan 20th.) > I will remove the order from the Money Order Page so you will not sent > order reminder e-mails and it will be left in the orders to process page. > > Thank you, > > The Rubik's Shop customer service > > > > Thats quite annoying!! Yeah, let's all go and beat those China boys up! Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > But replacement stickers aren't as easy to come by for the > 4x4x4, so I'd rather not wear them out. > > - Matt Huh? -> www.cubesmith.com Cheers! Stefan

Hey I just turned it on, what am I looking for? Soemthign about cubing? BTW I missed beauty and the geek but my friend saw it =D

What station? ----- Original Message ----- From: thebunze To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: EXTRA Hey I just turned it on, what am I looking for? Soemthign about cubing? BTW I missed beauty and the geek but my friend saw it =D SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/226 - Release Date: 1/10/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

www.extratv.com for your area they just talked about beauty and the geek for less then 15 seconds, is there more to come?

Okay... obviously an honest effort on my part would have helped. Last time I ordered my stickers from Rubiks.com, I didn't recall seeing stickers for anything but the 3x3x3. Sorry. On 1/10/06, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Matt Moberly > <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > > But replacement stickers aren't as easy to come by for the > > 4x4x4, so I'd rather not wear them out. > > > > - Matt > > Huh? > -> www.cubesmith.com > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Strip Poker huh Tyson??? I don't see you in a lot of the shots...I take it you got kicked out early??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > www.extratv.com for your area > > they just talked about beauty and the geek for less then 15 seconds, > is there more to come? >

Wow Jason that is a nice alg, I like it. Not sure if I can make it faster than my usual 2 gen alg, but you've got me interested. Will definitely mess around with this alg some more and see what I can do. Thanks for posting these, I've been following along with your posts and they're very interesting. Chris > That means I've made a cool PELL > > (M2U)(M'U2)(MUM2)

Only 15 seconds? Oh well... yeah, that's it, I guess. Unless that was only a teaser. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 10, 2006, at 4:13 PM, thebunze wrote: > Hey I just turned it on, what am I looking for? Soemthign about cubing? > > > BTW I missed beauty and the geek but my friend saw it =D > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hi :-) Cool adjacent LL double-flip :-) The other alg u mention flips 2 opposite edges so it's not the same. However taking (MU)(MU)(MU2)(M'U)(M'U)(M'U2) and shifting it cyclically to (MU)(MU2)(M'U)(M'U)(M'U2)(MU) and conjugating with M2 we get : (M'U)(MU2)(M'U)(M'U)(M'U2)(MU)M2 . Indeed the same as what u found, so it's not really "new" :D Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > Hello Again > > > > Here's an alg thats kind of fun. > I don't know if its already been found, or even if it's any good. > > But I "discovered" it on my own, trying to find a good ROUX ending for > this case. > > (M'U) (MU2) > (M'U) (M'U) (M'U2) > (M U) M2 > > > (M'U) is fast > > I think that this alg is faster than > [(M'U)(M'U)(M'd2)]2 = (MU)(MU)(MU2)(M'U)(M'U)(M'U2) > > > jason k >

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/8720/tysonsig7yi.jpg Someone mentioned something with photoshop...and it inspired me to see if I was still any good at what I sued to do...pulled this off in maybe 30 minutes of thinking of how to do stuff again, nothing too fancy, if you wanna see my other stuff message me...they site doesn't like too many visitors :p Craig

All at about the same time, I got my 5x5x5, the top four square-1 positions stopped changing, and I got really busy. So I started slacking on 3x3x3 and square-1, and now I'm trying to get back into it. (Just by the way, I thought that my algorithm memory would have suffered the most from a break, but it ended up being twisting accuracy that I'm having the most trouble getting back) Any advice for getting back into form after a pseudo-hiatus? Thanks for your help, Ben.

Hey Ben, Just some ideas from times I've taken a long break but definitely take the time to follow your instincts. When you practice all the time you get into a sort of routine and do the same things for the same old situations all the time. When you take a break you lose these habits and start thinking intuitively again. If at some point you think "wow why do I do this when another strategy is better?" then take the time now to switch. I've noticed a number of my bad habits and have been able to correct them after taking a break. As far as your times, those really shouldn't take long. It's easier to relearn than to learn for the first time, so all it takes is a little time to get your hands/mind to remember. Seriously though, take the time to let your intuition help you analyze your strategy and hopefully catch any bad habits. Not much advice here, but I hope it helps. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@y...> wrote: > > All at about the same time, I got my 5x5x5, the top four square-1 > positions stopped changing, and I got really busy. > > So I started slacking on 3x3x3 and square-1, and now I'm trying to get > back into it. > > (Just by the way, I thought that my algorithm memory would have > suffered the most from a break, but it ended up being twisting accuracy > that I'm having the most trouble getting back) > > > Any advice for getting back into form after a pseudo-hiatus? > > > Thanks for your help, > Ben. >

Hey everyone, Just a reminder that though we encourage some off topic posts that are not related to cubing, please do not use this forum to advertise for financial opportunities or potential gains that are unrelated to cubing. I have removed a message that did not follow these rules. Thanks, and please help to keep our forum fun and at least somewhat cubing related! Chris Moderator

I dont think that these messages are posted by *real* people. Thesee are just bots who scan around for groups which dont need any registering and start spamming here. Sachin. On 1/11/06, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Just a reminder that though we encourage some off topic posts that are > not related to cubing, please do not use this forum to advertise for > financial opportunities or potential gains that are unrelated to cubing. > > I have removed a message that did not follow these rules. > > Thanks, and please help to keep our forum fun and at least somewhat > cubing related! > > Chris > Moderator > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Wow Jason that is a nice alg, I like it. Not sure if I can make it > faster than my usual 2 gen alg, but you've got me interested. Will > definitely mess around with this alg some more and see what I can do. > > Thanks for posting these, I've been following along with your posts > and they're very interesting. > > Chris > > > That means I've made a cool PELL > > > > (M2U)(M'U2)(MUM2) For the original alg you posted to flip edges, that's already the alg I use for that case, but you peform is from a y2 standpoint. And as Per mentioned, that alg and the other one do different things. Actually, now that I think about it, that's the same case for this alg. I use this and the mirror to cycle 3 edges in about 1.6 seconds on average, but again, I perform them from the other side. I got them from Gilles' site a long time ago. But kudos on discovering them for yourself. Now hurry up and find a nice way for me to place the edge in UR(with the R color on the side) to FR, and flip UB, UL, UF, and UR. 9 or 10 moves, if possible. :) -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > > > Wow Jason that is a nice alg, I like it. Not sure if I can make it > > faster than my usual 2 gen alg, but you've got me interested. Will > > definitely mess around with this alg some more and see what I can do. > > > > Thanks for posting these, I've been following along with your posts > > and they're very interesting. > > > > Chris > > > > > That means I've made a cool PELL > > > > > > (M2U)(M'U2)(MUM2) > > For the original alg you posted to flip edges, that's already the alg > I use for that case, but you peform is from a y2 standpoint. And as > Per mentioned, that alg and the other one do different things. > > Actually, now that I think about it, that's the same case for this > alg. I use this and the mirror to cycle 3 edges in about 1.6 seconds > on average, but again, I perform them from the other side. I got them > from Gilles' site a long time ago. > > But kudos on discovering them for yourself. Now hurry up and find a > nice way for me to place the edge in UR(with the R color on the side) > to FR, and flip UB, UL, UF, and UR. 9 or 10 moves, if possible. :) > > -Mike > x HEllo WHen I say discover, I guess I mean that I found it. Meaning that it existed prior to me "finding/discovering" it. I know that I haven't invented or created something, like a system. If there are short sequences to move certain pieces around, then I'm sure that most are already found. I don't use computers in any way with cubing. Other than sunday contest of course, and this little forum. Edge Flipping ALg M'U MU2M'UM'UM'U2MUM2 PELL M2U M'U2 MUM2 I Also "discovered" a Z perm today. U2 M2U M2U x' M2U2 M2U2 A T Perm I "discovered" about a year ago. (R2U'R2UR2) y R2UR2 x2 d' R2 U Another PELL I "discovered" about 2 years ago z U M U'RUM'U'RU'M'U R2U'MU totally useless for speedcubing, but it's interesting how the middle layer restores itself... kind of like (RU'R'U)2 and (U'RUR')2 Also, I know that the 2 edge flipping algs are for different cases. I only knew (M'UM'UM'd2)2 before this morning. I wanted to find something faster for 2 adjacent edges(faster than using setup moves and the edgeflip alg). I figured that I would find a ROUX solution with a PLL skip, which is exactly what i did. 13 moves isn't bad at all. MIKE- are you saying that you have been using M2UM'U2MUM2 to cycle 3 edges for a long time now? I've never heard of anyone using this alg to Move 3 edges. I use 2gen for 3 cycles usually. But with Roux, I rarely get these cases. PLLs in Middle layer (PMLs?) are ALL faster that PELLs for Zb JASON K

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote:> > MIKE- are you saying that you have been using M2UM'U2MUM2 to cycle 3 > edges for a long time now? > I've never heard of anyone using this alg to Move 3 edges. > I use 2gen for 3 cycles usually. But with Roux, I rarely get these > cases. PLLs in Middle layer (PMLs?) are ALL faster that PELLs for Zb > > > JASON K Yep. I've been using them that way since probably April or May of last year. They're Gilles' move for when the UR and UL edges are both in the U layer after orientation. Check out his site. Previously, I had used L2 U F' B L2 F B' U L2 and its inverse, but this was just so much easier. Like I said, with practice, it only takes me under 1.6 on average for either direction. I really, really need to learn to do it from the opposite side, though... Really, all this move is is the M2 setup move, followed by a PML alg, and undoing the setup. It's the same thing as my beginner alg, but performing with no regrips and only using MU makes it incredibly fast. It's one of the reasons COLL works for me. -Mike

Sorry, I´m very uneducated. I know Timbuktu only as a city. Who is (was) he? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Great time for one-handed solving!!! Hehe ... No, im citing Timbuktu :-) (slightly rewritten though ...) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@h...> wrote: > > Whom are you citing? You yourself? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:49 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Great time for one-handed solving!!! > > > Hi :-) > > That's awesome times :-) > > "Den löser sej, den gör det alltid ... " ;-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" > <gunkr520@s...> wrote: > > > > I just have to share this with you all. Earlier today I solved the > > cube one-handed in 25.89. My old record was 28.14 so it was quite > a > > big improvement. It was totally non-lucky but with the easiest > cases > > for OLL and PLL. I also set a new average record of 35.51!! > > > > My long time goal is to win the one-handed event at the european > > championships. (There will be a EC this summer, right??) I'm > hoping to > > average sub-30 before summer and hopefully faster than Joël, Anssi > and > > other europeans at the same. I also did a lucky 22.83 a few days > ago, > > with a PLL-skip. Hopefully more europeans will try to get their > times > > down before summer. > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > Yahoo! Groups Links

if you plan on learning the full fridrich last layer i guess this is the best way to do it... 4 look (4 steps) ------ (of course less algorithms will work too, but this is the amount required to do each step by executing just 1 algorithm) orient edges (3 algorithms, to make a cross on LL) orient corners (7 to make entire LL same color) permute edges (4) \ (or first corners then edges) permute corners (3) / 3 look ------ orient edges (3) orient corners (7) permute all (21) 2 look ------ orient all (57) permute all (21) --- shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@...> wrote: > ( i was kinda suprised when no one replyed to > this mail yet ..... u guys send like CRAZY ... oh > well thought u might have missed it since it was a > thread before well anyways...( this mail was more of > a replay and a question) > > Thats my question too.... i have been doing that > for the last layer... > 1) place the edges up > 2) put corners in the right place > 3) put the corners up > 4) place edges in the right place > ( i will probably be going on to the 3 look later > on ) > > the question is that on > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/4lookLL.html > ( website given to me very recently... i am going to > use it for 3 LLL method) > it says > > 1) flip (orient) edges > 2) flip (orient) corners > 3) move (permute) corners > 4) move (permute) edges > > In this method u flip the colors of the corners up > 1st and then put them in the right place ....... > > ... so is this way faster? > ill need to learn 3 more algs but thats easy and > then ill have to learn 3 less when i go on to the 3 > look method :D ( another 2 to up up the edges > aswell) > > please go to the link if u have trouble > understanding what i am saying ( dont know those > fancy words yet :P) > well u guys are the experts and u probably did all > the calculations before and can even gice me some > numbers and tell up which is shorter....etc :P > > SHAMSUL > > Khawaja __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hey all I'm so excited I just got a non lucky 11.38! Man, I can't believe I did that! My normal average is around 20 seconds, with a previous PB of 14.05. I just got a very very very fast solve. This was the scramble: D2 R L2 B2 U2 D B F2 R2 B U' R' B2 R F2 L' B' D2 F2 L D F2 D' B' L' and my solve: Easy x-cross: y' L U F2 2nd pair: (y3) U2 L' U L 3rd pair: (y2) L' U L U2 y' R U R' 4th pair: (y') R U R' U' R U R' OLL: (y2) R' F R B' R' F' R B PLL: (U) F2 L' U' r U2 l' U R' U' R2 Which is 40 moves / 11.38 seconds = ~3.5 moves/sec I don't think it was lucky, but want to hear from you what you think Man, I'm sooooooooooooooooooooo happy with this!!! Pedro --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Which is faster? I don't know the specific answer-- it would depend on your technique as much as anything. However the second strategy is closer to a 2-look LL, where you orient in one alg and permute in another. So maybe that's a better way to start learning, because you could learn the corners-only and edges-only algs for orientation and permutation (for a total of four looks). Then as you learn the combined cases, you can sometimes apply one to skip a look. I think many people do this on their way to learning the full OLL set. For PLL there are fewer cases so that strategy will be more short-term. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@y...> wrote: > > ( i was kinda suprised when no one replyed to this mail yet ..... u guys send like CRAZY ... oh well thought u might have missed it since it was a thread before well anyways...( this mail was more of a replay and a question) > > Thats my question too.... i have been doing that for the last layer... > 1) place the edges up > 2) put corners in the right place > 3) put the corners up > 4) place edges in the right place > ( i will probably be going on to the 3 look later on ) > > the question is that on http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/4lookLL.html ( website given to me very recently... i am going to use it for 3 LLL method) > it says > > 1) flip (orient) edges > 2) flip (orient) corners > 3) move (permute) corners > 4) move (permute) edges > > In this method u flip the colors of the corners up 1st and then put them in the right place ....... > > ... so is this way faster? > ill need to learn 3 more algs but thats easy and then ill have to learn 3 less when i go on to the 3 look method :D ( another 2 to up up the edges aswell) > > please go to the link if u have trouble understanding what i am saying ( dont know those fancy words yet :P) > well u guys are the experts and u probably did all the calculations before and can even gice me some numbers and tell up which is shorter....etc :P > > > > > > SHAMSUL > > Khawaja > > > > --------------------------------- > Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi Pedro I usually post on Fewest Moves Challenge Forum, but your question sounded interesting ;) If you browse FMC past results, you'll find that last year we competed for a special F2L FMC: http://www.cosine-systems.com/cubestation/fmcresults/fmcresults171204- 2layers.php (hopefully Dan is going to post the results for 2005 Christmas FMC as well very soon) We had two weeks to solve the F2L, and as you can see the best took around 20 moves. This is quite representative of FMC experts approach. So in my opinion, your 21 moves F2L while SPEEDCUBING sounds a bit lucky, sorry ;) I don't remember speedcubing standards for considering a slove as lucky, so it is just my opinion of FMC solver ... anyway, did you guys ever took an average of moves you take for solving the F2L while speedsolving ? I think a moves number limit for F2L could be a good benchmark for considering a solve as lucky, instead of considering all 5 Fridrich steps (cross + 4 pairs) (?) Cheers ! (a tribute to Stefan ;) ) cyril --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > I don't think it was lucky, but want to hear from you what you think > Hey all > > I'm so excited > I just got a non lucky 11.38! Man, I can't believe I did that! My normal average is around 20 seconds, with a previous PB of 14.05. I just got a very very very fast solve. This was the scramble: > > D2 R L2 B2 U2 D B F2 R2 B U' R' B2 R F2 L' B' D2 F2 L D F2 D' B' L' > > and my solve: > Easy x-cross: y' L U F2 > 2nd pair: (y3) U2 L' U L > 3rd pair: (y2) L' U L U2 y' R U R' > 4th pair: (y') R U R' U' R U R' > OLL: (y2) R' F R B' R' F' R B > PLL: (U) F2 L' U' r U2 l' U R' U' R2 > > Which is 40 moves / 11.38 seconds = ~3.5 moves/sec > > I don't think it was lucky, but want to hear from you what you think > > Man, I'm sooooooooooooooooooooo happy with this!!! > > Pedro > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi Cyril I was talking to Joël van Noort, and he said that it was not lucky. But I think your point of view is fair. Let's hear what the other experts think...: ) Pedro cycastel <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Hi Pedro I usually post on Fewest Moves Challenge Forum, but your question sounded interesting ;) If you browse FMC past results, you'll find that last year we competed for a special F2L FMC: http://www.cosine-systems.com/cubestation/fmcresults/fmcresults171204- 2layers.php (hopefully Dan is going to post the results for 2005 Christmas FMC as well very soon) We had two weeks to solve the F2L, and as you can see the best took around 20 moves. This is quite representative of FMC experts approach. So in my opinion, your 21 moves F2L while SPEEDCUBING sounds a bit lucky, sorry ;) I don't remember speedcubing standards for considering a slove as lucky, so it is just my opinion of FMC solver ... anyway, did you guys ever took an average of moves you take for solving the F2L while speedsolving ? I think a moves number limit for F2L could be a good benchmark for considering a solve as lucky, instead of considering all 5 Fridrich steps (cross + 4 pairs) (?) Cheers ! (a tribute to Stefan ;) ) cyril --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > I don't think it was lucky, but want to hear from you what you think > Hey all > > I'm so excited > I just got a non lucky 11.38! Man, I can't believe I did that! My normal average is around 20 seconds, with a previous PB of 14.05. I just got a very very very fast solve. This was the scramble: > > D2 R L2 B2 U2 D B F2 R2 B U' R' B2 R F2 L' B' D2 F2 L D F2 D' B' L' > > and my solve: > Easy x-cross: y' L U F2 > 2nd pair: (y3) U2 L' U L > 3rd pair: (y2) L' U L U2 y' R U R' > 4th pair: (y') R U R' U' R U R' > OLL: (y2) R' F R B' R' F' R B > PLL: (U) F2 L' U' r U2 l' U R' U' R2 > > Which is 40 moves / 11.38 seconds = ~3.5 moves/sec > > I don't think it was lucky, but want to hear from you what you think > > Man, I'm sooooooooooooooooooooo happy with this!!! > > Pedro > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh, also, I was taking a look at speedcubing UWR list, and Chris Hardwick's best time had 22 moves for F2L, and Jason Thong's had 21 moves... oh, there's also Katsu's non lucky 29 moves solve...see his site... Pedro Pedro <pedrosino1@...> escreveu: Hi Cyril I was talking to Joël van Noort, and he said that it was not lucky. But I think your point of view is fair. Let's hear what the other experts think...: ) Pedro cycastel <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Hi Pedro I usually post on Fewest Moves Challenge Forum, but your question sounded interesting ;) If you browse FMC past results, you'll find that last year we competed for a special F2L FMC: http://www.cosine-systems.com/cubestation/fmcresults/fmcresults171204- 2layers.php (hopefully Dan is going to post the results for 2005 Christmas FMC as well very soon) We had two weeks to solve the F2L, and as you can see the best took around 20 moves. This is quite representative of FMC experts approach. So in my opinion, your 21 moves F2L while SPEEDCUBING sounds a bit lucky, sorry ;) I don't remember speedcubing standards for considering a slove as lucky, so it is just my opinion of FMC solver ... anyway, did you guys ever took an average of moves you take for solving the F2L while speedsolving ? I think a moves number limit for F2L could be a good benchmark for considering a solve as lucky, instead of considering all 5 Fridrich steps (cross + 4 pairs) (?) Cheers ! (a tribute to Stefan ;) ) cyril --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > I don't think it was lucky, but want to hear from you what you think > Hey all > > I'm so excited > I just got a non lucky 11.38! Man, I can't believe I did that! My normal average is around 20 seconds, with a previous PB of 14.05. I just got a very very very fast solve. This was the scramble: > > D2 R L2 B2 U2 D B F2 R2 B U' R' B2 R F2 L' B' D2 F2 L D F2 D' B' L' > > and my solve: > Easy x-cross: y' L U F2 > 2nd pair: (y3) U2 L' U L > 3rd pair: (y2) L' U L U2 y' R U R' > 4th pair: (y') R U R' U' R U R' > OLL: (y2) R' F R B' R' F' R B > PLL: (U) F2 L' U' r U2 l' U R' U' R2 > > Which is 40 moves / 11.38 seconds = ~3.5 moves/sec > > I don't think it was lucky, but want to hear from you what you think > > Man, I'm sooooooooooooooooooooo happy with this!!! > > Pedro > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> We had two weeks to solve the F2L, and as you can see the best took > around 20 moves. This is quite representative of FMC experts approach. > So in my opinion, your 21 moves F2L while SPEEDCUBING sounds a bit > lucky, sorry ;) Hey Cyril, I think if a speedcuber said that he/she averaged in the very low twenties for F2L moves, then that would be a suspect claim to me. However you have to consider that when speedcubing you'll see more scrambles than when doing an F2L FMC. Perhaps if, for the FMC F2L contest, you true FMCers were given a scramble that a speedcuber could do in 21 moves? I think the number of moves it would take you might be in the mid to low teens. I don't think a low 20 move F2L is too lucky personally. Consider a 7 move Xcross (which is reasonable to notice during inspection, and is the same as doing the cross and skipping the first pair basically). After that you can have a 6.25 move average for the other pairs (about average in general) to get 18.75 turns for the rest of F2L and together you have 25.75 turns total. Now just consider a 6 move Xcross and one less move for each pair (easy cases, but not lucky) and you've dropped 4 moves down to 21.75 turns. In speedcubing you will sometimes get these super easy scrambles. So I don't think it's lucky, uncommon yes but not by our definition too lucky to count. Simply since in speedcubing you go through many, many more F2L solves than for F2L FMC, you'll occasionaly get a solve like this. Again, I still believe that if for the FMC you guys looked at a scramble where most people solve the F2L in the low twenties, it would be very cool to see what sort of low move count you guys would get. Just my two cents of course, Chris

Ok, Chris, so you vote for not lucky, right? we now have: Non lucky: 3 votes Lucky: 1 vote hehe I want to post that record... Pedro cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > We had two weeks to solve the F2L, and as you can see the best took > around 20 moves. This is quite representative of FMC experts approach. > So in my opinion, your 21 moves F2L while SPEEDCUBING sounds a bit > lucky, sorry ;) Hey Cyril, I think if a speedcuber said that he/she averaged in the very low twenties for F2L moves, then that would be a suspect claim to me. However you have to consider that when speedcubing you'll see more scrambles than when doing an F2L FMC. Perhaps if, for the FMC F2L contest, you true FMCers were given a scramble that a speedcuber could do in 21 moves? I think the number of moves it would take you might be in the mid to low teens. I don't think a low 20 move F2L is too lucky personally. Consider a 7 move Xcross (which is reasonable to notice during inspection, and is the same as doing the cross and skipping the first pair basically). After that you can have a 6.25 move average for the other pairs (about average in general) to get 18.75 turns for the rest of F2L and together you have 25.75 turns total. Now just consider a 6 move Xcross and one less move for each pair (easy cases, but not lucky) and you've dropped 4 moves down to 21.75 turns. In speedcubing you will sometimes get these super easy scrambles. So I don't think it's lucky, uncommon yes but not by our definition too lucky to count. Simply since in speedcubing you go through many, many more F2L solves than for F2L FMC, you'll occasionaly get a solve like this. Again, I still believe that if for the FMC you guys looked at a scramble where most people solve the F2L in the low twenties, it would be very cool to see what sort of low move count you guys would get. Just my two cents of course, Chris --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) Just to clarify this! The agreed practice for calling a solve lucky is that there is a SKIPPED step. In his solution there is no skipped step the way i see it. If someone wants to call X-cross a skipped step so be it. But after x-cross he does pair by pair for f2l and then both a OLL and a PLL. So it's not technically lucky in my opinion. Those who call this solve lucky i suppose are jealous ;-) It's no crime to have many easy steps along a solution. And what more. If this time was part of an average it's discarded anyway. If ppl really wanna be fuzzy about lucky solves the single best time category of any puzzle should removed. Because there will always be borderline cases and discussions. **Shrugs** ... Have fun! -Per PS! Both speedcubers and FMC'ers crave for "lucky" solutions. It is what is fun to achieve. To have good solves analysed and scrutinised is not much fun :-) > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > > Ok, Chris, so you vote for not lucky, right? we now have: > > Non lucky: 3 votes > Lucky: 1 vote > > hehe > > I want to post that record... > > Pedro > > cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > We had two weeks to solve the F2L, and as you can see the best took > > around 20 moves. This is quite representative of FMC experts approach. > > So in my opinion, your 21 moves F2L while SPEEDCUBING sounds a bit > > lucky, sorry ;) > > Hey Cyril, > > I think if a speedcuber said that he/she averaged in the very low > twenties for F2L moves, then that would be a suspect claim to me. > However you have to consider that when speedcubing you'll see more > scrambles than when doing an F2L FMC. Perhaps if, for the FMC F2L > contest, you true FMCers were given a scramble that a speedcuber could > do in 21 moves? I think the number of moves it would take you might > be in the mid to low teens. > > I don't think a low 20 move F2L is too lucky personally. Consider a 7 > move Xcross (which is reasonable to notice during inspection, and is > the same as doing the cross and skipping the first pair basically). > After that you can have a 6.25 move average for the other pairs (about > average in general) to get 18.75 turns for the rest of F2L and > together you have 25.75 turns total. Now just consider a 6 move > Xcross and one less move for each pair (easy cases, but not lucky) and > you've dropped 4 moves down to 21.75 turns. > > In speedcubing you will sometimes get these super easy scrambles. So > I don't think it's lucky, uncommon yes but not by our definition too > lucky to count. Simply since in speedcubing you go through many, many > more F2L solves than for F2L FMC, you'll occasionaly get a solve like > this. Again, I still believe that if for the FMC you guys looked at a > scramble where most people solve the F2L in the low twenties, it would > be very cool to see what sort of low move count you guys would get. > > Just my two cents of course, > Chris > > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Anyone in the Detroit area? I just did an interview for WRIF and I think it'll air tomorrow. I was hoping someone could maybe record it into MP3 format for me or something. They made fun of me a little bit but it was all good. I'll let you guys know the air time once I find out. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > orient edges (3 algorithms, to make a cross on LL) > orient corners (7 to make entire LL same color) > permute edges (4) \ (or first corners then edges) > permute corners (3) / Whatever you permute first has 2 cases, then the other follows with 4. Cheers! Stefan

Thanks for you vote, Per now non lucky is winning by 4 against 1... Pedro Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> escreveu: Hi :-) Just to clarify this! The agreed practice for calling a solve lucky is that there is a SKIPPED step. In his solution there is no skipped step the way i see it. If someone wants to call X-cross a skipped step so be it. But after x-cross he does pair by pair for f2l and then both a OLL and a PLL. So it's not technically lucky in my opinion. Those who call this solve lucky i suppose are jealous ;-) It's no crime to have many easy steps along a solution. And what more. If this time was part of an average it's discarded anyway. If ppl really wanna be fuzzy about lucky solves the single best time category of any puzzle should removed. Because there will always be borderline cases and discussions. **Shrugs** ... Have fun! -Per PS! Both speedcubers and FMC'ers crave for "lucky" solutions. It is what is fun to achieve. To have good solves analysed and scrutinised is not much fun :-) > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > > Ok, Chris, so you vote for not lucky, right? we now have: > > Non lucky: 3 votes > Lucky: 1 vote > > hehe > > I want to post that record... > > Pedro > > cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > We had two weeks to solve the F2L, and as you can see the best took > > around 20 moves. This is quite representative of FMC experts approach. > > So in my opinion, your 21 moves F2L while SPEEDCUBING sounds a bit > > lucky, sorry ;) > > Hey Cyril, > > I think if a speedcuber said that he/she averaged in the very low > twenties for F2L moves, then that would be a suspect claim to me. > However you have to consider that when speedcubing you'll see more > scrambles than when doing an F2L FMC. Perhaps if, for the FMC F2L > contest, you true FMCers were given a scramble that a speedcuber could > do in 21 moves? I think the number of moves it would take you might > be in the mid to low teens. > > I don't think a low 20 move F2L is too lucky personally. Consider a 7 > move Xcross (which is reasonable to notice during inspection, and is > the same as doing the cross and skipping the first pair basically). > After that you can have a 6.25 move average for the other pairs (about > average in general) to get 18.75 turns for the rest of F2L and > together you have 25.75 turns total. Now just consider a 6 move > Xcross and one less move for each pair (easy cases, but not lucky) and > you've dropped 4 moves down to 21.75 turns. > > In speedcubing you will sometimes get these super easy scrambles. So > I don't think it's lucky, uncommon yes but not by our definition too > lucky to count. Simply since in speedcubing you go through many, many > more F2L solves than for F2L FMC, you'll occasionaly get a solve like > this. Again, I still believe that if for the FMC you guys looked at a > scramble where most people solve the F2L in the low twenties, it would > be very cool to see what sort of low move count you guys would get. > > Just my two cents of course, > Chris > > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > sander hendrickx > <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > > > orient edges (3 algorithms, to make a cross on LL) > > orient corners (7 to make entire LL same color) > > permute edges (4) \ (or first corners then edges) > > permute corners (3) / > > Whatever you permute first has 2 cases, then the > other follows with 4. > > Cheers! > Stefan whatever you permute first, if you want to be able to do every possible case by executing just 1 algorithm (once) you need 3 cases. both the 3-cycles and 1 for swapping across. sander __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > D2 R L2 B2 U2 D B F2 R2 B U' R' B2 R F2 L' B' D2 F2 L D F2 D' B' L' > > and my solve: > Easy x-cross: y' L U F2 > 2nd pair: (y3) U2 L' U L > 3rd pair: (y2) L' U L U2 y' R U R' > 4th pair: (y') R U R' U' R U R' > OLL: (y2) R' F R B' R' F' R B > PLL: (U) F2 L' U' r U2 l' U R' U' R2 > > Which is 40 moves / 11.38 seconds = ~3.5 moves/sec > > I don't think it was lucky, but want to hear from you what you think Every possible method has its easy cases. Getting the nicest cases for each step is not lucky. Skipping a step is. In fact, this solve could have been much better without being lucky. If all 3 of your final pairs had been RUR' type moves, you had FRUR'U'F' to orient, and finish with a 3 cycle, that could be as few as 25 moves for a non-lucky solve. Of course, the odds for this are incredibly slim, but it would still not count as lucky. I tried this and my first try was a 13.36, which is .97 seconds better than my fastest time. I don't know whether to count it or not, because I tried the scramble without reading how it went for you. My second try, I tried COLL+PLL to finish, but that case isn't very good for me, so it was 17.66. :( -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > --- Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > sander hendrickx > > <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > > > > > orient edges (3 algorithms, to make a cross on LL) > > > orient corners (7 to make entire LL same color) > > > permute edges (4) \ (or first corners then > edges) > > > permute corners (3) / > > > > Whatever you permute first has 2 cases, then the > > other follows with 4. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > whatever you permute first, > if you want to be able to do every possible case by > executing > just 1 algorithm (once) you need 3 cases. > both the 3-cycles and 1 for swapping across. > > sander Sombody didn't listen recently... ;-) You only need one (!) 3-cycle. Cheers! Stefan

Thanks for the answer Mike I'm really happy with this time and you're right, there's Katsu's non lucky 29 moves solve... Pedro Mike Bennett <mikebennett_one@...> escreveu: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > D2 R L2 B2 U2 D B F2 R2 B U' R' B2 R F2 L' B' D2 F2 L D F2 D' B' L' > > and my solve: > Easy x-cross: y' L U F2 > 2nd pair: (y3) U2 L' U L > 3rd pair: (y2) L' U L U2 y' R U R' > 4th pair: (y') R U R' U' R U R' > OLL: (y2) R' F R B' R' F' R B > PLL: (U) F2 L' U' r U2 l' U R' U' R2 > > Which is 40 moves / 11.38 seconds = ~3.5 moves/sec > > I don't think it was lucky, but want to hear from you what you think Every possible method has its easy cases. Getting the nicest cases for each step is not lucky. Skipping a step is. In fact, this solve could have been much better without being lucky. If all 3 of your final pairs had been RUR' type moves, you had FRUR'U'F' to orient, and finish with a 3 cycle, that could be as few as 25 moves for a non-lucky solve. Of course, the odds for this are incredibly slim, but it would still not count as lucky. I tried this and my first try was a 13.36, which is .97 seconds better than my fastest time. I don't know whether to count it or not, because I tried the scramble without reading how it went for you. My second try, I tried COLL+PLL to finish, but that case isn't very good for me, so it was 17.66. :( -Mike SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

am i missing something...??? :-s how can you do both a clockwise and a counterclockwise cycle with just one algorithm (and executing it only one) :-s and define recently :-) i only signup up for this group yesterday Prosit! Sander --- Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > sander hendrickx > <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > > > --- Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > sander hendrickx > > > <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > orient edges (3 algorithms, to make a cross on > LL) > > > > orient corners (7 to make entire LL same > color) > > > > permute edges (4) \ (or first corners then > > edges) > > > > permute corners (3) / > > > > > > Whatever you permute first has 2 cases, then the > > > other follows with 4. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > whatever you permute first, > > if you want to be able to do every possible case > by > > executing > > just 1 algorithm (once) you need 3 cases. > > both the 3-cycles and 1 for swapping across. > > > > sander > > Sombody didn't listen recently... ;-) > > You only need one (!) 3-cycle. > > Cheers! > Stefan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > am i missing something...??? :-s > how can you do both a clockwise and a counterclockwise > cycle with just one algorithm (and executing it only > one) :-s U2 I.e. do your clockwise cycle and follow it with U2, then you have made a counterclockwise cycle. > and define recently :-) i only signup up for this > group yesterday Maybe 4 days ago. When I mentioned that I think of the two cases as swapping two adjacent or opposite pieces. Cheers! Stefan

www.wrif.com Is that the station? If so, I'll try to listen in tomorrow while I'm at work, but if you could find out the air time that would help. They also have podcasts on their site, maybe you could use that to catch the interview? -Chris Parlette --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Anyone in the Detroit area? I just did an interview for WRIF and I > think it'll air tomorrow. I was hoping someone could maybe record it > into MP3 format for me or something. They made fun of me a little bit > but it was all good. I'll let you guys know the air time once I find > out. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology >

interesting ... are we going to discuss the everlasting topic to decide "what's lucky ?" ;) My opinion was the opinion of a FMC cuber, so don't hesitate to discard my 2 cents (actually 2 swiss cents = US$ 1.6 cents, so my opinion should not count as much as the opinion of US or EU cubers .. .) More seriously, what I wanted to point out is the somewhat unclear definition of a lucky solve. I totally agree with Chris' (although you make nicely optimistic assumptions about FMCers ;) ), Per's and Mike's posts, but depending on the method you use, the notion of "skipped step" can hardly be defined, and my (too ?) scientist point of view is that rules based on other criteria may be more consistent, like the one proposed by J. R. Taylor (An Introduction to Error Analysis, University Science Books, Mill Valley, 1982) to define outliers in a series of data : it is a simple test based on the mean and standard deviation of the series. You assume your times distribution is gaussian (mean u, std dev s), and compute the probability of getting a time t using erf function table. Typically, Taylor defines an outlier when this probability multiplied by the number of trials N is lower than 5% (usual threshold). In your cas Pedro, u = 20, t = 11.xx and s is probably around 2.6 (just an assumption, it computed it for two guys averaging around 20 on speedcubing.com website) Now the fun part: assuming you get a time of u-3s =12.2 sec for example, som maths (actually I hope I did them correctly) show that the required number of solved cubes to consider it non-lucky (=non- outlier) is ... exactly 10 ;) So if you were courageous enough to follow my thinking I'll change my vote: if in your entire cuber life you have already solved as much as TEN cubes, I consider your solve wasn't lucky :) (of course, you should adapt the values for your real u, s and t, but I don't expect the results to change in an extraordinary way !) sorry for the long post, actually I thought my conclusion would be more spectacular (like you should have solved some billions of cubes), but actually probability laws are not always intuitive. It makes me think about a problem with 3 doors I saw on a forum some weeks ago ;) Last word for Per: don't insinuate I'm jealous ;) How could I ? I'm not even a speedcuber ! cyril

R2 E2 R2 E2 R2 E R2 E' R2 U2 R2 U2 i found these out when i was fooling around

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Those are all commutators of the form X Y X' Y' > R2 E2 R2 E2 X=R2 Y=E2 > R2 E R2 E' X=R2 Y=E > R2 U2 R2 U2 X=R2 Y=U2 The key is that for most of them they are their own inverses. This is one key to making quick easy commutators. Hope this helps some, Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "undermostfiend" <undermostfiend@y...> wrote: > > R2 E2 R2 E2 > > R2 E R2 E' > > R2 U2 R2 U2 > > i found these out when i was fooling around >

it does thank you John, --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Those are all commutators of the form X Y X' Y' > > > R2 E2 R2 E2 > X=R2 > Y=E2 > > > R2 E R2 E' > X=R2 > Y=E > > > R2 U2 R2 U2 > X=R2 > Y=U2 > > The key is that for most of them they are their own inverses. This > is one key to making quick easy commutators. > > Hope this helps some, > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "undermostfiend" > <undermostfiend@y...> wrote: > > > > R2 E2 R2 E2 > > > > R2 E R2 E' > > > > R2 U2 R2 U2 > > > > i found these out when i was fooling around > > >

Hi :-) There's more to commutators than those easy short 4-move algs. When writing like Chris said : X Y X' Y' or P Q P' Q' (not to confuse with turning the cube physically) each of P or Q can be a sequence of several moves. And also conjugates commutators are very useful. A conjugate is like this : C P Q P' Q' C' so u add C before a commutator and inverse C after it. That combined alg gives same net effect on the cube but on different cubies. C server to bring other cubies into the positions affected by P Q P' Q' only. By making C the inverse of part of P Q P' Q' we achieve a cyclical shift. Ie if we have P = R' and Q = F then P Q P' Q' = R' F R F'. By letting C = R we get C P Q P' Q' C' = R R' F R F' R' = F R F' R'. And so on. It's very interesting and useful to study commutators that make up for instance 3-cycles on corners or edges :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "undermostfiend" <undermostfiend@y...> wrote: > > it does thank you > > John, > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > > > Those are all commutators of the form X Y X' Y' > > > > > R2 E2 R2 E2 > > X=R2 > > Y=E2 > > > > > R2 E R2 E' > > X=R2 > > Y=E > > > > > R2 U2 R2 U2 > > X=R2 > > Y=U2 > > > > The key is that for most of them they are their own inverses. This > > is one key to making quick easy commutators. > > > > Hope this helps some, > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "undermostfiend" > > <undermostfiend@y...> wrote: > > > > > > R2 E2 R2 E2 > > > > > > R2 E R2 E' > > > > > > R2 U2 R2 U2 > > > > > > i found these out when i was fooling around > > > > > >

I know you're all probably tired of hearing from me...but I continue to work on my PLL. For the F permutation: (R' U R U') [x'] (R2 u' R' u) (F R F') (R2 U' R' U) [x'] (R' F R F') (R2 u' R' u) (F R F') (R2 U' R' U) Either or works fine, I don't know which variant I'll choose in the end. The core alg was found on Katsu's site, I just found my own twist on it. Enjoy -Richard

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > > I know you're all probably tired of hearing from me...but I continue to > work on my PLL. > > For the F permutation: > > (R' U R U') [x'] (R2 u' R' u) (F R F') (R2 U' R' U) > > [x'] (R' F R F') (R2 u' R' u) (F R F') (R2 U' R' U) > > Either or works fine, I don't know which variant I'll choose in the end. > > The core alg was found on Katsu's site, I just found my own twist on it. > > Enjoy > > -Richard > Quite nice... how about: (R' U R U') (R2' F' U' F) (U R U') x' (R2 U' R'U) http://tinyurl.com/8evr3 Cheers! Stefan

I'm having a tough time getting finger tricks down... it feels like I'm not getting enough traction on the cube. The less I use my wrists, the more I end up fumbling the cube. (I also have trouble getting plastic bags open, my fingers are just too slick. Maybe too many years as a bassist.) Do tiles help with getting a good grip on the cube? What's your opinion about textured tiles? They look cool but I don't know any other cubers personally, so the only speedcubes I've played with are my own. - Matt

Tastes will vary, but I REALLY like the Cubesmith Lexan tiles. Try both (textured and non). They are similar, but the textured just has a slightly rougher surface. Both have a much better grip than the glossy type tiles on the 1982 Ideal Deluxe Cube or Meffert's tiles on the 3x3 assembly cubes. They are also very thin, so it's not much different than stickers as far as overall feel. They don't make the cube seem larger, like a Game Cube or Deluxe. The other benefit is they are nearly impossible to chip or otherwise mar, so your cube always looks sharp. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > Do tiles help with getting a good grip on the cube? What's your > opinion about textured tiles? They look cool but I don't know any

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Tastes will vary, but I REALLY like the Cubesmith Lexan tiles. Try > both (textured and non). They are similar, but the textured just has > a slightly rougher surface. Both have a much better grip than the > glossy type tiles on the 1982 Ideal Deluxe Cube or Meffert's tiles on > the 3x3 assembly cubes. Tastes vary indeed... I only have the earliest of those lexan tiles, so I can't judge the current ones, but those early ones are not good for me. On the other hand, the Deluxe Cube tiles are great for me. My hands tend to be too dry, not too wet, maybe that's the reason... at the Spanish championship 2004 people used powder against their wet hands and I just couldn't understand cause I have the opposite problem, I sometimes apply something to my hands to make them more wet (KY liquid actually, so I'm using that against the recommended use which was already against the intended use :-). Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > Tastes vary indeed... I only have the earliest of those lexan tiles, > so I can't judge the current ones, but those early ones are not good > for me. On the other hand, the Deluxe Cube tiles are great for me. That does bear mentioning. Those original ones had square corners, which I found hard to use. The new ones have rounded corners, so they don't catch on your fingers and they look more like authentic stickers. The colors are also dead-on. For the price, they're certainly worth a try. I wish he offered 5x5 lexan tiles. Chris

Wow... KY. I got enough snickers from my co-workers just mentioning that I was going to lube my rubik's cube with automotive gel. I'm pretty sure I'd never live that down. On 1/12/06, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > Tastes will vary, but I REALLY like the Cubesmith Lexan tiles. Try > > both (textured and non). They are similar, but the textured just > has > > a slightly rougher surface. Both have a much better grip than the > > glossy type tiles on the 1982 Ideal Deluxe Cube or Meffert's tiles > on > > the 3x3 assembly cubes. > > Tastes vary indeed... I only have the earliest of those lexan tiles, > so I can't judge the current ones, but those early ones are not good > for me. On the other hand, the Deluxe Cube tiles are great for me. My > hands tend to be too dry, not too wet, maybe that's the reason... at > the Spanish championship 2004 people used powder against their wet > hands and I just couldn't understand cause I have the opposite > problem, I sometimes apply something to my hands to make them more wet > (KY liquid actually, so I'm using that against the recommended use > which was already against the intended use :-). > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw> Free > puzzle inlay games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> Educational > game and puzzle<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ> Word > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> Kid > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> Puzzle > games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I live in Detroit. Don't have a radio though.. hem. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette" <cparlett@w...> wrote: > > www.wrif.com > > Is that the station? If so, I'll try to listen in tomorrow while I'm > at work, but if you could find out the air time that would help. They > also have podcasts on their site, maybe you could use that to catch > the interview? > > -Chris Parlette > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > > > Anyone in the Detroit area? I just did an interview for WRIF and I > > think it'll air tomorrow. I was hoping someone could maybe record it > > into MP3 format for me or something. They made fun of me a little bit > > but it was all good. I'll let you guys know the air time once I find > > out. > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > >

Hi Everyone, I just did a radio interview for a station in Halifax. Not sure when it's going to air... does anyone in Canada listen to this station? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology >> I'm the Program Director at CKDU 97.5 FM in Halifax. I also produce a >> program called Popped Culture (www.poppedculture.ca). We're putting >> together an episode on Rubik's Cube and the Rubik's Cube Championships >> and would like to include you in the program if possible. If we could >> set up a time to talk to you in the next few days, that would be >> great!

Hello, I've used Textured Tiles from Cubesmith for a while, but I don't use them anymore because they become slippery as my fingers start to sweat. (+ if you live in a humid area, it'll increase the effect I think) So now I use basic stickers :-) Gilles. 2006/1/12, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > Tastes will vary, but I REALLY like the Cubesmith Lexan tiles. Try > both (textured and non). They are similar, but the textured just has > a slightly rougher surface. Both have a much better grip than the > glossy type tiles on the 1982 Ideal Deluxe Cube or Meffert's tiles on > the 3x3 assembly cubes. They are also very thin, so it's not much > different than stickers as far as overall feel. They don't make the > cube seem larger, like a Game Cube or Deluxe. The other benefit is > they are nearly impossible to chip or otherwise mar, so your cube > always looks sharp. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." > <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > > Do tiles help with getting a good grip on the cube? What's your > > opinion about textured tiles? They look cool but I don't know any > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I just did a radio interview for a station in Halifax. Not sure when > it's going to air... does anyone in Canada listen to this station? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology I am not sure if we have any cubers out there. I know a kid named Matt from out east showed up to the championships a day late (and thus, did not compete), but I don't know if it was Halifax that he came from or not. I assumed that was what you were asking, and not "does anyone in Halifax listen to that station" as I am sure they do, and you will be heard by many. -Dave Campbell

I too am a big fan of Chris's Lexan tiles. I really am against the textured tiles, though. It feels like I'm playing with a cube made out of sandpaper. The lexan is really smooth and never wears. I've had the tiles on a cube for over a year and it still looks as it did when I first put it on. Leyan christopher_pelley wrote: > Tastes will vary, but I REALLY like the Cubesmith Lexan tiles. Try > both (textured and non). They are similar, but the textured just has > a slightly rougher surface. Both have a much better grip than the > glossy type tiles on the 1982 Ideal Deluxe Cube or Meffert's tiles on > the 3x3 assembly cubes. They are also very thin, so it's not much > different than stickers as far as overall feel. They don't make the > cube seem larger, like a Game Cube or Deluxe. The other benefit is > they are nearly impossible to chip or otherwise mar, so your cube > always looks sharp. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." > <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > >>Do tiles help with getting a good grip on the cube? What's your >>opinion about textured tiles? They look cool but I don't know any > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/dror's_paper_cube.htm Maybe it is made of sandpaper. :-) On 1/12/06, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@...> wrote: > > I too am a big fan of Chris's Lexan tiles. I really am against the > textured tiles, though. It feels like I'm playing with a cube made out > of sandpaper. The lexan is really smooth and never wears. I've had the > tiles on a cube for over a year and it still looks as it did when I > first put it on. > > Leyan > > > christopher_pelley wrote: > > Tastes will vary, but I REALLY like the Cubesmith Lexan tiles. Try > > both (textured and non). They are similar, but the textured just has > > a slightly rougher surface. Both have a much better grip than the > > glossy type tiles on the 1982 Ideal Deluxe Cube or Meffert's tiles on > > the 3x3 assembly cubes. They are also very thin, so it's not much > > different than stickers as far as overall feel. They don't make the > > cube seem larger, like a Game Cube or Deluxe. The other benefit is > > they are nearly impossible to chip or otherwise mar, so your cube > > always looks sharp. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." > > <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > >>Do tiles help with getting a good grip on the cube? What's your > >>opinion about textured tiles? They look cool but I don't know any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That thing is crazy...it actually works, and no, its made of black construction paper, at least the one I saw... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/dror's_paper_cube.htm > > Maybe it is made of sandpaper. :-) > > On 1/12/06, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...> wrote: > > > > I too am a big fan of Chris's Lexan tiles. I really am against the > > textured tiles, though. It feels like I'm playing with a cube made out > > of sandpaper. The lexan is really smooth and never wears. I've had the > > tiles on a cube for over a year and it still looks as it did when I > > first put it on. > > > > Leyan > > > > > > christopher_pelley wrote: > > > Tastes will vary, but I REALLY like the Cubesmith Lexan tiles. Try > > > both (textured and non). They are similar, but the textured just has > > > a slightly rougher surface. Both have a much better grip than the > > > glossy type tiles on the 1982 Ideal Deluxe Cube or Meffert's tiles on > > > the 3x3 assembly cubes. They are also very thin, so it's not much > > > different than stickers as far as overall feel. They don't make the > > > cube seem larger, like a Game Cube or Deluxe. The other benefit is > > > they are nearly impossible to chip or otherwise mar, so your cube > > > always looks sharp. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." > > > <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > > > >>Do tiles help with getting a good grip on the cube? What's your > > >>opinion about textured tiles? They look cool but I don't know any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > > on the web. > > > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > http://procool.blogspot.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I just did a radio interview for a station in Halifax. Not sure when > it's going to air... does anyone in Canada listen to this station? Hey you gotta work hard on your beauty-and-geek popularity, the first page google finds for "tyson mao" that is made from someone out of the cubing community, is about a quiz show in which some Daniel beat you to the buzzer about Britney Spears :-) http://www.pclaunch.com/~kayton/MAHigh/QuizKids/press.htm Cheers! Stefan

Yeah, that guy was messed up. Whatever... the reporter who interviewed me for that too took my line out of context. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 12, 2006, at 2:19 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I just did a radio interview for a station in Halifax. Not sure > when >> it's going to air... does anyone in Canada listen to this station? > > Hey you gotta work hard on your beauty-and-geek popularity, the first > page google finds for "tyson mao" that is made from someone out of the > cubing community, is about a quiz show in which some Daniel beat you > to the buzzer about Britney Spears :-) > > http://www.pclaunch.com/~kayton/MAHigh/QuizKids/press.htm > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Ah, Tyson made someone want to buy a cube :-) http://talk.thewb.com/viewtopic.php?topic=627333&forum=77&8 In this little thread Tyson seems to be a favourite. Oh, one of them also likes Napoleon Dynamite... And... http://twx.2mdn.net/viewad/1089383/BG2-160-01a.jpg And click on "meet the contestants" for a proof that Tyson can indeed smile... http://thewb.warnerbros.com/batg/ Cheers! Stefan

Those replacement screws came today! Yay! Ok so while I'm assembling the cube, I need to tighten the screws depending on the tension. But how do I know how much to tighten? Also, the DIY kit corner cubies came with cover caps to cover the hollow side on the inside. Do any of you guys use them? Do they help? Because I put them on, but they're not exactly perfect so they jut out of the cubie a little bit and when I turn a side they catch on something.

Is there an illegal number of strings to have on a magic??? Could you only use 8 if you really wanted to or does it have to have the 16??? Thanx to anyone who knows... Craig

Yeah, I got the same problem with the caps too. I thought of not putting the caps on, but sometimes the other pieces get caught with the corner pieces (because of the hole) resulting in not-so-smooth turns. I ended up cutting small gaps in the edges of the caps so that they line up nicely with the notches in the corner piece. I then put the caps on and sand down the edges so that they are flat. It's a lot of work but the cube turns very well now with the corner caps on. Older DIY cubes comes with the corner caps installed, so this is a new feature... which brings me a lot of extra work! :( I ordered 4 cubes so I have 3 more to work on... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > Those replacement screws came today! Yay! > > Ok so while I'm assembling the cube, I need to tighten the screws > depending on the tension. But how do I know how much to tighten? > > Also, the DIY kit corner cubies came with cover caps to cover the > hollow side on the inside. Do any of you guys use them? Do they help? > Because I put them on, but they're not exactly perfect so they jut out > of the cubie a little bit and when I turn a side they catch on something. >

Oooo sanding is a good idea. Thanks. I suppose it will be some work but the cover will create a surface for the silicon lubricant instead of a hole so in the long run it will be for the better. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "melchan78" <melchan78@y...> wrote: > > Yeah, I got the same problem with the caps too. I thought of not > putting the caps on, but sometimes the other pieces get caught with > the corner pieces (because of the hole) resulting in not-so-smooth > turns. I ended up cutting small gaps in the edges of the caps so that > they line up nicely with the notches in the corner piece. I then put > the caps on and sand down the edges so that they are flat. It's a lot > of work but the cube turns very well now with the corner caps on. > > Older DIY cubes comes with the corner caps installed, so this is a > new feature... which brings me a lot of extra work! :( I ordered 4 > cubes so I have 3 more to work on... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" > <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > > Those replacement screws came today! Yay! > > > > Ok so while I'm assembling the cube, I need to tighten the screws > > depending on the tension. But how do I know how much to tighten? > > > > Also, the DIY kit corner cubies came with cover caps to cover the > > hollow side on the inside. Do any of you guys use them? Do they > help? > > Because I put them on, but they're not exactly perfect so they jut > out > > of the cubie a little bit and when I turn a side they catch on > something. > > >

This video is amazing. Thanks for taking the time to make it Chris! http://strangepuzzle.com/videos.php?firstName=Chris&lastName=Hardwick&puzzleType=blindfold&solveTime=941.82&range=%3D If the link is trundicated or something, then just goto strangepuzzle.comand click on the newest video. The video is about 24mb, so it would be nice if every person on the group didn't download it 100 times each, but feel free to watch it!! :) -Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

They didn't end it very well...it just sorta ended...any other comments on it??? Craig

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I liked it. Tyson seems pretty cool, I liked how he explained the need for 5 cubes. "well you know.. just in case..." ahahaha Cool show

Since there is nothing in the rules, it doesnt matter. As long as it solves the same way and can start flat. (thats my guess) Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Is there an illegal number of strings to have on a magic??? Could you > only use 8 if you really wanted to or does it have to have the 16??? > > Thanx to anyone who knows... > Craig >

I enjoyed it. I liked how Tyson happened to know the answer to his question because he had been reading a magazine Thais lent him the night before. Go Tyson! Anthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Did anybody record it? I was only able to catch the last 15 minutes or so, and I'd really like to see the whole thing. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@m...> wrote: > > I enjoyed it. I liked how Tyson happened to know the answer to his question because he had been reading a magazine Thais lent him the night before. > > Go Tyson! > > Anthony > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

FYI: I'm recording all the episodes and will make them available for download as I get them. -Chris On 1/12/06, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Did anybody record it? I was only able to catch the last 15 minutes > or so, and I'd really like to see the whole thing. > > Chris > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

taken at in-n-out =D thanks, Chris! http://strangepuzzle.com/videos.php?firstName=Darren&lastName=Kwong&puzzleType=3x3x3&solveTime=13.30&range=%3D http://strangepuzzle.com/videos.php?firstName=Darren&lastName=Kwong&puzzleType=3x3x3&solveTime=14.75&range=%3D i like my PLL for the 2nd one.. i wish i could do that all the time. i get stuck every now and then -_-

Dude, I didn't know we had a celebrity in this group. Do I need cable to watch this? haha David Anthony Hsu <erwaman@...> wrote: I enjoyed it. I liked how Tyson happened to know the answer to his question because he had been reading a magazine Thais lent him the night before. Go Tyson! Anthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I liked how the first thing they showed Tyson do in the room was pull out his cubes and how the girl was amazed he brought 5. "Just in case" he says. LOL. GO Tyson!!! -David

If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could try to download it with this torrent file: http://www.baseplace.nl/files/Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD-XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent It's very slow for me though. - Koen

the magic doesn't have more solved states and you can't do any moves that you can't do with a magic with all 16 strings (which are just the 8 twice everywhere anyway) so i guess it must be legal, but i don't think it would be smart. with only 8 strings, you are much more likely to force the magic into some weird angle and snap some strings when going ultrafast... sander > Since there is nothing in the rules, it doesnt > matter. As long as it > solves the same way and can start flat. > > (thats my guess) > Peter Greenwood > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Is there an illegal number of strings to have on a > magic??? Could you > > only use 8 if you really wanted to or does it have > to have the 16??? > > > > Thanx to anyone who knows... > > Craig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. Cool show and competitors :D - Koen --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could try to > download it with this torrent file: > http://www.baseplace.nl/files/Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD-XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > It's very slow for me though. > > - Koen >

Wow...just watched it again...only thing I can say...seems simple enough :p Not...You rock Chris!!! Accounting class is sooooo easy and boring... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hunt <huntca@g...> wrote: > > This video is amazing. Thanks for taking the time to make it Chris! > > http://strangepuzzle.com/videos.php? firstName=Chris&lastName=Hardwick&puzzleType=blindfold&solveTime=941.8 2&range=%3D > > If the link is trundicated or something, then just goto > strangepuzzle.comand click on the newest video. > > The video is about 24mb, so it would be nice if every person on the group > didn't download it 100 times each, but feel free to watch it!! :) > > -Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html Koen Heltzel wrote: > Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > Cool show and competitors :D > > - Koen > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > >>If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could try to >>download it with this torrent file: >> > > http://www.baseplace.nl/files/Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD-XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > >>It's very slow for me though. >> >>- Koen >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

LMAO just finished dling the episode and i skimmed through tyson's parts. i cant stop laughing! its cool, hilarious! way to go tyson. what a faster torrent download? http://www.filelist.org

Oh wow... that's so awesome. Thanks a lot. Shouldn't you be doing physics homework? Oh wait... you're done. Yeah, the solve was really nasty. So I handed the girls the cube, and then I was memorize it, and I was answering questions at the same time from the girls. I took my time on the memorization and on the solve, because I wanted to be sure to get it right. The total time was probably about 3 and a half minutes. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Leyan Lo wrote: > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > > > Koen Heltzel wrote: >> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. >> Cool show and competitors :D >> >> - Koen >> >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" >> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: >> >>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could try to >>> download it with this torrent file: >>> >> >> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ >> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- >> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent >> >>> It's very slow for me though. >>> >>> - Koen >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

It is possible to moddify a 4x2 magic to solve it in a different way. Just logically move around the linked side tiles, and ta-da. :) Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > the magic doesn't have more solved states and you > can't do any moves that you can't do with a magic with > all 16 strings (which are just the 8 twice everywhere > anyway) > so i guess it must be legal, but i don't think it > would be smart. with only 8 strings, you are much more > likely to force the magic into some weird angle and > snap some strings when going ultrafast... > > sander > > > Since there is nothing in the rules, it doesnt > > matter. As long as it > > solves the same way and can start flat. > > > > (thats my guess) > > Peter Greenwood > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Is there an illegal number of strings to have on a > > magic??? Could you > > > only use 8 if you really wanted to or does it have > > to have the 16??? > > > > > > Thanx to anyone who knows... > > > Craig > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > from the girls. I took my time on the memorization and on the solve, > because I wanted to be sure to get it right. The total time was > probably about 3 and a half minutes. Ha! It looked even faster on TV, of course. They even got your mumbling, but I didn't catch any llamas. I like the part where they got sick of your cubes and made you put them all back in the bag. That reminds me of a certain beauty in my home :) Chris

For my DIY kit, I need to eliminate the edge of the cover piece that covers the hole of the corner piece. What type of sand paper should I use for plastic? I want to get it really flat and smooth and I dont' want to wear it out too much.

I was just about to ask the same thing. I plan to sand and lube my Revenge this weekend... anything I should know or be careful of? On 1/13/06, Daniel Jih <djspazy@...> wrote: > > For my DIY kit, I need to eliminate the edge of the cover piece that > covers the hole of the corner piece. What type of sand paper should I > use for plastic? I want to get it really flat and smooth and I dont' > want to wear it out too much. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I took the advice of a recent post and used a metal file to sand mine. As long as the grain of the file is sufficient to sand the plastic, you should be okay. The file I used was even too large but it still did the trick. I was going to make a post of this, but I just haven't got any good photos yet to help illustrate. But this is a great technique, even for store bought cubes. The place where the corner cover is "welded" on (or however they do that at the factory) sometimes leaves extra plastic attached to the foot of the corner piece. The result is usually not noticable, until you get four "bad" pieces lined up the same way on one face, with each corner cover occupying the same plane. This puts so much tension on the circular track of that face, that suddenly that face will seem to turn very rough. If you twist a few of the corners, it will turn smooth again. Sanding that part eliminates this effect. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > For my DIY kit, I need to eliminate the edge of the cover piece that > covers the hole of the corner piece. What type of sand paper should I > use for plastic? I want to get it really flat and smooth and I dont' > want to wear it out too much. >

220 should be fine. Eric --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > For my DIY kit, I need to eliminate the edge of the cover piece that > covers the hole of the corner piece. What type of sand paper should I > use for plastic? I want to get it really flat and smooth and I dont' > want to wear it out too much. >

Hey everyone, My ex-girlfriend lent me a book a while back that I've since given back but have been thinking about all along all the same. It was a book introducing how to perform speed mental arithmetic. One of the most important things they stressed for speed multiplication, is to memorize the multiplication tables out to the 25's (so 325 unique entries). I am currently working on memorizing these now and was wondering if anyone else does, or has done this is the past? I feel like memorizing an alg is easy since it's my comfort zone and I've had years to practice, but memorizing something like this seems very new to me and I don't know the best way to approach it. So far I am working on the perfect sqaures beyond 17 (which is as high as I knew before, other than easy ones like 20^2), and the 11 times tables because of the really easy trick to multiply a number by 11. So anyway, I'm very very interested in learning speed mental arithmetic and am looking for others who are or have been interested for a while. This is all new to me, and it would be awesome to hear some advice from someone who already does this ;-) Also does anyone have any advice for memorizing this larger multiplication table? Thanks, Chris

I saw the white one at the World Championship. It's really amazing how that cube turns. Gilles. 2006/1/12, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...>: > That thing is crazy...it actually works, and no, its made of black > construction paper, at least the one I saw... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Matt Moberly > <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/dror's_paper_cube.htm > > > > Maybe it is made of sandpaper. :-) > > > > On 1/12/06, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...> wrote: > > > > > > I too am a big fan of Chris's Lexan tiles. I really am against the > > > textured tiles, though. It feels like I'm playing with a cube > made out > > > of sandpaper. The lexan is really smooth and never wears. I've > had the > > > tiles on a cube for over a year and it still looks as it did when I > > > first put it on. > > > > > > Leyan > > > > > > > > > christopher_pelley wrote: > > > > Tastes will vary, but I REALLY like the Cubesmith Lexan tiles. Try > > > > both (textured and non). They are similar, but the textured > just has > > > > a slightly rougher surface. Both have a much better grip than the > > > > glossy type tiles on the 1982 Ideal Deluxe Cube or Meffert's > tiles on > > > > the 3x3 assembly cubes. They are also very thin, so it's not much > > > > different than stickers as far as overall feel. They don't make the > > > > cube seem larger, like a Game Cube or Deluxe. The other benefit is > > > > they are nearly impossible to chip or otherwise mar, so your cube > > > > always looks sharp. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." > > > > <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > >>Do tiles help with getting a good grip on the cube? What's your > > > >>opinion about textured tiles? They look cool but I don't know any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > - Visit your group > "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > > > on the web. > > > > > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://procool.blogspot.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

And here is the scramble : D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) ;-) Gilles. (I'll watch that tonight :p) 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@...>: > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > > > Koen Heltzel wrote: > > Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > > Cool show and competitors :D > > > > - Koen > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > > <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > > >>If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could try to > >>download it with this torrent file: > >> > > > > http://www.baseplace.nl/files/Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD-XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > > > >>It's very slow for me though. > >> > >>- Koen > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not how they did it :p 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...>: > And here is the scramble : > D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) > ;-) > > Gilles. > (I'll watch that tonight :p) > > 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@...>: > > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > > > > > > Koen Heltzel wrote: > > > Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > > > Cool show and competitors :D > > > > > > - Koen > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > > > <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > > > > >>If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could try to > > >>download it with this torrent file: > > >> > > > > > > http://www.baseplace.nl/files/Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD-XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > > > > > >>It's very slow for me though. > > >> > > >>- Koen > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first interview (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt tied around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style blindfold solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, it's really bad and looks like I just plain suck. I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. Yikes. Wish me luck! Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not how > they did it :p > > 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...>: >> And here is the scramble : >> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) >> ;-) >> >> Gilles. >> (I'll watch that tonight :p) >> >> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@...>: >>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html >>> >>> >>> Koen Heltzel wrote: >>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. >>>> Cool show and competitors :D >>>> >>>> - Koen >>>> >>>> >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" >>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could try to >>>>> download it with this torrent file: >>>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ >>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- >>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent >>>> >>>>> It's very slow for me though. >>>>> >>>>> - Koen >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > So anyway, I'm very very interested in learning speed mental > arithmetic and am looking for others who are or have been interested > for a while. This is all new to me, and it would be awesome to hear > some advice from someone who already does this ;-) How fast can you let's say multiply two 3-digit or two 4-digit numbers in your head? - Hardcore version: somebody tells you the two factors, then you think, then you say the result *after* your calculation (i.e. you must say the result quickly). - Kindergarten version: You write both factors down, then you think and write the result down (can be mixed, i.e. you can write down digits of the result *during* your calculation). You can't write anything down besides the factors and the result. Cheers! Stefan

Well, I've always been the kind of guy who likes to do math in my head, and tend to be able to do it quite quickly...Chris, I'd be interested in joining you, and Stefan...wanna test that theory see how long it takes me??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > > > So anyway, I'm very very interested in learning speed mental > > arithmetic and am looking for others who are or have been interested > > for a while. This is all new to me, and it would be awesome to hear > > some advice from someone who already does this ;-) > > How fast can you let's say multiply two 3-digit or two 4-digit numbers > in your head? > > - Hardcore version: somebody tells you the two factors, then you > think, then you say the result *after* your calculation (i.e. you must > say the result quickly). > > - Kindergarten version: You write both factors down, then you think > and write the result down (can be mixed, i.e. you can write down > digits of the result *during* your calculation). You can't write > anything down besides the factors and the result. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Hmm...I scrambled twice on my cube, put the alg on rubikplayer, and it doesn't looks like Leyan's cube...and I hold the cube the same way as him... Pedro Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: And here is the scramble : D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) ;-) Gilles. (I'll watch that tonight :p) 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@...>: > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > > > Koen Heltzel wrote: > > Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > > Cool show and competitors :D > > > > - Koen > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > > <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > > >>If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could try to > >>download it with this torrent file: > >> > > > > http://www.baseplace.nl/files/Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD-XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > > > >>It's very slow for me though. > >> > >>- Koen > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Faça ligações para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Good Luck Tyson What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess gamer. -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired to try it himself. "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," he said. "I thought I'd try it. :=) Gaétan PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same championship with my easy method 2x2x2. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. > > Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first interview > (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt tied > around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another > interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style blindfold > solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, it's > really bad and looks like I just plain suck. > > I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. Yikes. > Wish me luck! > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not how > > they did it :p > > > > 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: > >> And here is the scramble : > >> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) > >> ;-) > >> > >> Gilles. > >> (I'll watch that tonight :p) > >> > >> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: > >>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > >>> > >>> > >>> Koen Heltzel wrote: > >>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > >>>> Cool show and competitors :D > >>>> > >>>> - Koen > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > >>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could try to > >>>>> download it with this torrent file: > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ > >>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- > >>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > >>>> > >>>>> It's very slow for me though. > >>>>> > >>>>> - Koen > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

wtf? F. Ga�tan Guimond a �crit : > Good Luck Tyson > > What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you > > -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a > magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . > > -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess > gamer. > > -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record > because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it > possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. > > http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 > > He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired > to try it himself. > > "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," > he said. "I thought I'd try it. > > :=) > Ga�tan > > PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same > championship with my easy method 2x2x2. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > > > Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. > > > > Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first > interview > > (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt > tied > > around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another > > interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style > blindfold > > solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, > it's > > really bad and looks like I just plain suck. > > > > I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. > Yikes. > > Wish me luck! > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > > > NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not > how > > > they did it :p > > > > > > 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: > > >> And here is the scramble : > > >> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) > > >> ;-) > > >> > > >> Gilles. > > >> (I'll watch that tonight :p) > > >> > > >> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: > > >>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > <http://www.its.caltech.edu/%7Eleyanlo/batg.html> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Koen Heltzel wrote: > > >>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > > >>>> Cool show and competitors :D > > >>>> > > >>>> - Koen > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > > >>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could > try to > > >>>>> download it with this torrent file: > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ > > >>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- > > >>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > > >>>> > > >>>>> It's very slow for me though. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> - Koen > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Yahoo! 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It definitely takes many more years to do a lot of other things, such as chess, music, athletics, etc. The list is endless. Simply said, the new generation of cubers have reached their level of expertise in a very short period of time—less than 3 years. Though, I'm not really sure why the girls would care about number 1. There are many more important things that determine how you get on and succeed on the show, such as the way you give your interviews, your interactions between people in the house. I must say though, when I went there fore an interview, they were strictly looking for sub-2 minute blindfold cubers, and cubers inspired by little Japanese boys. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Gaétan Guimond wrote: > Good Luck Tyson > > What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you > > -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a > magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . > > -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess > gamer. > > -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record > because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it > possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. > > http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 > > He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired > to try it himself. > > "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," > he said. "I thought I'd try it. > > :=) > Gaétan > > PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same > championship with my easy method 2x2x2. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: >> >> Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. >> >> Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first > interview >> (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt > tied >> around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another >> interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style > blindfold >> solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, > it's >> really bad and looks like I just plain suck. >> >> I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. > Yikes. >> Wish me luck! >> >> Tyson Mao >> MSC #631 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: >> >>> NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not > how >>> they did it :p >>> >>> 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: >>>> And here is the scramble : >>>> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> Gilles. >>>> (I'll watch that tonight :p) >>>> >>>> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: >>>>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Koen Heltzel wrote: >>>>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. >>>>>> Cool show and competitors :D >>>>>> >>>>>> - Koen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" >>>>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could > try to >>>>>>> download it with this torrent file: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ >>>>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- >>>>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's very slow for me though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Koen >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

The end of this episode is indeed special, but assuming that the "rock/sing/danse show" was made after that dismissal, it could be very easy to determine which couple was changed. I'll take a brief look at that later. Otherwise I must admit that it's a very funny show and that I laught quite a lot. Tyson will win :p Gilles. 2006/1/14, Tyson Mao <tmao@its.caltech.edu>: > It definitely takes many more years to do a lot of other things, such > as chess, music, athletics, etc. The list is endless. Simply said, > the new generation of cubers have reached their level of expertise in a > very short period of time—less than 3 years. > > Though, I'm not really sure why the girls would care about number 1. > There are many more important things that determine how you get on and > succeed on the show, such as the way you give your interviews, your > interactions between people in the house. > > I must say though, when I went there fore an interview, they were > strictly looking for sub-2 minute blindfold cubers, and cubers inspired > by little Japanese boys. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Gaétan Guimond wrote: > > > Good Luck Tyson > > > > What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you > > > > -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a > > magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . > > > > -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess > > gamer. > > > > -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record > > because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it > > possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. > > > > http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 > > > > He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired > > to try it himself. > > > > "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," > > he said. "I thought I'd try it. > > > > :=) > > Gaétan > > > > PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same > > championship with my easy method 2x2x2. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > > wrote: > >> > >> Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. > >> > >> Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first > > interview > >> (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt > > tied > >> around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another > >> interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style > > blindfold > >> solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, > > it's > >> really bad and looks like I just plain suck. > >> > >> I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. > > Yikes. > >> Wish me luck! > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> MSC #631 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > >> > >>> NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not > > how > >>> they did it :p > >>> > >>> 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: > >>>> And here is the scramble : > >>>> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) > >>>> ;-) > >>>> > >>>> Gilles. > >>>> (I'll watch that tonight :p) > >>>> > >>>> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: > >>>>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Koen Heltzel wrote: > >>>>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > >>>>>> Cool show and competitors :D > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Koen > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > >>>>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could > > try to > >>>>>>> download it with this torrent file: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ > >>>>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- > >>>>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's very slow for me though. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> - Koen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Hello, Just a small question : What's the average number of move required to complete OLL and then PLL (Fridrich Method) ? (not counting U moves between steps) Thank you, Gilles.

Btw, how come you are not in the Interview list ? (video link on the main page), there are only 14 people there. Why are you out ? (and who's the other ? (I'm not familiar with the names.) Gilles. 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@gmail.com>: > The end of this episode is indeed special, but assuming that the > "rock/sing/danse show" was made after that dismissal, it could be very > easy to determine which couple was changed. > I'll take a brief look at that later. > Otherwise I must admit that it's a very funny show and that I laught > quite a lot. > Tyson will win :p > > Gilles. > > 2006/1/14, Tyson Mao <tmao@its.caltech.edu>: > > It definitely takes many more years to do a lot of other things, such > > as chess, music, athletics, etc. The list is endless. Simply said, > > the new generation of cubers have reached their level of expertise in a > > very short period of time—less than 3 years. > > > > Though, I'm not really sure why the girls would care about number 1. > > There are many more important things that determine how you get on and > > succeed on the show, such as the way you give your interviews, your > > interactions between people in the house. > > > > I must say though, when I went there fore an interview, they were > > strictly looking for sub-2 minute blindfold cubers, and cubers inspired > > by little Japanese boys. > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Gaétan Guimond wrote: > > > > > Good Luck Tyson > > > > > > What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you > > > > > > -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a > > > magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . > > > > > > -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess > > > gamer. > > > > > > -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record > > > because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it > > > possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. > > > > > > http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 > > > > > > He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired > > > to try it himself. > > > > > > "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," > > > he said. "I thought I'd try it. > > > > > > :=) > > > Gaétan > > > > > > PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same > > > championship with my easy method 2x2x2. > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. > > >> > > >> Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first > > > interview > > >> (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt > > > tied > > >> around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another > > >> interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style > > > blindfold > > >> solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, > > > it's > > >> really bad and looks like I just plain suck. > > >> > > >> I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. > > > Yikes. > > >> Wish me luck! > > >> > > >> Tyson Mao > > >> MSC #631 > > >> California Institute of Technology > > >> > > >> On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > >> > > >>> NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not > > > how > > >>> they did it :p > > >>> > > >>> 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: > > >>>> And here is the scramble : > > >>>> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) > > >>>> ;-) > > >>>> > > >>>> Gilles. > > >>>> (I'll watch that tonight :p) > > >>>> > > >>>> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: > > >>>>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Koen Heltzel wrote: > > >>>>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > > >>>>>> Cool show and competitors :D > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> - Koen > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > > >>>>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could > > > try to > > >>>>>>> download it with this torrent file: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ > > >>>>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- > > >>>>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> It's very slow for me though. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> - Koen > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Yahoo! 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and finally :p http://www.belgiancubes.be/newcouple.jpg what do you think ? 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@gmail.com>: > Btw, how come you are not in the Interview list ? (video link on the > main page), there are only 14 people there. > Why are you out ? > (and who's the other ? (I'm not familiar with the names.) > > Gilles. > > 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@gmail.com>: > > The end of this episode is indeed special, but assuming that the > > "rock/sing/danse show" was made after that dismissal, it could be very > > easy to determine which couple was changed. > > I'll take a brief look at that later. > > Otherwise I must admit that it's a very funny show and that I laught > > quite a lot. > > Tyson will win :p > > > > Gilles. > > > > 2006/1/14, Tyson Mao <tmao@its.caltech.edu>: > > > It definitely takes many more years to do a lot of other things, such > > > as chess, music, athletics, etc. The list is endless. Simply said, > > > the new generation of cubers have reached their level of expertise in a > > > very short period of time—less than 3 years. > > > > > > Though, I'm not really sure why the girls would care about number 1. > > > There are many more important things that determine how you get on and > > > succeed on the show, such as the way you give your interviews, your > > > interactions between people in the house. > > > > > > I must say though, when I went there fore an interview, they were > > > strictly looking for sub-2 minute blindfold cubers, and cubers inspired > > > by little Japanese boys. > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > MSC #631 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Gaétan Guimond wrote: > > > > > > > Good Luck Tyson > > > > > > > > What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you > > > > > > > > -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a > > > > magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . > > > > > > > > -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess > > > > gamer. > > > > > > > > -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record > > > > because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it > > > > possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. > > > > > > > > http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 > > > > > > > > He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired > > > > to try it himself. > > > > > > > > "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," > > > > he said. "I thought I'd try it. > > > > > > > > :=) > > > > Gaétan > > > > > > > > PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same > > > > championship with my easy method 2x2x2. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. > > > >> > > > >> Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first > > > > interview > > > >> (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt > > > > tied > > > >> around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another > > > >> interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style > > > > blindfold > > > >> solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, > > > > it's > > > >> really bad and looks like I just plain suck. > > > >> > > > >> I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. > > > > Yikes. > > > >> Wish me luck! > > > >> > > > >> Tyson Mao > > > >> MSC #631 > > > >> California Institute of Technology > > > >> > > > >> On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not > > > > how > > > >>> they did it :p > > > >>> > > > >>> 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: > > > >>>> And here is the scramble : > > > >>>> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) > > > >>>> ;-) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Gilles. > > > >>>> (I'll watch that tonight :p) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: > > > >>>>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Koen Heltzel wrote: > > > >>>>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > > > >>>>>> Cool show and competitors :D > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> - Koen > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > > > >>>>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could > > > > try to > > > >>>>>>> download it with this torrent file: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ > > > >>>>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- > > > >>>>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> It's very slow for me though. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> - Koen > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Yahoo! 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Gaétan: Actually I don't use your method!! I use Ortega's method, don't remember the address to the site right now. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gaétan Guimond <rubiks99ca@y...> wrote: > > Good Luck Tyson > > What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you > > -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a > magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . > > -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess > gamer. > > -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record > because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it > possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. > > http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 > > He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired > to try it himself. > > "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," > he said. "I thought I'd try it. > > :=) > Gaétan > > PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same > championship with my easy method 2x2x2. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > > > Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. > > > > Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first > interview > > (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt > tied > > around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another > > interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style > blindfold > > solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, > it's > > really bad and looks like I just plain suck. > > > > I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. > Yikes. > > Wish me luck! > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > > > NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not > how > > > they did it :p > > > > > > 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: > > >> And here is the scramble : > > >> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) > > >> ;-) > > >> > > >> Gilles. > > >> (I'll watch that tonight :p) > > >> > > >> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: > > >>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Koen Heltzel wrote: > > >>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > > >>>> Cool show and competitors :D > > >>>> > > >>>> - Koen > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > > >>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could > try to > > >>>>> download it with this torrent file: > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ > > >>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- > > >>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > > >>>> > > >>>>> It's very slow for me though. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> - Koen > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I think it's 9.5 and 12. At least it was so at Dan Knights' page. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > Hello, > > Just a small question : > What's the average number of move required to complete OLL and then > PLL (Fridrich Method) ? (not counting U moves between steps) > > Thank you, > Gilles. >

mm...I found this site (;-) Joel) http://sinac.orgfree.com/3x3x3/lbl/oll.php http://sinac.orgfree.com/3x3x3/lbl/pll.php It says 11.66 for OLL and 12.17 for PLL. But I guess it depends on which algorithm you use, and which metric system you use. Thanks again, You might hear from me if what I find is statistically interesting :p Gilles. 2006/1/14, Anssi Vanhala <mahtianssi@...>: > I think it's 9.5 and 12. At least it was so at Dan Knights' page. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Just a small question : > > What's the average number of move required to complete OLL and then > > PLL (Fridrich Method) ? (not counting U moves between steps) > > > > Thank you, > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Someone mentioned this on another group I'm a member of, and I thought I'd pass it on: "If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - including this one - be aware that Yahoo is now using "Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and every group you visit, even when you're not connected to Yahoo. Look at their updated privacy statement at http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/ About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will see a link that says WEB BEACONS. Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the page that opens, find a paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo Network." In that section find a little "Click Here to Opt Out" link that will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Be careful! NOT to click on the next button shown. It is an "Opt Back In" button that, if clicked, will UNDO the opt-out. Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific. That means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you use." -Daniel

That makes it even BETTER to just have the group emailed to you. Yeah for GMail! (ask me if you need an account) -Chris On 1/14/06, Daniel Hayes <swedishlf@...> wrote: > > Someone mentioned this on another group I'm a member of, and I thought > I'd pass it on: > > "If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - including this one - be aware > that > Yahoo is now using "Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. > It's > similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and > every > group you visit, even when you're not connected to Yahoo. > > Look at their updated privacy statement at > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/ > > About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will see > a link that says WEB BEACONS. > > Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the page that opens, find a > paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo Network." > > In that section find a little "Click Here to Opt Out" link that will > let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Be careful! NOT to click on the > next button shown. It is an "Opt Back In" button that, if clicked, > will > UNDO the opt-out. > > Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to > opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific. That > means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you > use." > > -Daniel > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My friend and I thought the same thing... -Chris On 1/14/06, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > and finally :p > http://www.belgiancubes.be/newcouple.jpg > what do you think ? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Plus she seems really pissed off in the final interview :p Gilles. 2006/1/14, Chris Hunt <huntca@...>: > My friend and I thought the same thing... > > -Chris > > On 1/14/06, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > and finally :p > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/newcouple.jpg > > what do you think ? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

thx gilles for telling me how to download that torrent thing! just finished watching. i really had a good laugh!! it kinda made my day! (i even would have known the gwen steffani question ;-)) it would be really nice if someone posted a link to download after each episode... and yeah the short scenes from next show probably show what teams are swapped. keep on cubing! sander --- Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > Plus she seems really pissed off in the final > interview :p > > Gilles. > > 2006/1/14, Chris Hunt <huntca@...>: > > My friend and I thought the same thing... > > > > -Chris > > > > On 1/14/06, Gilles van den Peereboom > <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > > > and finally :p > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/newcouple.jpg > > > what do you think ? > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

hi i was just wondering if anyone has any recommendations on methods or any hints to help in learning blindfolding cubing because im having trouble learning the methods on sites like mackys. Thanks for the help John,

i started with the method on stefan pochmanns site http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/spocc/blindsolving/3x3/ well never got past that to be honest... once you know how the method works it's really easy to do it. (takes some time to come up with 24 colorfull items and a good route though. but that only needs to be done once.) it's not a very fast method (but of course a lot depends on how fast you can memorize things and turn the cube) but a very solid one. and no new algorithms that need to be learned (if you know PLL) sander --- undermostfiend <undermostfiend@...> wrote: > hi i was just wondering if anyone has any > recommendations on methods > or any hints to help in learning blindfolding cubing > because im having > trouble learning the methods on sites like mackys. > Thanks for the help > > John, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

The 220 was perfect. I went to Home Depot got me like 20 sheets for 3 bucks (or something ridiculous like that) and sanded my butt off for 2 hours. Thanks My remaining problem is that when I turn a side, it stretches and stuff. Does that mean the springs are too loose? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <maier@d...> wrote: > > 220 should be fine. > > Eric > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Jih" > <djspazy@c...> wrote: > > > > For my DIY kit, I need to eliminate the edge of the cover piece that > > covers the hole of the corner piece. What type of sand paper should I > > use for plastic? I want to get it really flat and smooth and I dont' > > want to wear it out too much. > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > i started with the method on stefan pochmanns site > http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/spocc/blindsolving/3x3/ > well never got past that to be honest... > once you know how the method works it's really easy to > do it. (takes some time to come up with 24 colorfull > items and a good route though. but that only needs to > be done once.) it's not a very fast method Heywhaddayamean? Jean Pons's 2:05.36 is the European record using that system :-) Cheers! Stefan

about BATG... did you guys notice only 5 teams are sitting at the poker table? and tyson isn't one of them...! what happened? and i guess the pochmann-method can be fast then ;-) i'm just not very used to blindfold solving a very rough calculation... 11 edges with T-permutation + setup (and undo) moves --> 11x (14 + 2to4) moves T-permutation and another PLL to get corners back in place --> 24 moves 7 corners with some algorithm + setup (and undo) moves --> 7x (15 + 2to4) moves more or less a total of 337 turns. how many turns do these others systems more or less need to complete a cube blindfolded? sander --- Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > > be done once.) it's not a very fast method > > Heywhaddayamean? Jean Pons's 2:05.36 is the European > record using that > system :-) > > Cheers! > Stefan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > more or less a total of 337 turns. how many turns do > these others systems more or less need to complete a > cube blindfolded? Less. Much less :-) Stefan

can you give me examples of other methods? Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > more or less a total of 337 turns. how many turns do > these others systems more or less need to complete a > cube blindfolded? Less. Much less :-) Stefan --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

About the BATG thing...I noticed that too, and other ppl prolly noticed it...but I've had some speculation on that, to make u think that they are wrongfully showing you someone missing...maybe tyson won some sort of challenge and was off enjoying his rewards??? maybe...hopefully... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > about BATG... > did you guys notice only 5 teams are sitting at the > poker table? and tyson isn't one of them...! what > happened? > > and i guess the pochmann-method can be fast then ;-) > i'm just not very used to blindfold solving > > a very rough calculation... > > 11 edges with T-permutation + setup (and undo) moves > --> 11x (14 + 2to4) moves > T-permutation and another PLL to get corners back in > place > --> 24 moves > 7 corners with some algorithm + setup (and undo) moves > --> 7x (15 + 2to4) moves > > more or less a total of 337 turns. how many turns do > these others systems more or less need to complete a > cube blindfolded? > > sander > > --- Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > > > > be done once.) it's not a very fast method > > > > Heywhaddayamean? Jean Pons's 2:05.36 is the European > > record using that > > system :-) > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

I don't think they should be able to do this without contacting the members and asking permission first, when we signed up we agreed to the privacy statement then, not to the new revised one... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@h...> wrote: > > Someone mentioned this on another group I'm a member of, and I thought > I'd pass it on: > > "If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - including this one - be aware > that > Yahoo is now using "Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. > It's > similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and > every > group you visit, even when you're not connected to Yahoo. > > Look at their updated privacy statement at > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/ > > About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will see > a link that says WEB BEACONS. > > Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the page that opens, find a > paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo Network." > > In that section find a little "Click Here to Opt Out" link that will > let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Be careful! NOT to click on the > next button shown. It is an "Opt Back In" button that, if clicked, > will > UNDO the opt-out. > > Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to > opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific. That > means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you > use." > > -Daniel >

...My 2 cents... Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a time of 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an American has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@y...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the > Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. > > Tyson left a message on my phone and asked to post since they don't > have internet right now. > > Ian >

I think that because it's a free service, they can do whatever they want. -Chris On 1/14/06, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: > > I don't think they should be able to do this without contacting the > members and asking permission first, when we signed up we agreed to > the privacy statement then, not to the new revised one... > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" > <swedishlf@h...> wrote: > > > > Someone mentioned this on another group I'm a member of, and I thought > > I'd pass it on: > > > > "If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - including this one - be aware > > that > > Yahoo is now using "Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. > > It's > > similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and > > every > > group you visit, even when you're not connected to Yahoo. > > > > Look at their updated privacy statement at > > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/ > > > > About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will see > > a link that says WEB BEACONS. > > > > Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the page that opens, find a > > paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo Network." > > > > In that section find a little "Click Here to Opt Out" link that will > > let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Be careful! NOT to click on the > > next button shown. It is an "Opt Back In" button that, if clicked, > > will > > UNDO the opt-out. > > > > Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to > > opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific. That > > means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you > > use." > > > > -Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi All, The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they don't have internet right now. Ian

Wow...fastest with his eyes open AND shut. Nice Leyan. -Chris On 1/14/06, Ian <iwinoky@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the > Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. > > Tyson left a message on my phone and asked to post since they don't > have internet right now. > > Ian > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We're still finalizing the results: http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/Winter%202006%20Workbook.xls But you can check that out. Congratulations to Leyan Lo on his 11.13 second solve, the new world record. I will work on getting a video of it. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

...My 2 cents... Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a time of 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an American has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@y...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the > Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. > > Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they don't > have internet right now. > > Ian >

Theres gotta be a video of the world record...if not...it shouldn't count :p...haha...j/k Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > We're still finalizing the results: > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/Winter%202006%20Workbook.xls > > But you can check that out. Congratulations to Leyan Lo on his 11.13 > second solve, the new world record. I will work on getting a video of > it. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology >

I'm not sure, but I think elimination was mentioned on the internet somewhere, but I could be wrong. On 14/01/06, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: > > About the BATG thing...I noticed that too, and other ppl prolly > noticed it...but I've had some speculation on that, to make u think > that they are wrongfully showing you someone missing...maybe tyson won > some sort of challenge and was off enjoying his rewards??? > maybe...hopefully... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx > <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > > > about BATG... > > did you guys notice only 5 teams are sitting at the > > poker table? and tyson isn't one of them...! what > > happened? > > > > and i guess the pochmann-method can be fast then ;-) > > i'm just not very used to blindfold solving > > > > a very rough calculation... > > > > 11 edges with T-permutation + setup (and undo) moves > > --> 11x (14 + 2to4) moves > > T-permutation and another PLL to get corners back in > > place > > --> 24 moves > > 7 corners with some algorithm + setup (and undo) moves > > --> 7x (15 + 2to4) moves > > > > more or less a total of 337 turns. how many turns do > > these others systems more or less need to complete a > > cube blindfolded? > > > > sander > > > > --- Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > > <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > be done once.) it's not a very fast method > > > > > > Heywhaddayamean? Jean Pons's 2:05.36 is the European > > > record using that > > > system :-) > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

So its all done now??? ok...well then...GO FRANK!!! So much for not entering competitions for a while...right off WR pace with Average of 5 compared to mean of 3...wow...Great tourney it seems congrats to all...lots of new WRs set...first tourney of the year...go figure...new rules new records... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > We're still finalizing the results: > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/Winter%202006%20Workbook.xls > > But you can check that out. Congratulations to Leyan Lo on his 11.13 > second solve, the new world record. I will work on getting a video of > it. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology >

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/14/state/ n185801S76.DTL http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_014195336.html http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=4363706&nav=9qrx http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/ Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1137279035383&col=9687058 99037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/ News Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > So its all done now??? ok...well then...GO FRANK!!! So much for not > entering competitions for a while...right off WR pace with Average of > 5 compared to mean of 3...wow...Great tourney it seems congrats to > all...lots of new WRs set...first tourney of the year...go > figure...new rules new records... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: >> >> We're still finalizing the results: >> >> http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/Winter%202006%20Workbook.xls >> >> But you can check that out. Congratulations to Leyan Lo on his 11.13 >> second solve, the new world record. I will work on getting a video of >> it. >> >> Tyson Mao >> MSC #631 >> California Institute of Technology >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

"go figure...new rules new records..." IMO, the new rules produce much more consistent results, with lucky solves not reflecting as much in the final result. -Richard > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > > > We're still finalizing the results: > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/Winter%202006%20Workbook.xls > > > > But you can check that out. Congratulations to Leyan Lo on his 11.13 > > second solve, the new world record. I will work on getting a video of > > it. > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > >

I was wonder how many of you would be interested in going to a Midwest competition in Missouri. I want to get a midwest competition organized, but first I want to know how many people we can get first.

Brittany, and I don't know why. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > Btw, how come you are not in the Interview list ? (video link on the > main page), there are only 14 people there. > Why are you out ? > (and who's the other ? (I'm not familiar with the names.) > > Gilles. > > 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...>: >> The end of this episode is indeed special, but assuming that the >> "rock/sing/danse show" was made after that dismissal, it could be very >> easy to determine which couple was changed. >> I'll take a brief look at that later. >> Otherwise I must admit that it's a very funny show and that I laught >> quite a lot. >> Tyson will win :p >> >> Gilles. >> >> 2006/1/14, Tyson Mao <tmao@...>: >>> It definitely takes many more years to do a lot of other things, such >>> as chess, music, athletics, etc. The list is endless. Simply said, >>> the new generation of cubers have reached their level of expertise >>> in a >>> very short period of time—less than 3 years. >>> >>> Though, I'm not really sure why the girls would care about number 1. >>> There are many more important things that determine how you get on >>> and >>> succeed on the show, such as the way you give your interviews, your >>> interactions between people in the house. >>> >>> I must say though, when I went there fore an interview, they were >>> strictly looking for sub-2 minute blindfold cubers, and cubers >>> inspired >>> by little Japanese boys. >>> >>> Tyson Mao >>> MSC #631 >>> California Institute of Technology >>> >>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Gaétan Guimond wrote: >>> >>>> Good Luck Tyson >>>> >>>> What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you >>>> >>>> -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a >>>> magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . >>>> >>>> -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess >>>> gamer. >>>> >>>> -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record >>>> because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it >>>> possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. >>>> >>>> http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 >>>> >>>> He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired >>>> to try it himself. >>>> >>>> "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," >>>> he said. "I thought I'd try it. >>>> >>>> :=) >>>> Gaétan >>>> >>>> PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same >>>> championship with my easy method 2x2x2. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first >>>> interview >>>>> (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt >>>> tied >>>>> around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another >>>>> interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style >>>> blindfold >>>>> solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, >>>> it's >>>>> really bad and looks like I just plain suck. >>>>> >>>>> I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. >>>> Yikes. >>>>> Wish me luck! >>>>> >>>>> Tyson Mao >>>>> MSC #631 >>>>> California Institute of Technology >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not >>>> how >>>>>> they did it :p >>>>>> >>>>>> 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: >>>>>>> And here is the scramble : >>>>>>> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) >>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gilles. >>>>>>> (I'll watch that tonight :p) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: >>>>>>>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Koen Heltzel wrote: >>>>>>>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. >>>>>>>>> Cool show and competitors :D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Koen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" >>>>>>>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could >>>> try to >>>>>>>>>> download it with this torrent file: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ >>>>>>>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- >>>>>>>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's very slow for me though. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Koen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, metgorubiks <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I was wonder how many of you would be interested in going to a Midwest > competition in Missouri. I want to get a midwest competition > organized, but first I want to know how many people we can get first. I would most definitely come. Perhaps my girlfriend, too. When are you thinking about hosting it, and where in Missouri? I'm from Iowa, so it's only a few hours' drive. The Midwest group would be another good place to poll about this. -Mike

You're right. We can't get a video, so it won't count, because obviously it was fake. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > Theres gotta be a video of the world record...if not...it shouldn't > count :p...haha...j/k > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: >> >> We're still finalizing the results: >> >> http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/Winter%202006%20Workbook.xls >> >> But you can check that out. Congratulations to Leyan Lo on his 11.13 >> second solve, the new world record. I will work on getting a video of >> it. >> >> Tyson Mao >> MSC #631 >> California Institute of Technology >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Well I live in the St. Louis Area, and I'm not really sure when to have it, I just know that I want to have one, I havn't come up with any details yet. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, metgorubiks > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > I was wonder how many of you would be interested in going to a > Midwest > > competition in Missouri. I want to get a midwest competition > > organized, but first I want to know how many people we can get first. > > I would most definitely come. Perhaps my girlfriend, too. When are > you thinking about hosting it, and where in Missouri? I'm from Iowa, > so it's only a few hours' drive. The Midwest group would be another > good place to poll about this. > > -Mike >

Sweet...at least you see it the same way I do :p GO LEYAN AND FRANK!!! Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > You're right. We can't get a video, so it won't count, because > obviously it was fake. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > Theres gotta be a video of the world record...if not...it shouldn't > > count :p...haha...j/k > > > > Craig

Richard, By that I meant, this is the first competition, so whoever had the best times in the events with new rules, are guaranteed new WRs...thats what i meant...sorry for any confusion...and Richard, I agree 100%...any chance we can see Leyan's Scramble/Solve???(the moves I mean) and why didn't Macky get a crazy time on that solve too :p Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > > "go figure...new rules new records..." > > IMO, the new rules produce much more consistent results, with lucky > solves not reflecting as much in the final result. > > -Richard

Here's another: http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/01/15/ap2450738.htm l Way to go Leyan! Wish I could've been there. Two questions: Did Tyson not compete? Was Jessica Fridrich there? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/14/state/ > n185801S76.DTL > > http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_014195336.html > > http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=4363706&nav=9qrx > > http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer? pagename=thestar/Layout/ > Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1137279035383&col=9687 058 > 99037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/ > News > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > So its all done now??? ok...well then...GO FRANK!!! So much for not > > entering competitions for a while...right off WR pace with Average of > > 5 compared to mean of 3...wow...Great tourney it seems congrats to > > all...lots of new WRs set...first tourney of the year...go > > figure...new rules new records... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > > wrote: > >> > >> We're still finalizing the results: > >> > >> http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/Winter%202006%20Workbook.xls > >> > >> But you can check that out. Congratulations to Leyan Lo on his 11.13 > >> second solve, the new world record. I will work on getting a video of > >> it. > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> MSC #631 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hey, I was just curious what the shortest move count for a non-lucky solve would be...using Fridrich, and no advanced techniques such as Xcross or w/e... Cross: Kinda ambiguous...if it is 1 or 2 moves...some ppl consider it lucky...but this will only barely affect the final count...I'll use 2 in my count... Pair 1: 3 moves Pair 2: 3 moves Pair 3: 3 moves Pair 4: 3 moves OLL: 6 moves (i believe this is the shortest one) PLL: 9 moves (don't shoot me if I'm wrong) Total: 29 moves Someone turning at 3 moves/sec would get sub-10...and if you did Xcross it would be less...you would eliminate one pair...maybe 1 sec...I was just curious... Craig

Same article again, Check Speecubing.com for full results, Tyson was in BLD I Know that for sure... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Here's another: > > http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/01/15/ap2450738.htm > l > > Way to go Leyan! Wish I could've been there. > > Two questions: Did Tyson not compete? Was Jessica Fridrich there? > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/14/state/ > > n185801S76.DTL > > > > http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_014195336.html > > > > http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=4363706&nav=9qrx > > > > http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer? > pagename=thestar/Layout/ > > > Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1137279035383&col=9687 > 058 > > > 99037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/ > > News > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > > > So its all done now??? ok...well then...GO FRANK!!! So much for > not > > > entering competitions for a while...right off WR pace with > Average of > > > 5 compared to mean of 3...wow...Great tourney it seems congrats > to > > > all...lots of new WRs set...first tourney of the year...go > > > figure...new rules new records... > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > <tmao@i...> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> We're still finalizing the results: > > >> > > >> http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/Winter%202006%20Workbook.xls > > >> > > >> But you can check that out. Congratulations to Leyan Lo on his > 11.13 > > >> second solve, the new world record. I will work on getting a > video of > > >> it. > > >> > > >> Tyson Mao > > >> MSC #631 > > >> California Institute of Technology > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

The results are up on speedcubing.com. Frank was the only 5x5 competitor? I could've made 2nd place!!! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Sweet...at least you see it the same way I do :p GO LEYAN AND FRANK!!! > > Craig

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > PLL: 9 moves (don't shoot me if I'm wrong) > Total: 29 moves > Someone turning at 3 moves/sec would get sub-10...and if you did > Xcross it would be less...you would eliminate one pair...maybe 1 > sec...I was just curious... > > Craig If you get the H perm or use a 7 move 3 edge cycle, it could be 2 shorter. 27 is better than 29. If you allow an easy 2 move xcross, that makes for a grand total of 25 for the shortest possible non-lucky case. But wait. Better idea: If you do a Roux solve, the best possible case is 2 moves for a non-lucky F2B, 6 for the corners, 3 for orienting edges and 3 to finish. 14 beats 25 in my book, especially when it only involves 1 rotation and no regrips after. :) -Mike

And if cross+corners+OLL+the rest = 1+3+5+7 = 16 (in STM) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Shortest move Count... > Hey, > > I was just curious what the shortest move count for a non-lucky solve > would be...using Fridrich, and no advanced techniques such as Xcross > or w/e... > > Cross: Kinda ambiguous...if it is 1 or 2 moves...some ppl consider it > lucky...but this will only barely affect the final count...I'll use 2 > in my count... > Pair 1: 3 moves > Pair 2: 3 moves > Pair 3: 3 moves > Pair 4: 3 moves > OLL: 6 moves (i believe this is the shortest one) > PLL: 9 moves (don't shoot me if I'm wrong) > Total: 29 moves > Someone turning at 3 moves/sec would get sub-10...and if you did > Xcross it would be less...you would eliminate one pair...maybe 1 > sec...I was just curious... > > Craig > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

> If you do a Roux solve, the best possible case is 2 moves for a > non-lucky F2B, 6 for the corners, 3 for orienting edges and 3 to finish. Do you have a scramble for that? :P ~Thom

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > > If you do a Roux solve, the best possible case is 2 moves for a > > non-lucky F2B, 6 for the corners, 3 for orienting edges and 3 to finish. > > Do you have a scramble for that? :P > > ~Thom (M'[FB'])(FRUR'U'F')(MUM')(M'U2M) Backwards to scramble. Personally, I hate S moves, so I'd do a y adjustment, an M', and another y, but that's it. If you can see ahead of time whhere the DF edge is, you can get a head start on solving it, changing the two M' turns into a single M2, shortening to a 13 move solve. I can't wait until that comes up in competition. :) Leyan, watch out. -Mike

Sub-5 :P I found a really nice alg recently that I can execute faster than gilles' version because of the M' slices. Also it leaves the LSEC finished in a more proper fashion :) (U'M'UM')*3 Try it, it's fun... ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > > > > If you do a Roux solve, the best possible case is 2 moves for a > > > non-lucky F2B, 6 for the corners, 3 for orienting edges and 3 to > finish. > > > > Do you have a scramble for that? :P > > > > ~Thom > > (M'[FB'])(FRUR'U'F')(MUM')(M'U2M) > > Backwards to scramble. Personally, I hate S moves, so I'd do a y > adjustment, an M', and another y, but that's it. If you can see ahead > of time whhere the DF edge is, you can get a head start on solving it, > changing the two M' turns into a single M2, shortening to a 13 move solve. > > I can't wait until that comes up in competition. :) > > Leyan, watch out. > > -Mike >

If I can apply minimal pressure to the top two front corner cubies and they move apart, does that mean my screws are too loose?

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > Sub-5 :P > > I found a really nice alg recently that I can execute faster than > gilles' version because of the M' slices. Also it leaves the LSEC > finished in a more proper fashion :) > > (U'M'UM')*3 > > Try it, it's fun... > > ~Thom I have a site that's going up sometime in the near future. One of the first things to be finished will be my variation on Roux step 4, and my recent idea about using a VHF2L alg to help get solved and 3 edges orientations 100% of the time. Richard Patterson and I have been working on things like that lately a lot, and it looks promising. Promising like I was averaging < 45 moves with it, and I know little over half the algs necessary. Stay tuned. -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > > > Sub-5 :P > > > > I found a really nice alg recently that I can execute faster than > > gilles' version because of the M' slices. Also it leaves the LSEC > > finished in a more proper fashion :) > > > > (U'M'UM')*3 > > > > Try it, it's fun... > > > > ~Thom > > I have a site that's going up sometime in the near future. One of the > first things to be finished will be my variation on Roux step 4, and > my recent idea about using a VHF2L alg to help get solved and 3 edges > orientations 100% of the time. Richard Patterson and I have been > working on things like that lately a lot, and it looks promising. > Promising like I was averaging < 45 moves with it, and I know little > over half the algs necessary. Stay tuned. > > -Mike > Finally! another site for roux solvers! I'm about 60% done with CMLL so once that's finished I'll be after something else, that's probibly it. I may even start it before I finish CMLL. It'd be good to have some system to help speed up the F2B :) but until then, I'll just have to think about it more :P ~Thom

had a nice time ppl :) great to meet all of you guys. as of this time, i just got back to LA from san fran. congrats to all winners / 17th position guy. hope 2 c most of u again this coming spring competition. PS: dont forget to watch BATG.

Due to the contest running long, several "run-time" changes were made to the competition: - 5x was narrowed down to Frank (since he was the only registered contestant who could finish 5 solves in a reasonable time). - 4x4x4 and 3x-onehanded were run with elimination times. If you finished a solve in more than 2:30, you didn't get any more solves. [This one killed me when I made a mistake at the end of my fourth one- handed solve and had to essentially solve twice, ending up at 2:33. Ouch! No average for me :(] - several of the Magic runs were done at a side table. [This was fun. Many spectators were crowded around the table asking and watching. I actually got applause after my runs, which was embarassing given how slow I am.) Despite my personally disappointing performance, it was a great contest. More impressions in another posting. yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > The results are up on speedcubing.com. Frank was the only 5x5 > competitor? I could've made 2nd place!!! > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Sweet...at least you see it the same way I do :p GO LEYAN AND > FRANK!!! > > > > Craig >

Tyson, since he puts a tremendous amount of work into organizing, publicizing and supervising the contest, tends not to compete (except in blindfold). He was regularly talking to press people, keeping things going, making run-time decisions on contest timing, and all over the place - hopefully he got lunch this time. Jessica Fridrich did not compete - no idea why. But if all the young gals in the audience wanted someone female to look up to, Casey Pernsteiner is the new idol. I was impressed by how calm and smooth her solves were in the final round. yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Here's another: > > http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/01/15/ap2450738.htm > l > > Way to go Leyan! Wish I could've been there. > > Two questions: Did Tyson not compete? Was Jessica Fridrich there? > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/n/a/2006/01/14/state/ > > n185801S76.DTL > > > > http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_014195336.html > > > > http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=4363706&nav=9qrx > > > > http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer? > pagename=thestar/Layout/ > > > Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1137279035383&col=9687 > 058 > > > 99037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/ > > News > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > > > So its all done now??? ok...well then...GO FRANK!!! So much for > not > > > entering competitions for a while...right off WR pace with > Average of > > > 5 compared to mean of 3...wow...Great tourney it seems congrats > to > > > all...lots of new WRs set...first tourney of the year...go > > > figure...new rules new records... > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > <tmao@i...> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> We're still finalizing the results: > > >> > > >> http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/Winter%202006% 20Workbook.xls > > >> > > >> But you can check that out. Congratulations to Leyan Lo on his > 11.13 > > >> second solve, the new world record. I will work on getting a > video of > > >> it. > > >> > > >> Tyson Mao > > >> MSC #631 > > >> California Institute of Technology > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@y.. .> wrote: > > - 4x4x4 and 3x-onehanded were run with elimination times. If you > finished a solve in more than 2:30, you didn't get any more solves. > > [This one killed me when I made a mistake at the end of my fourth one- > handed solve and had to essentially solve twice, ending up at 2:33. > Ouch! No average for me :(] You should've just stopped the timer before the limit, no matter how solved your cube is. That's a DNF then, which is much better than disqualification. Was this maybe the reason why Macky DNFed at 4x4? Btw, why do the results say DNF for your fifth attempt? That means you were allowed a fifth solve. Cheers! Stefan

I just went to the hardware store and picked up two kinds of silicon spray for my cubes, one is CRC, and the other is Elmer's. Im not sure if they are oil-based, it says no where on the bottle. What should i be looking for? Any other tips you have would be great. -David

All -- Just wanted to give some impressions of this year's contest at the Exploratorium. - The competition was fun, as always. Almost 60 competitors in the 3x, many of them probably in a first competition, along with the new format (5 solves per competitor) meant the first round ran long. This required some changes to the rest of the events which meant contestants didn't get to do as much as they wanted. - For next year, I'd suggest having a "side stage" and if people are beyond a certain cutoff time (3x world record average?) on their first solve in an event, move them to the side stage for the rest of their solves. This allows for running things in parallel. The side stage (which was set up for the Magic) also allows for the audience to get closer to the action (which I must admit was fun when I did my Magic runs). - The grouping (bring cubers up in groups to do all their runs at well) works well. Though being in the first group made me very nervous - I was shaking like a leaf during my solves ... - The crowd was fantastic! There were probably close to 200 people watching, of all ages. I regularly talked to people in the crowd who were just amazed by the abilities of the cubers (one quote: "We didn't even know this was here and we've been sitting here all day just transfixed!"). The crowd regularly cheered great times and successful blindfold solves. They also liked all the fun awards at the end, like 17th place in 3x first round, farthest traveled, best camera crew :) - It seemed like Blindfold had a lot of DNF? I'd guess that the crowd noise and the need to run four blindfold solvers at once made it tough but I didn't compete in blindfold, so I don't know. - There was a "Meet the Cubers" table where people would sit and the audience could interact with them. It seemed like not too many people came by the table? Perhaps if there was a side stage, the table (and the merchandise table) could be in that area. Things got a little crowded with the cuber waiting area being right next to merchandise and to the audience (and to where the press wanted to talk to people). - The press could also probably use a couple "pods" where they could get close to the action without having to step in front of audience. Perhaps one on each side? But, most importantly, any difficulties and changes that occurred during the competition were due to success! Many more competitors and a huge, appreciative crowd made for a great, exciting competition. While I was personally disappointed in how I did, I can't deny that everyone had a great time. Many thanks to all the folks who organized and ran the competition, and special thanks to Tyson for all his hard work! yeff

if its a silicon spray doesnt that mean its silicon based? David Skolnik <lockjaw17des@...> wrote: I just went to the hardware store and picked up two kinds of silicon spray for my cubes, one is CRC, and the other is Elmer's. Im not sure if they are oil-based, it says no where on the bottle. What should i be looking for? Any other tips you have would be great. -David --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

All -- Using my standard points system (10 for 1st, 9 for 2nd, etc, until you get to 10 contestants or the first DNF), here's Top Cuber and Top Puzzler for the Winter 2006 competition. **** Top Cuber (all cubing events) 38 points = Leyan Lo, Frank Morris 35 points = Shotaro Makisumi Leyan was first or second in all four events he participated in, Frank was top 6 in every cubing event; Macky was top 3 in every event he did. **** Top Puzzler (add in Magic) 43 points = Frank Morris 38 = Leyan 35 = Macky 33 = Warren Liao yeff

You don't want any type of petroleum products in it. I know that "Gunk" brand has petroleum so I'd avoid it. Eric --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David Skolnik" <lockjaw17des@y...> wrote: > > I just went to the hardware store and picked up two kinds of silicon > spray for my cubes, one is CRC, and the other is Elmer's. Im not sure > if they are oil-based, it says no where on the bottle. What should i > be looking for? Any other tips you have would be great. > -David >

I've tried alot of different lubes and by far the CRC silicone spray is the best. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David Skolnik" <lockjaw17des@y...> wrote: > > I just went to the hardware store and picked up two kinds of silicon > spray for my cubes, one is CRC, and the other is Elmer's. Im not sure > if they are oil-based, it says no where on the bottle. What should i > be looking for? Any other tips you have would be great. > -David >

Hey everyone, I've known that this happens to me, but tonight I had a chance to really test it. I feel like I'm pretty good at blocking out distraction when I'm solving, but there is one distraction that I just can't handle or block out. If someone counts out the timer during my solve I can't block it out, and I've noticed that I subconsciously count along with the person instead of devoting all of my attention to solving. I was practicing the 4x4x4 when my sister came up and started counting every second on the timer as they changed. She seemed to enjoy doing this, so I encouraged her to keep it up for a few solves since it was really hard to focus when she did this. Here is a list of times that I did with her counting along with the seconds as they changed: 1:13.40 1:12.38 1:16.91 1:17.07 1:09.42 1:27.55 I then did a few solves without her counting along: 1:02.12 1:02.16 Then she counted along again: 1:21.92 1:12.75 Then no counting again: 58.86 1:09.94 1:04.17 Then I did two 3x3x3 solves with her counting along: 13.99 17.32 The counting didn't seem to affect my concentration when doing the 3x3x3, but when solving the 4x4x4 (particularly edges) I had a horrible time trying to concentrate when the time was being called out. I tended to rush and solve too quickly, and even with really deep breathing I still tried to solve too quickly without realizing it. Does anyone else have this problem? Is this something that would affect all cubers, or am I just the type of person that can't handle this particular type of distraction? Also, I find it interesting that hearing the seconds counted out during a 3x3x3 doesn't really affect my concentration, whereas for the 4x4x4 I have a much harder time doing the solve. Does anyone else have a distraction that they just can't handle? Does hearing the seconds counted out during your solve mess anyone else up? Chris

My name is Nicky. Compared to several times I've seen listed, I rather slow. I average on a 3x3x3 cube about 80 to 90 seconds. I would like my times to be much lower!!! Sometimes the R'LU2 type notations get a little confusing. It just seems like there are SO MANY combinations that it would be tough to memorize them all! Would someone be kind enough to email me with some tips, tricks, or website that would help me? Thanks! Email is nickandtamcox@...

I agree with Mike that the CRC is very good, but be careful. The CRC seems to break the plastic down rather quickly. I use it on a new cube that I want to smooth out, then use Prestone after that. I'll never put the CRC on a Studio Cube again. The soft plastic was worn out within weeks, but the 25th anny. cubes don't wear so fast. Matt

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone could help to explain to me more in detail how the cycles work in the permutation of the corners im having a bit of trouble. Thanks for all the help John,

No, macky had a tragic pop on the last move and couldn't get the pieces back in :( > > Was this maybe the reason why Macky DNFed at 4x4? > > Btw, why do the results say DNF for your fifth attempt? That means you > were allowed a fifth solve. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Check out the video on the page. http://news.com.com/Record+falls+as+best+Rubiks+cubers+meet+in+S.F./ 2100-1043_3-6027330.html?tag=nefd.lede Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

I believe Jason Kovacic purposely DNFed a one-handed solve but couldn't continue. I had a ridiculous DNF on my first speed solve of final round. The new generation timer has the reset button near the sensor, and I accidentally hit it when stopping the timer. sigh. very bad competition for me.. I think sitting down helps me. shakey cold nervous fingers. congrats to everyone who did well =) Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@y.. > .> wrote: > > > > - 4x4x4 and 3x-onehanded were run with elimination times. If you > > finished a solve in more than 2:30, you didn't get any more solves. > > > > [This one killed me when I made a mistake at the end of my fourth > one- > > handed solve and had to essentially solve twice, ending up at 2:33. > > Ouch! No average for me :(] > > You should've just stopped the timer before the limit, no matter how > solved your cube is. That's a DNF then, which is much better than > disqualification. > > Was this maybe the reason why Macky DNFed at 4x4? > > Btw, why do the results say DNF for your fifth attempt? That means you > were allowed a fifth solve. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Yeah, the Generation 2 StackMat has that problem. Unfortunately, we can't do anything about it if you reset the timer yourself. There's no one really to blame for that. San Francisco is certainly much cooler than Los Angeles in the winter. Gloves? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 15, 2006, at 7:35 PM, smgfreak_dk wrote: > I believe Jason Kovacic purposely DNFed a one-handed solve but > couldn't continue. > > I had a ridiculous DNF on my first speed solve of final round. The new > generation timer has the reset button near the sensor, and I > accidentally hit it when stopping the timer. sigh. very bad > competition for me.. I think sitting down helps me. shakey cold > nervous fingers. > > congrats to everyone who did well =) > > Darren > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@y.. >> .> wrote: >>> >>> - 4x4x4 and 3x-onehanded were run with elimination times. If you >>> finished a solve in more than 2:30, you didn't get any more solves. >>> >>> [This one killed me when I made a mistake at the end of my fourth >> one- >>> handed solve and had to essentially solve twice, ending up at 2:33. >>> Ouch! No average for me :(] >> >> You should've just stopped the timer before the limit, no matter how >> solved your cube is. That's a DNF then, which is much better than >> disqualification. >> >> Was this maybe the reason why Macky DNFed at 4x4? >> >> Btw, why do the results say DNF for your fifth attempt? That means you >> were allowed a fifth solve. >> >> Cheers! >> Stefan >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

> - 4x4x4 and 3x-onehanded were run with elimination times. If you > finished a solve in more than 2:30, you didn't get any more solves. > > [This one killed me when I made a mistake at the end of my fourth one- > handed solve and had to essentially solve twice, ending up at 2:33. > Ouch! No average for me :(] I don't get it...you had four successful solves, why didn't they count the DNF as your worst attempt, the 76.87 as your best, and average the other three? That's an average of 105.05, enough for you to be in 17th place, seems to me like that would have been fair...or did I miss something in the 2006 regulations?

After watching 24 (my whole family is addicted to it), the news previews came on and ran down the headlines they would talk about. They mentioned the new record (congrats to Leyan by the way), and so I raced back home to try to watch it. Turns out I watched for about a half hour before it came on, and it ended up being only a 10 second segment! They showed a few brief clips of cubes spinning and the newscaster talked over it. He got confused and basically said the 11 seconds was a new record for one-handed solving. That was a bummer that he screwed up the info, but its cool to see cubing in the news, which will hopefully help it spread even more. -Chris Parlette --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Check out the video on the page. > > http://news.com.com/Record+falls+as+best+Rubiks+cubers+meet+in+S.F./ > 2100-1043_3-6027330.html?tag=nefd.lede > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology >

A DNF would have also meant no fifth solve attempt. The flow of events (during the solve) went something like this (As a note, I average about 1:20-1:30 one-handed): I'm going through the solve and starting my 4-step LL, and after orienting edges all the corners are oriented as well. I think "Ooh, a PLL, should I? Let's go for it!" (I haven't practiced PLL one- handed). I screw up, and say (to myself, and to proctor): "Dang, I messed up, I'll just take a DNF". Here's the rest of the conversation (while I'm starting over from the cross). Proctor: Well, if you DNF, you don't get your fifth solve. Me: What? Proctor: We're running out of time, so DNF means no more solves. Me: OK, I'll finish it. Proctor: And if you finish after 2:30, you don't get your fifth solve either. Me: What?!?! Proctor: Yeah, sorry, we're just running out of time. Me: Aak! I'd better hurry. I probably could have petitioned Tyson for the fifth solve, but I was already mad at myself for taking a chance, so I didn't even try. The point that the fifth solve should be a DNS, and that I could still have a valid average (tossing the DNS and the fastest time) are both reasonable - maybe I can petition for an average to be listed. But it would be a 1:45 average, and I was shooting for 1:30, so I wouldn't be happy anyway :) yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@y.. > .> wrote: > > > > - 4x4x4 and 3x-onehanded were run with elimination times. If you > > finished a solve in more than 2:30, you didn't get any more solves. > > > > [This one killed me when I made a mistake at the end of my solve > You should've just stopped the timer before the limit, no matter how > solved your cube is. That's a DNF then, which is much better than > disqualification. > > Was this maybe the reason why Macky DNFed at 4x4? > > Btw, why do the results say DNF for your fifth attempt? That means you > were allowed a fifth solve.

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Hey guys, That 11.13 second solve I had had a PLL skip. No world record for me in my eyes. Many thanks to Tyson for running the competition. Leyan "Macky is still my hero" Lo Craig Bouchard wrote: > ...My 2 cents... > > Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's > previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a time of > 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an American > has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... > > Craig > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@y...> wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the >>Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. >> >>Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they don't >>have internet right now. >> >>Ian >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I agree with 'skeneegee'... I use CRC too. But I cannot say that it is the best... It is a personal prefference. Alberto ---- Original Message ----- From: skeneegee To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:35 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Silicon Spray I've tried alot of different lubes and by far the CRC silicone spray is the best. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David Skolnik" <lockjaw17des@y...> wrote: > > I just went to the hardware store and picked up two kinds of silicon > spray for my cubes, one is CRC, and the other is Elmer's. Im not sure > if they are oil-based, it says no where on the bottle. What should i > be looking for? Any other tips you have would be great. > -David > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I can say that I use CRC with all my studio cubes... even 3x and 4x cubes. But not only cubes. All my 3d puzzles work fine with CRC (rubiks, mefferts and so..). I lube every plastic puzzle in my hands and never experienced what you say. Alberto ----- Original Message ----- From: mgwallisa To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:07 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Silicon Spray I agree with Mike that the CRC is very good, but be careful. The CRC seems to break the plastic down rather quickly. I use it on a new cube that I want to smooth out, then use Prestone after that. I'll never put the CRC on a Studio Cube again. The soft plastic was worn out within weeks, but the 25th anny. cubes don't wear so fast. Matt SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hmm ... Im not too sure about the rules, but i think that would count as an official world record anyhow, even how lucky the solve is. This is because the scramble is same for everyone at that competition. Had u achieved that at home it's another matter :-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > That 11.13 second solve I had had a PLL skip. No world record for me in > my eyes. Many thanks to Tyson for running the competition. > > Leyan "Macky is still my hero" Lo > > > Craig Bouchard wrote: > > ...My 2 cents... > > > > Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's > > previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a time of > > 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an American > > has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@y...> wrote: > > > >>Hi All, > >> > >>The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the > >>Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. > >> > >>Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they don't > >>have internet right now. > >> > >>Ian > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > Finally! another site for roux solvers! > > I'm about 60% done with CMLL so once that's finished I'll be after > something else, that's probibly it. I may even start it before I > finish CMLL. > > It'd be good to have some system to help speed up the F2B :) but until > then, I'll just have to think about it more :P > > ~Thom Thom, Jason, and all of you other Roux solvers: What are the things you would want to see included most on another Roux site? How interested would you be in learning new algorithms to be able to solve the cube in fewer moves with Roux? How many new algs would you be willing to learn? How would you like to see the cases shown (java applets, imagecube, U face diagrams, etc.)? Any other suggestions? Also, Thom, I've completely switched to your 4 centers alg. I prefer to do it like (M'UM'U')*3, though. 12 turns in under 1.7 seconds! That's over 7 moves per second. If that's not reason enough to believe in MU algs, I don't know what is. -Mike

Hi all, A few weeks ago, I remember a few people bringing up several of their worst COLL cases, and many people had similar trouble algs. Here is a new one I found tonight that's very fast despite being so long. Try it. Set up the cube with the inverse. (L'U')(LU'L'U)*2 (LU'L'U')(RU')(LUR') 19 moves, but after only a little bit of practice, I'm already under 2.5 seconds on average with it. I suppose everyone else will probably want it in (mostly) RU, so here it is: (RU)(R'URU')*2 (R'URU)(L'U)(R'U'L) Also, try as I might, I still can't find a better alg for this case or its mirror(inverse to scramble): (LU')(R'U)(LU'R)U'(RUR'URU2R') For that and the mirror, I average around 2.75, but I've never found a better alg for it. Does anyone else use this? -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Also, I find it interesting that > hearing the seconds counted out during a 3x3x3 doesn't really affect > my concentration, whereas for the 4x4x4 I have a much harder time > doing the solve. Interesting. When doing the 4x4x4 edges, do you find that you almost say their names out loud, maybe even holding them temorarily in a kind of "speech memory"? (I do that -- just for the unpaired edges.) If so, that might be the difference... Mike

I use this alg for your first case: F R U' R' U R U2' R' U' R U R' U' F' It's only 14 moves and I can also average under 2.5 seconds no problem. For your second case, what exactly is it supposed to look like? Leyan Mike Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > > A few weeks ago, I remember a few people bringing up several of their > worst COLL cases, and many people had similar trouble algs. > > Here is a new one I found tonight that's very fast despite being so > long. Try it. Set up the cube with the inverse. > > (L'U')(LU'L'U)*2 (LU'L'U')(RU')(LUR') > > 19 moves, but after only a little bit of practice, I'm already under > 2.5 seconds on average with it. I suppose everyone else will probably > want it in (mostly) RU, so here it is: > > (RU)(R'URU')*2 (R'URU)(L'U)(R'U'L) > > Also, try as I might, I still can't find a better alg for this case or > its mirror(inverse to scramble): > > (LU')(R'U)(LU'R)U'(RUR'URU2R') > > For that and the mirror, I average around 2.75, but I've never found a > better alg for it. Does anyone else use this? > > -Mike > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

> > (LU')(R'U)(LU'R)U'(RUR'URU2R') > > For that and the mirror, I average around 2.75, but I've never found a > better alg for it. Does anyone else use this? > > -Mike I think there is a mistake in this last case. This alg gives nothing special. Christophe ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : t�l�phonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! D�couvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. T�l�chargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > That 11.13 second solve I had had a PLL skip. No world record for me in > my eyes. It's not THE world record (best average), but *it is a world record*. Gilles.

I have hit the reset button accidentally maybe once. And what is cool in celsius? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Yeah, the Generation 2 StackMat has that problem. Unfortunately, we > can't do anything about it if you reset the timer yourself. There's no > one really to blame for that. San Francisco is certainly much cooler > than Los Angeles in the winter. Gloves?

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...> wrote: > > I use this alg for your first case: > > F R U' R' U R U2' R' U' R U R' U' F' > > It's only 14 moves and I can also average under 2.5 seconds no problem. > > For your second case, what exactly is it supposed to look like? > > Leyan I'm going to have to practice that one. Still, it's fun to think that I was performing the other one at >7 moves/second. And yes, the second one I forgot a prime. Let's try again. (LU')(R'U)(L'U'R)U'(RUR'URU2R') It's just a simple two corner swap alg from my 4 look days with a Sune to finish. While not my slowest case, whenever this one comes up, I can't help but think 'I hate this one.' Hopefully someone has better ones. -Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > I also forgot the U2 at the end. Take three: > > (LU')(R'U)(L'U'R)U'(RUR'URU2R')U2 -Mike

It will be probably January 28th in Helsinki.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@y.. .> wrote: > > A DNF would have also meant no fifth solve attempt. Oh, ok, I guess either the rules were either changed again or I had misread them (latter is more likely :-). The particular rule is: "If during a round a competitor does not solve within the time limit, then his solve may (courtesy of main judge) be stopped and disqualified by the judge. The main judge decides whether the competitor can continue the round, f.i. if the time was exceeded because of a puzzle defect." I had read it like "If you're still solving at the time limit, the judge can stop you and eliminate you from the round". So I thought if you stop the timer *yourself* then the rest of the rule including the elimination wouldn't apply. So what you should do instead is pop or break the puzzle by dropping it on the floor. Oh well, I guess I'll just try to never get into the situation :-) Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > Also, Thom, I've completely switched to your 4 centers alg. I prefer > to do it like (M'UM'U')*3, though. 12 turns in under 1.7 seconds! > That's over 7 moves per second. If that's not reason enough to > believe in MU algs, I don't know what is. Wow... I had found this alg recently as well, I found out for Rubik's Domino (anyone else speedsolving that one?) I like to do M2 by pulling M'M' with left and right ring fingers. Then I tried it on the cube as well and included some U/U' pulling and the result was that alg. But it's terribly slow for me, how can you possible do it that fast??? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > how can you possible do it that fast??? > > Cheers! > Stefan I perform M' as rR' either direction of U turn to follow is very fast. Also, performing M' this way, you can perform M and M2 better. Averaging >4 moves/second is not entirely difficult when using only MU algs. With any practice, it becomes natural. -Mike

Hi, Currently I use these algs for COLL (btw I never use COLL for the S and As orientation): T: 1. R U2 R' U' R U' R2 U2 R U R' U R 2. R' U R2 D r' U2 r D' R2 U' R 3. (U') R B2 R F2 R' B2 R F2 R2 ==> (U') x' R U2 R D2 R' U2 R D2 R2 4. R' U R U2 R' L' U R U' L 5. R' F' R B' R' F R B ==> x R' U' R D' R' U R D 6. B' R' F R B R' F' R ==> x D' R' U R D R' U' R U: 1. R U' R'U x U' L U' L' U2 R' U R U' 2. R2 F2 R' B2 R F2 R' B2 R' ==> x' R2 D2 R' U2 R D2 R' U2 R' 3. R' U2 R F U' R' U' R d R' 4. R' U' R U' R' U2 R2 U R' U R U2 R' 5. R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R 6. L2 D L' U2 L D' L' U2 L' or (U2) R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R' L: 1. (U') R' U2 R' D' R U2 R' D R2 2. R U2 R D R' U2 R D' R2 3. (U2) R U R' U R U' R' U R U' R' U R U2 R' or (U) R' U' R U' R' U R U' R' U R U' R' U2 R 4. R' F R B' R' F' R B ==> x R' U R D' R' U' R D 5. (U') R B' R' F R B R' F' ==> (U') x' R U' R' D R U R' D' 6. R' U2 L U' L' U2 R L U' L' Pi: 1. R' U L U' R U' L' U' L U' L' 2. (U) F U R U' R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' F' 3. R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R 4. R' U R U2 L U' R' U L' R U2 R' U' R 5. (U') R' U2 R U R' U R2 U' L' U R' U' L 6. (U) R U2 R' U' R U' R2 U L U' R U L' H: 1. F R U R' U' R U R' U' R U R' U' F' 2. R U2 R' U' R U R' U' R U' R' or (U) R U R' U R U' R' U R U2 R' 3. R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L 4. (U) F R U' R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U' F' --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > A few weeks ago, I remember a few people bringing up several of their > worst COLL cases, and many people had similar trouble algs. > > Here is a new one I found tonight that's very fast despite being so > long. Try it. Set up the cube with the inverse. > > (L'U')(LU'L'U)*2 (LU'L'U')(RU')(LUR') > > 19 moves, but after only a little bit of practice, I'm already under > 2.5 seconds on average with it. I suppose everyone else will probably > want it in (mostly) RU, so here it is: > > (RU)(R'URU')*2 (R'URU)(L'U)(R'U'L) > > Also, try as I might, I still can't find a better alg for this case or > its mirror(inverse to scramble): > > (LU')(R'U)(LU'R)U'(RUR'URU2R') > > For that and the mirror, I average around 2.75, but I've never found a > better alg for it. Does anyone else use this? > > -Mike >

Without a doubt (funny... the phrase sounds familiar) that solve is the world record fastest solve. We cannot define lucky. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 16, 2006, at 1:09 AM, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Hmm ... > > Im not too sure about the rules, but i think that would count as an > official world record anyhow, even how lucky the solve is. This is > because the scramble is same for everyone at that competition. Had u > achieved that at home it's another matter :-) > > Cheers! > > -Per > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Leyan Lo > <leyanlo@g...> wrote: >> >> Hey guys, >> >> That 11.13 second solve I had had a PLL skip. No world record for > me in >> my eyes. Many thanks to Tyson for running the competition. >> >> Leyan "Macky is still my hero" Lo >> >> >> Craig Bouchard wrote: >>> ...My 2 cents... >>> >>> Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's >>> previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a > time of >>> 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an > American >>> has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" > <iwinoky@y...> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at > the >>>> Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. >>>> >>>> Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they > don't >>>> have internet right now. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > how can you possible do it that fast??? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > I perform M' as rR' either direction of U turn to follow is very fast. > Also, performing M' this way, you can perform M and M2 better. > Averaging >4 moves/second is not entirely difficult when using only MU > algs. With any practice, it becomes natural. > > -Mike Ahh.... hey, how about doing it this (fun!) way: r (R' U l') (L U' r') (R' U l') (L U' r') (R' U l') (L U') In order to prevent the M-slice from getting misaligned. I "lock" it with my left and right ring fingers alternately. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Ahh.... hey, how about doing it this (fun!) way: > r (R' U l') (L U' r') (R' U l') (L U' r') (R' U l') (L U') > > In order to prevent the M-slice from getting misaligned. I "lock" it > with my left and right ring fingers alternately. Oh damn, *once* I don't check with the applet (http://thearufam. brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet.asp) and of course I get it wrong. So here's a bugfix and improvement as well: ((R' U l') (L U' r))*3 Now that is fun :-) Cheers! Stefan

- "I think we have ESPN" brief pause... - "ESPN is a tv station" This is precious!!! On 1/15/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Brittany, and I don't know why. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > Btw, how come you are not in the Interview list ? (video link on the > > main page), there are only 14 people there. > > Why are you out ? > > (and who's the other ? (I'm not familiar with the names.) > > > > Gilles. > > > > 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...>: > >> The end of this episode is indeed special, but assuming that the > >> "rock/sing/danse show" was made after that dismissal, it could be very > >> easy to determine which couple was changed. > >> I'll take a brief look at that later. > >> Otherwise I must admit that it's a very funny show and that I laught > >> quite a lot. > >> Tyson will win :p > >> > >> Gilles. > >> > >> 2006/1/14, Tyson Mao <tmao@...>: > >>> It definitely takes many more years to do a lot of other things, such > >>> as chess, music, athletics, etc. The list is endless. Simply said, > >>> the new generation of cubers have reached their level of expertise > >>> in a > >>> very short period of time�less than 3 years. > >>> > >>> Though, I'm not really sure why the girls would care about number 1. > >>> There are many more important things that determine how you get on > >>> and > >>> succeed on the show, such as the way you give your interviews, your > >>> interactions between people in the house. > >>> > >>> I must say though, when I went there fore an interview, they were > >>> strictly looking for sub-2 minute blindfold cubers, and cubers > >>> inspired > >>> by little Japanese boys. > >>> > >>> Tyson Mao > >>> MSC #631 > >>> California Institute of Technology > >>> > >>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Ga�tan Guimond wrote: > >>> > >>>> Good Luck Tyson > >>>> > >>>> What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you > >>>> > >>>> -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a > >>>> magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . > >>>> > >>>> -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess > >>>> gamer. > >>>> > >>>> -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record > >>>> because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it > >>>> possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 > >>>> > >>>> He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired > >>>> to try it himself. > >>>> > >>>> "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," > >>>> he said. "I thought I'd try it. > >>>> > >>>> :=) > >>>> Ga�tan > >>>> > >>>> PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same > >>>> championship with my easy method 2x2x2. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first > >>>> interview > >>>>> (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt > >>>> tied > >>>>> around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another > >>>>> interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style > >>>> blindfold > >>>>> solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, > >>>> it's > >>>>> really bad and looks like I just plain suck. > >>>>> > >>>>> I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. > >>>> Yikes. > >>>>> Wish me luck! > >>>>> > >>>>> Tyson Mao > >>>>> MSC #631 > >>>>> California Institute of Technology > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not > >>>> how > >>>>>> they did it :p > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: > >>>>>>> And here is the scramble : > >>>>>>> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) > >>>>>>> ;-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Gilles. > >>>>>>> (I'll watch that tonight :p) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: > >>>>>>>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Koen Heltzel wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > >>>>>>>>> Cool show and competitors :D > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> - Koen > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > >>>>>>>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could > >>>> try to > >>>>>>>>>> download it with this torrent file: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ > >>>>>>>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- > >>>>>>>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It's very slow for me though. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> - Koen > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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And you're going to give us the scramble, don't you? Pedro Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: Without a doubt (funny... the phrase sounds familiar) that solve is the world record fastest solve. We cannot define lucky. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 16, 2006, at 1:09 AM, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Hmm ... > > Im not too sure about the rules, but i think that would count as an > official world record anyhow, even how lucky the solve is. This is > because the scramble is same for everyone at that competition. Had u > achieved that at home it's another matter :-) > > Cheers! > > -Per > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Leyan Lo > <leyanlo@g...> wrote: >> >> Hey guys, >> >> That 11.13 second solve I had had a PLL skip. No world record for > me in >> my eyes. Many thanks to Tyson for running the competition. >> >> Leyan "Macky is still my hero" Lo >> >> >> Craig Bouchard wrote: >>> ...My 2 cents... >>> >>> Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's >>> previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a > time of >>> 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an > American >>> has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" > <iwinoky@y...> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at > the >>>> Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. >>>> >>>> Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they > don't >>>> have internet right now. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

and what about M' E2 M E2? or something like that? Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Ahh.... hey, how about doing it this (fun!) way: > r (R' U l') (L U' r') (R' U l') (L U' r') (R' U l') (L U') > > In order to prevent the M-slice from getting misaligned. I "lock" it > with my left and right ring fingers alternately. Oh damn, *once* I don't check with the applet (http://thearufam. brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet.asp) and of course I get it wrong. So here's a bugfix and improvement as well: ((R' U l') (L U' r))*3 Now that is fun :-) Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Temporarily available here (for download): http://tinyurl.com/7kjgd --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Check out the video on the page. > > http://news.com.com/Record+falls+as+best+Rubiks+cubers+meet+in+S.F./ > 2100-1043_3-6027330.html?tag=nefd.lede > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology >

Hey, I just set a 1.18 on the magic, with a stackmat and all, but I wasn't doingit on a table or anything, I did it on the ground. I was wondering if this counts or not... I think it should because I followed all the other rules.

i think you can do it while skydiving and singing hallelujah when practicing, as long as you have some flat surface where the magic is at the beginning and end of the solve... --- rubikorkow <calcdude@...> wrote: > Hey, I just set a 1.18 on the magic, with a stackmat > and all, but I > wasn't doingit on a table or anything, I did it on > the ground. I was > wondering if this counts or not... I think it should > because I > followed all the other rules. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello everybody, I've been speed cubing for about two years. I've played with the cube for years and years, my dad was always into the cube, his interest in it was passed to me. Now, at age 17, I can solve the cube in 50 seconds using a layered method. I've studied the Fridrich method but have been bombed with school my senior year, and just went back my old method. I am going to try and learn the Fridrich Method again for the first two layers and some basic ZB method algs Do you have any suggestions?

i was doing an average on the clock... first 12 solves were: 9,61 9,81 9,27 9,69 10,36 10,83 10,14 10,41 9,83 10,16 8,39 7,83 (average 9,77 sec) I already asked Stefan some time ago what he thinks is lucky and not lucky when solving the clock. i agreed with him that skipping 1 or 2 out of 14 steps isn't lucky since it happens a lot. i don't know the exact probability, but i solved plenty to know it happens a lot :-) the 7,83 time had 2 steps skipped in the front cross and all other steps had to be done, but of course the corners at the back were extremely easy too. (twice 1, once 10 and once 11 o' clock or something, which goes very very fast) yet i'm not sure wether i should post it or not... but then again, if you make sure you solve like a gazillion, you are sure to get an easy case from time to time. so what do you guys think should be considered lucky for the clock? sander __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Pedro: M' E2 M E2 is the one I'm trying to get away from in the first place. Because multi-slice algs are more prone to lockups plus you have to regrip a bit, and since my (only) cube isn't great, I'd much prefer to use a different one. Gilles says it takes him 1 second (about) to execute M' E2 M E2. It takes me about 2.70 seconds to do that one :P. And with the other alg I discovered, I can execute it in 1.58 (fastest) and 1.60 (average). It also solves PLSE in a more 'pure' way (MU!). Stefan, your alg is fun, but I can't seem to get it to flow very well, it's probibly just me though. Regarding slice moves, I now execute the M' as a single move, (no r'R) usually with the ring finger of my left hand, and I do a ring-middle for an M2. I solve M differently as I optimised my solving M for each alg I use (yes, I actually went through every orientation and worked out different ways of doing finger tricks and algs. I can solve the two opposite edges flipped on top in 1.05 :) Mike, I'm very excited for the launch of your site :D > What are the things you would want to see included most on another > Roux site? Mostly alternative ways of going about something. I especially wanna see your LSE approach. Alternative algs! CMLL mostly with COLL recognition helpers :) Oh, and have the backwards verssions to setup the cases for easyer practise. Different stratergies (like turning it into a faux-CF and things) Mostly help with the F2B :S little tricks like to swap two edges or flip two - they're always fun. That's all for now, if it's not asking too much :P > How interested would you be in learning new algorithms to be able to > solve the cube in fewer moves with Roux? Not so much fewer moves, but faster sequences than I'm using now. I solve in about 57 moves, so I could drop 9 somewhere I'd like to find where I could get rid of them aswell as speeding up though. > How many new algs would you be willing to learn? As many as it takes to be faster :) The only limit is time really, not the amount of algs. Although 100 sounds a nice value to be going on with. (long algs, not things like M'UM - they don't count as hard to learn :P). > How would you like to see the cases shown (java applets, imagecube, U > face diagrams, etc.)? LSE would be hard to do with face diagrams. I think java is your best bet, but usually it crashes my browser to have more than one running on a page. I think it's best to do it similar to gilles (imagecube?) and show the alg, I mean you can work out what it does just from the alg, really. > Any other suggestions? Not really. It'd be nice to have a section on helpful tips and tricks. Such as, inverted and opposite block building. I like how I'm now able to start on one of four blocks, and then I'm even able to build the second upside-down. It's gotten to the point where they just all feel like the same block. Doing the corners after that is also easy, and I can always solve it in two or less moves, recognition time is almost zero, I have a handy little system I use to check. Oh! Recently I've been trying to combine OLSE and PLSE into the same step, I've done it a few times, it's like the optimisations gilles suggests, really. > Also, Thom, I've completely switched to your 4 centers alg. I prefer to do it like (M'UM'U')*3, though. 12 turns in under 1.7 seconds! 1.58, sub-1.5 is possible. Race you to it :P ~Thom :: Sorry about this post, my spelling has gone out the window since I left high school.

Funnest a word? I dont know I want to get a new puzzle, I have a few 3x3's, a pocket, and I'll have a Revenge and a Professor by my birthday in a month and change. But I was thinking of getting something else. Are those magic's fun? What about those pyramid ones or a clock? I don't know what to get. Help me out. Thanks

As of 2:48p.m. EST 1 000 269 visitors to speedcubing.com! Awesome! Happy cubing! Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > > and what about M' E2 M E2? or something like that? > > Pedro The fastest I can average with M'E2ME2 from any angle, any way I've tried it is still slower than I can do the 12 move alg I just tried a few times last night.

WOW! It's great to hear that. I hope all these people become cubers. Pedro cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: As of 2:48p.m. EST 1 000 269 visitors to speedcubing.com! Awesome! Happy cubing! Chris --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well the Megaminx seems like a logical choice (mefferts.com). But if you want a slightly different challenge, get yourself a Square-1 (also known as Cube-21). It's very challenging, and a nicely made puzzle as well (except the paper stickers, but Cubesmith sells replacements). Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > Funnest a word? I dont know > > I want to get a new puzzle, I have a few 3x3's, a pocket, and I'll > have a Revenge and a Professor by my birthday in a month and change. > But I was thinking of getting something else. Are those magic's fun? > What about those pyramid ones or a clock? I don't know what to get. > Help me out. Thanks >

Hmm...I don't use Roux, so you shouldn't take my advices...hehe Pedro Mike Bennett <mikebennett_one@...> escreveu: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > > and what about M' E2 M E2? or something like that? > > Pedro The fastest I can average with M'E2ME2 from any angle, any way I've tried it is still slower than I can do the 12 move alg I just tried a few times last night. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

how many people have been able to solve the square one without any help(including parity). I myself actually gave up on this one but it is now fun to do. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Well the Megaminx seems like a logical choice (mefferts.com). But > if you want a slightly different challenge, get yourself a Square-1 > (also known as Cube-21). It's very challenging, and a nicely made > puzzle as well (except the paper stickers, but Cubesmith sells > replacements). > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" > <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > > > Funnest a word? I dont know > > > > I want to get a new puzzle, I have a few 3x3's, a pocket, and I'll > > have a Revenge and a Professor by my birthday in a month and > change. > > But I was thinking of getting something else. Are those magic's > fun? > > What about those pyramid ones or a clock? I don't know what to get. > > Help me out. Thanks > > >

By chance did someone get video of the 11.13 solve from leyan lo?

I was wondering the same thing... Pedro randmthght <wombat@rookrocks.com> escreveu: By chance did someone get video of the 11.13 solve from leyan lo? SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I did. I bought it in 1991 but didn't solve it until 1993. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "randmthght" <wombat@r...> wrote: > > how many people have been able to solve the square one without any > help(including parity).

Ok, so the glue i initially bought has rubbed off. Anyone in the US had good luck in finding (preferably online) a place that sells a good glue for supercube stickers? Any help would be amazing! ~John~ P.S. Stefan, i've searched and searched for the glue that you use or something even just similar and haven't found anything. Yours seems to work the best and given that for all intensive purposes you are the inventor of the supercube you wouldn't happen to be able to help me would you?

Some one has it. We're busy now. We'll get it when we're not busy. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 16, 2006, at 1:02 PM, randmthght wrote: > By chance did someone get video of the 11.13 solve from leyan lo? > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Well, I was chatting with John Lusby and he had an idea for a new category...BLD while standing on one foot. Then I had the idea for another one: speedcubing while standing on one foot...man, it's crazy...it's harder than it looks...let's do that and send to speedcubing.com...it will be funny...hehe Pedro --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What are you saying? Why do you care? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > ...My 2 cents... > > Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's > previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a time of > 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an American > has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... > > Craig > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@y...> > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the >> Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. >> >> Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they don't >> have internet right now. >> >> Ian >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > I solve M differently as I optimised my solving M for each > alg I use (yes, I actually went through every orientation and worked > out different ways of doing finger tricks and algs. I can solve the > two opposite edges flipped on top in 1.05 :) Eventually, I would like to do this for all of my algs, especially for the L5E. There are only 16 or so, and nearly half of those are just mirrors, so it shouldn't be difficult. As for the two opposite edges, eventually, the method I'm developing will avoid those cases that aren't oriented or the 3 edges on top 100% of the time. > Mostly alternative ways of going about something. I especially wanna > see your LSE approach. > Alternative algs! CMLL mostly with COLL recognition helpers :) > Oh, and have the backwards verssions to setup the cases for easyer > practise. > Different stratergies (like turning it into a faux-CF and things) > Mostly help with the F2B :S little tricks like to swap two edges or > flip two - they're always fun. I will list all of the algs I use, and provide more than one alg for each case most of the time. My method involves COLL, so I will obviously post those algs. I can list inverses for setup, too. I got a solve yesterday where the D corners were all finished before the solve, so I used COLL to fix the others. I finished with a generic corners first solution (not very efficient and averages ~65 moves) for a 23.36. I think I may include a page about tricks like this when I finish. > Not so much fewer moves, but faster sequences than I'm using now. I > solve in about 57 moves, so I could drop 9 somewhere I'd like to find > where I could get rid of them aswell as speeding up though. We got the (M'UM'U')*3 alg to over 12 moves/second, and I'm sure we can optimize the L5E algs similarly. These will be lightning fast once mastered. > As many as it takes to be faster :) The only limit is time really, not > the amount of algs. Although 100 sounds a nice value to be going on > with. (long algs, not things like M'UM - they don't count as hard to > learn :P). The full system would use about 78 distinct cases, and about 60 mirrors. 138 total is not so bad, especially when 40 of those are COLL. Almost all of the rest are algs to insert a pair and orient edges, so they are much shorter than LL algs. > LSE would be hard to do with face diagrams. I think java is your best > bet, but usually it crashes my browser to have more than one running > on a page. I think it's best to do it similar to gilles (imagecube?) > and show the alg, I mean you can work out what it does just from the > alg, really. The COLL algs will wind up with a diagram as on Lars Vandenbergh's page. I think I will use imagecube images for almost every other case. > Not really. It'd be nice to have a section on helpful tips and tricks. > Such as, inverted and opposite block building. I like how I'm now able > to start on one of four blocks, and then I'm even able to build the > second upside-down. It's gotten to the point where they just all feel > like the same block. Doing the corners after that is also easy, and I > can always solve it in two or less moves, recognition time is almost > zero, I have a handy little system I use to check. I would be interested in learning about how you recognize mixed block corners quickly, as this has been difficult for me. That is definitely something I want to go on my site. Please email me so we can talk more about this. [mikebennett_one] AT [hotmail.com]. > ~Thom -Mike P.S. I'm still interested to hear what Jason and Gilles think.

> On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > now an American > has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... > > Craig An American had it before. His name was Chris Hardwick. -Mike

Yeah, my vote would go to the megaminx. What's not fun about a 12 sided Rubik's cube? I like it because it solves just like a 3x3 for the most part, but has its own little challenges. It isn't something you should need to look up a solution for. Plus it looks really cool. I like my dogic too, but it's not a puzzle I hear talked about very often. --Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Well the Megaminx seems like a logical choice (mefferts.com). But > if you want a slightly different challenge, get yourself a Square-1 > (also known as Cube-21). It's very challenging, and a nicely made > puzzle as well (except the paper stickers, but Cubesmith sells > replacements). > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thebunze" > <thebunze@g...> wrote: > > > > Funnest a word? I dont know > > > > I want to get a new puzzle, I have a few 3x3's, a pocket, and I'll > > have a Revenge and a Professor by my birthday in a month and > change. > > But I was thinking of getting something else. Are those magic's > fun? > > What about those pyramid ones or a clock? I don't know what to get. > > Help me out. Thanks > > >

I've figured out everything except the parity, but I haven't looked at a solution to the parity yet. I'm stubbornly determined to figure the parity out myself ;-p. Anthony Hsu ----- Original Message ----- From: randmthght To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Funnest Rubik's Puzzle? how many people have been able to solve the square one without any help(including parity). I myself actually gave up on this one but it is now fun to do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't see what's particularly offensive about Americans holding world records. I feel patriotism has little place in the Rubik's Cube community. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 16, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Mike Bennett wrote: >> On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: >> now an American >> has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... >> >> Craig > > An American had it before. His name was Chris Hardwick. > > -Mike > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

138 isn't bad. Shouldn't take more than a year. I've got more ideas and things but I'm simply too tired right now, I'll catch you tomorrow sometime. ~Thom stuff follows.... === Stay with me on this one, most of it is blaringly obvious === I solve with green on top and blue on bottom, yellow/white to the sides. This will be a little rushed because I'm... I have no excuse, this will be rushed. Basically, for CMLL/COLL with roux, you recognise the cases manually for each mix of normal/inverted corners, there are only six for each case (are they? I think I'm confused about the mix of normal/inverted for each one) and you don't need to learn the algs, just where to apply which ones. This is handy because you learn it subconciously while you're solving, I've learnt a couple of them this way and I don't even know a full CMLL :). A chart would probibly help aswell.... Usually, they're the same and most of the time you can guess which alg the facelets want, I think only a few times I've not been able to work it out or I've done the wrong alg. Then, my two-step. I suggest you use the two-step then progress to the one step gradually (very...) Lets see if I can remember.... |B|| ||B| | || || | |G|| ||G| if two corners are alright, place them towards you and adjacent swap :) both alright, continue. non alright, opposite swap. |B|| ||G| | || || | |G|| ||B| Always a swap to adjacent corners, little harder, still easy. What you do is 'search for the bruno'. Look for where the white and yellow colours form a bruno shape. This is a little weird. Position it so it's 'sitting' if you get what I mean. (stickers on UFL, UFR, ULB and URB). and do roux adjacent swap, (swap ULB and URB). and it'll be done. I was about to suggest that because solved produces bruno, we should look into other configurations to learn, because the white stickers produce other orientation patterns. probibly too much work. Besides, gilles has got the general idea under possible improvment on his site.

If you live in southern California, Leyan and I did interviews today for KCAL 9 about Saturday's tournament. They'll air it on channel 9 at 3 pm and on CBS 2 at 5 pm news. Can someone please record and make it available online? I also did an interview for a radio station in Canada. I'll upload it to my site when I get a copy. Thanks so much, Macky

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > I don't see what's particularly offensive about Americans holding world > records. I feel patriotism has little place in the Rubik's Cube > community. > I think I detect a bit of not-so-subtle USA/Canada rivalry (assuming the original poster was Canadian - I guess Central America is also part of North America) in which case it could be just like the English and the Scottish (or English and Welsh etc .) rivalries and so forth and not too serious. Probably it wasn't meant seriously. "grrrrrrrrrrrrr..." is obviously overdone. You're right, in my opinion, about patriotism having little (if any) place in the Rubik's Cube community. In fact, patriotism, by its very nature, excludes more people than it includes (no nation having 50%+ of the population). > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 16, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Mike Bennett wrote: > > >> On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > >> now an American > >> has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... > >> > >> Craig > > > > An American had it before. His name was Chris Hardwick. > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Do you really really want to do it this way? How about the ones you can get from www.cubesmith.com ? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Ok, so the glue i initially bought has rubbed off. Anyone in the US > had good luck in finding (preferably online) a place that sells a good > glue for supercube stickers? Any help would be amazing! > > ~John~ > > P.S. Stefan, i've searched and searched for the glue that you use or > something even just similar and haven't found anything. Yours seems to > work the best and given that for all intensive purposes you are the > inventor of the supercube you wouldn't happen to be able to help me > would you? >

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/16/213232 Awful article. " LinuxCowboy writes "CNN is reporting that a 20 year old Cal Tech student set a new record by solving a 3x3 rubrics cube in 11.13 seconds. In addition, he was blindfolded while doing it." From the article: "Still, the world record alone didn't gain Lo the overall champion's title at the event, which was determined by averaging three of five solution times in the final round. For that title, Lo went up against the teenager widely considered the fastest Rubik's Cube solver on the planet -- Shotaro "Macky" Makisumi, a 15-year-old from Pasadena." " Didn't even mention SCC.com, devastating. ~Thom

Never had this problem since I got my Gen 2...I think I may have done it once while doing Magic practice, bout it...why does everyone whine about this??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Yeah, the Generation 2 StackMat has that problem. Unfortunately, we > can't do anything about it if you reset the timer yourself. There's no > one really to blame for that. San Francisco is certainly much cooler > than Los Angeles in the winter. Gloves? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 15, 2006, at 7:35 PM, smgfreak_dk wrote: > > > I believe Jason Kovacic purposely DNFed a one-handed solve but > > couldn't continue. > > > > I had a ridiculous DNF on my first speed solve of final round. The new > > generation timer has the reset button near the sensor, and I > > accidentally hit it when stopping the timer. sigh. very bad > > competition for me.. I think sitting down helps me. shakey cold > > nervous fingers. > > > > congrats to everyone who did well =) > > > > Darren > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > >> > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@y.. > >> .> wrote: > >>> > >>> - 4x4x4 and 3x-onehanded were run with elimination times. If you > >>> finished a solve in more than 2:30, you didn't get any more solves. > >>> > >>> [This one killed me when I made a mistake at the end of my fourth > >> one- > >>> handed solve and had to essentially solve twice, ending up at 2:33. > >>> Ouch! No average for me :(] > >> > >> You should've just stopped the timer before the limit, no matter how > >> solved your cube is. That's a DNF then, which is much better than > >> disqualification. > >> > >> Was this maybe the reason why Macky DNFed at 4x4? > >> > >> Btw, why do the results say DNF for your fifth attempt? That means you > >> were allowed a fifth solve. > >> > >> Cheers! > >> Stefan > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Because Matt Walter (a Canadian) held the record b4...and (i hate to say it, and i'm really not 100% serious at all...) Canada is better than the states :p Nah, patriotism has nothing to do with it...I think Leyan rocks, and is crazy good...And hey, North America can unite against the world :p (j/k) Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > What are you saying? Why do you care? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > ...My 2 cents... > > > > Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's > > previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a time of > > 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an American > > has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@y...> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the > >> Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. > >> > >> Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they don't > >> have internet right now. > >> > >> Ian > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ok, well, maybe a bit better: If you are on a Ski Trip and you have a cube with you, and it is like...-20C then try taking a cube and cubing on the chairlift (my best was 26.44 s) and then try doing it while skiing at a decent speed...sooooo cold but soooo fun (33.70 best) I had fun and kept up with the ppl I was skiing with...so try it :) Craig > Well, I was chatting with John Lusby and he had an idea for a new category...BLD while standing on one foot. Then I had the idea for another one: > speedcubing while standing on one foot...man, it's crazy...it's harder than it looks...let's do that and send to speedcubing.com...it will be funny...hehe > > Pedro

If you want to wait a while for them to restock, www.rubiks.com provides some serious high quality pvc stickers that last for 350 million rubs or somehting. They won't come off and everything but right now they don't have any in stock. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Ok, so the glue i initially bought has rubbed off. Anyone in the US > had good luck in finding (preferably online) a place that sells a good > glue for supercube stickers? Any help would be amazing! > > ~John~ > > P.S. Stefan, i've searched and searched for the glue that you use or > something even just similar and haven't found anything. Yours seems to > work the best and given that for all intensive purposes you are the > inventor of the supercube you wouldn't happen to be able to help me > would you? >

what type of glue did you use already? super glue? Gilles, according to his website uses neoprene glue --- giraffeboy13 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Ok, so the glue i initially bought has rubbed off. > Anyone in the US > had good luck in finding (preferably online) a place > that sells a good > glue for supercube stickers? Any help would be > amazing! > > ~John~ > > P.S. Stefan, i've searched and searched for the glue > that you use or > something even just similar and haven't found > anything. Yours seems to > work the best and given that for all intensive > purposes you are the > inventor of the supercube you wouldn't happen to be > able to help me > would you? > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I've seen pictures of a cube that has different shaped studs sticking out of each face for someone who's blind, or someone who wants to solve it without using sight at all. Is this just a collectible? Is there anywhere I can actually buy one? Meffert's doesn't have anything like it. - Matt -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

For everyone else's safety please let us know when and where you are skiing from now on. On 1/16/06, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Ok, well, maybe a bit better: > > If you are on a Ski Trip and you have a cube with you, and it is > like...-20C then try taking a cube and cubing on the chairlift (my > best was 26.44 s) and then try doing it while skiing at a decent > speed...sooooo cold but soooo fun (33.70 best) I had fun and kept up > with the ppl I was skiing with...so try it :) > > Craig > > > > Well, I was chatting with John Lusby and he had an idea for a new > category...BLD while standing on one foot. Then I had the idea for > another one: > > speedcubing while standing on one foot...man, it's crazy...it's > harder than it looks...let's do that and send to speedcubing.com...it > will be funny...hehe > > > > Pedro > > > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It was at Calabogie Peaks, not a huge hill but fairly big..., don't worry I was watching ahead of me and skiing properly still... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Matt Moberly <mmoberly@g...> wrote: > > For everyone else's safety please let us know when and where you are skiing > from now on. > > On 1/16/06, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > Ok, well, maybe a bit better: > > > > If you are on a Ski Trip and you have a cube with you, and it is > > like...-20C then try taking a cube and cubing on the chairlift (my > > best was 26.44 s) and then try doing it while skiing at a decent > > speed...sooooo cold but soooo fun (33.70 best) I had fun and kept up > > with the ppl I was skiing with...so try it :) > > > > Craig > > > > > > > Well, I was chatting with John Lusby and he had an idea for a new > > category...BLD while standing on one foot. Then I had the idea for > > another one: > > > speedcubing while standing on one foot...man, it's crazy...it's > > harder than it looks...let's do that and send to speedcubing.com...it > > will be funny...hehe > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > > on the web. > > > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > http://procool.blogspot.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

The excuse of 'joking' will only bail you out of a finite number of situations. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 16, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > Because Matt Walter (a Canadian) held the record b4...and (i hate to > say it, and i'm really not 100% serious at all...) Canada is better > than the states :p Nah, patriotism has nothing to do with it...I think > Leyan rocks, and is crazy good...And hey, North America can unite > against the world :p (j/k) > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: >> >> What are you saying? Why do you care? >> >> Tyson Mao >> MSC #631 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: >> >>> ...My 2 cents... >>> >>> Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's >>> previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a time >>> of >>> 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an American >>> has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@y...> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the >>>> Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. >>>> >>>> Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they > don't >>>> have internet right now. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

hey i'm relatively new to the speed cubing stuff. i've been using the method described in the seven step solution guide, but i've only been able to get my speed down to about two minutes. i would like to know which method would help me increase my speed the most. thanks!

I used say the same thing as you....until it happened to me in competition. :( Remember, if it can go wrong, it will and at the worst possible time. --Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Never had this problem since I got my Gen 2...I think I may have done > it once while doing Magic practice, bout it...why does everyone whine > about this??? > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > > > Yeah, the Generation 2 StackMat has that problem. Unfortunately, we > > can't do anything about it if you reset the timer yourself. There's no > > one really to blame for that. San Francisco is certainly much cooler > > than Los Angeles in the winter. Gloves? > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > >

I haven't seen one but you could make it yourself.

a few samples, none are really up to par, but they're not horrible :P B'RB'R2U2B'RU2R'[x'y]UL2[y']R2UR' x' u'M2[y]LUr' U2RB'RBR2D2F R D' R F' d2 F R' F' U2 B2 L' B' D L' r F' D r' u2 r D' r' u2 L2 B' L' D L' slowly I'm going thru raw algs and trying to find something decent. If someone is interested in working with me on this case send me an email: richy_jr_2000@yahoo.com -Richard

I hope that someone in here can remember the puzzle type of game I'm trying to remember. It was after the Rubik's cube and then the Rubik's snake. It was a flat puzzle that was held together by what appeared to be fishing line Anyway you kept folding the sections this way and that until you solved the puzzle. I had two of these and really loved them and now both have broken line or whatever and theres no way to repair them. So does anyone know what this game was called and then does anyone know where I could find some? Bobby [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" For the 4 centers swap, I found (M'UM'U')*3 for that case awhile ago, but I didn't think that it had any potential. I defenitely think that its the worst PML. Try (U2D2)M' (U2D2)M' Why take 12 moves over 6? Jason Kovacic PS, I would like to see CLL algs and COLL algs. I have already started a table of Both, but don't know anything about webpages. <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > > > Finally! another site for roux solvers! > > > > I'm about 60% done with CMLL so once that's finished I'll be after > > something else, that's probibly it. I may even start it before I > > finish CMLL. > > > > It'd be good to have some system to help speed up the F2B :) but until > > then, I'll just have to think about it more :P > > > > ~Thom > > Thom, Jason, and all of you other Roux solvers: > > What are the things you would want to see included most on another > Roux site? > > How interested would you be in learning new algorithms to be able to > solve the cube in fewer moves with Roux? > > How many new algs would you be willing to learn? > How would you like to see the cases shown (java applets, imagecube, U > face diagrams, etc.)? > > Any other suggestions? > > Also, Thom, I've completely switched to your 4 centers alg. I prefer > to do it like (M'UM'U')*3, though. 12 turns in under 1.7 seconds! > That's over 7 moves per second. If that's not reason enough to > believe in MU algs, I don't know what is. > > -Mike >

Any fast S and Z perms? slow: (L' U R' U2 L U' R) x 2 U' and (R U' L U2 R' U L') x 2 U Darren

Hello Everyone I had a great time at the Competition this saturday. It was great to see people I have met before, and to meet some new people. I was happy to see the large number of competitors, as well as the large amount of media coverage. The venue was awsome as well. I wish I had had the time to check out all of the Exhibits. My best avg with ROUX so far: 24.97. I am currently a 25 sec cuber. My avg in 1st Round 24.67: (23.23, 22.92, 34.42, 23.51, 27.14) I was very happy with my performance in the 1st round. Since the 2nd round had been Axed for time constraints, I considered myself lucky to make the finals. I originally thought that I would only get 5 solves, which would have been fine (Hey I only got 3 in Orlando). I got really nervous in the Finals, and messed up my 1st and 2nd cubes BADLY. However,I managed a 21.63 for my 3rd solve, so I was happy with that. I think that Everyone in the Finals used Fridrich except myself and LArs Petrus. I was happy to represent the small ROUX crowd. Im excited about this Method, as I have just switched 8 weeks ago. Once I take the time to learn fast CLL Algs, sub 20 should be no problem. JASON KOVACIC

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/16/rubiks.ap/index.html There was even a direct link to a video on the front page.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bobby Roger Queen" <wiz00@p...> wrote: > a flat puzzle that was held together by what appeared to be fishing line It is Rubik's Magic. You can still buy them at rubiks.com, and they turn up regularly on eBay. > now both have broken line or > whatever and theres no way to repair them. You can usually buy strings at http://www.cubesmith.com/Parts.htm but he's currently out of stock. Replacing strings is quite a fiddly job, but there are helpful instructions at various places, e.g., http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/magic.htm Mike

Yeah, Leyan took it up the butt from reporters yesterday. Why did they all suddenly decide that they would hound us on Monday? Leyan's birthday isn't for awhile, but I'm buying him one of those metal things that dispenses paper numbers so we can just tell reporters to wait in line. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jan 17, 2006, at 2:07 AM, Gilles Roux wrote: > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/16/rubiks.ap/index.html > > There was even a direct link to a video on the front page. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

i have bought a rubik's cube but now the stickers is wearing of and i was wondering if it would be best to buy some new stickers or just buy a new better cube the on i has atm is a rubik's cube with POLYPROPYLENE STICKERS

Okay, I'll bite. What's an S-perm? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Any fast S and Z perms? > slow: (L' U R' U2 L U' R) x 2 U' > and (R U' L U2 R' U L') x 2 U > > Darren >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > Try (U2D2)M' (U2D2)M' > > Why take 12 moves over 6? Because I can do those 12 moves in under 1.7 on average. (1.52 best. Take that, Thom :P) > Jason Kovacic > > > PS, I would like to see CLL algs and COLL algs. I have already > started a table of Both, but don't know anything about webpages. I will have a COLL page for sure, but because I don't know more than a handful of CLL, I don't have enough for a page on it. If you would like to send me your algs, though, I would definitely post them. Preferably ones that flip edges. Also, do you use non-matching blocks? I'm having a load of difficulty making sense out of Thom's post about them. Am I missing something really easy? -Mike P.S. I've almost got the L5E/L6E page finished. Once that's done enough for starters, I'll post the link to my site.

LOL...I'm sure you aren't the first to question this...I don't know all my names, but I've never heard an S perm mentioned...I'm willing to bet its the mirror of the Z perm, basically if you are swapping Reb-Blue and Green-Orange for Z then you swap Red-Green and Blue-Orange for S??? maybe??? i dunno...I'll go with: If you like slicing: (M2' U) (M2' U) (M' U2) (M2' U2) (M' U2) Otherwise: x' (R U')(R' U)(D R' e)(R' U R)(D2' F) 2-gen: (R U R' U)(R' U')(R' U)(R U' R' U' R2)(U R U2) Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Okay, I'll bite. What's an S-perm? > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > Any fast S and Z perms? > > slow: (L' U R' U2 L U' R) x 2 U' > > and (R U' L U2 R' U L') x 2 U > > > > Darren > > >

Mmh, you're able to write algs, so why not read his ones? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > LOL...I'm sure you aren't the first to question this...I don't know > all my names, but I've never heard an S perm mentioned...I'm willing > to bet its the mirror of the Z perm, basically if you are swapping > Reb-Blue and Green-Orange for Z then you swap Red-Green and > Blue-Orange for S??? maybe??? i dunno...I'll go with: > > If you like slicing: > (M2' U) (M2' U) (M' U2) (M2' U2) (M' U2) > > Otherwise: > x' (R U')(R' U)(D R' e)(R' U R)(D2' F) > > 2-gen: > (R U R' U)(R' U')(R' U)(R U' R' U' R2)(U R U2) > > Craig > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > Okay, I'll bite. What's an S-perm? > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Any fast S and Z perms? > > > slow: (L' U R' U2 L U' R) x 2 U' > > > and (R U' L U2 R' U L') x 2 U > > > > > > Darren > > > > > >

Hmm...maybe because his ones are N perms? Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: Mmh, you're able to write algs, so why not read his ones? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > LOL...I'm sure you aren't the first to question this...I don't know > all my names, but I've never heard an S perm mentioned...I'm willing > to bet its the mirror of the Z perm, basically if you are swapping > Reb-Blue and Green-Orange for Z then you swap Red-Green and > Blue-Orange for S??? maybe??? i dunno...I'll go with: > > If you like slicing: > (M2' U) (M2' U) (M' U2) (M2' U2) (M' U2) > > Otherwise: > x' (R U')(R' U)(D R' e)(R' U R)(D2' F) > > 2-gen: > (R U R' U)(R' U')(R' U)(R U' R' U' R2)(U R U2) > > Craig > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > Okay, I'll bite. What's an S-perm? > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Any fast S and Z perms? > > > slow: (L' U R' U2 L U' R) x 2 U' > > > and (R U' L U2 R' U L') x 2 U > > > > > > Darren > > > > > > --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I didn't understand, what did she meant ? Gilles. 2006/1/16, Marco Garbelini <garbelini@gmail.com>: > - "I think we have ESPN" > brief pause... > - "ESPN is a tv station" > > This is precious!!! > > > On 1/15/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@its.caltech.edu> wrote: > > > > Brittany, and I don't know why. > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > > > Btw, how come you are not in the Interview list ? (video link on the > > > main page), there are only 14 people there. > > > Why are you out ? > > > (and who's the other ? (I'm not familiar with the names.) > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@gmail.com>: > > >> The end of this episode is indeed special, but assuming that the > > >> "rock/sing/danse show" was made after that dismissal, it could be very > > >> easy to determine which couple was changed. > > >> I'll take a brief look at that later. > > >> Otherwise I must admit that it's a very funny show and that I laught > > >> quite a lot. > > >> Tyson will win :p > > >> > > >> Gilles. > > >> > > >> 2006/1/14, Tyson Mao <tmao@its.caltech.edu>: > > >>> It definitely takes many more years to do a lot of other things, such > > >>> as chess, music, athletics, etc. The list is endless. Simply said, > > >>> the new generation of cubers have reached their level of expertise > > >>> in a > > >>> very short period of time—less than 3 years. > > >>> > > >>> Though, I'm not really sure why the girls would care about number 1. > > >>> There are many more important things that determine how you get on > > >>> and > > >>> succeed on the show, such as the way you give your interviews, your > > >>> interactions between people in the house. > > >>> > > >>> I must say though, when I went there fore an interview, they were > > >>> strictly looking for sub-2 minute blindfold cubers, and cubers > > >>> inspired > > >>> by little Japanese boys. > > >>> > > >>> Tyson Mao > > >>> MSC #631 > > >>> California Institute of Technology > > >>> > > >>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Gaétan Guimond wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Good Luck Tyson > > >>>> > > >>>> What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you > > >>>> > > >>>> -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by a > > >>>> magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . > > >>>> > > >>>> -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess > > >>>> gamer. > > >>>> > > >>>> -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record > > >>>> because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make it > > >>>> possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. > > >>>> > > >>>> http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 > > >>>> > > >>>> He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was inspired > > >>>> to try it himself. > > >>>> > > >>>> "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or something," > > >>>> he said. "I thought I'd try it. > > >>>> > > >>>> :=) > > >>>> Gaétan > > >>>> > > >>>> PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the same > > >>>> championship with my easy method 2x2x2. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first > > >>>> interview > > >>>>> (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt > > >>>> tied > > >>>>> around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another > > >>>>> interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style > > >>>> blindfold > > >>>>> solve. By "performance," I mean that if I screw up and fail, > > >>>> it's > > >>>>> really bad and looks like I just plain suck. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I might have to do one this Monday for a press conference. > > >>>> Yikes. > > >>>>> Wish me luck! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Tyson Mao > > >>>>> MSC #631 > > >>>>> California Institute of Technology > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> NOTE : this is a computer generated scramble, it's probably not > > >>>> how > > >>>>>> they did it :p > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...>: > > >>>>>>> And here is the scramble : > > >>>>>>> D' L2 B2 U2 L2 U L2 B2 U L' U' F' L U' F' R' F2 U' B U' (20f) > > >>>>>>> ;-) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Gilles. > > >>>>>>> (I'll watch that tonight :p) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 2006/1/13, Leyan Lo <leyanlo@g...>: > > >>>>>>>> http://www.its.caltech.edu/~leyanlo/batg.html > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Koen Heltzel wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Ok, that torrent went quicker than I thought with 150kb/s. > > >>>>>>>>> Cool show and competitors :D > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> - Koen > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" > > >>>>>>>>> <allyourbase@h...> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> If you can't wait for Chris to upload his version you could > > >>>> try to > > >>>>>>>>>> download it with this torrent file: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.baseplace.nl/files/ > > >>>>>>>>> Beauty%20And%20The%20Geek%20S02E01%20PDTV%20XviD- > > >>>>>>>>> XOR%20%5beztv%5d.torrent > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> It's very slow for me though. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> - Koen > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Congratulations Sander, it looks like we're gonna have a high record in Belgium :-) About the Lucky cases, it's hard to tell because with Stefan's Method : you have 2 kind of lucky cases : - the one you like (skipping steps) - the ones you don't like (cases that makes you change the method) So if the "luck" you have is of the second type, i'd say "non-lucky" (because you actually don't use them), but of course if you skip 5 steps...that's kind of lucky... Gilles. 2006/1/16, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@...m>: > i was doing an average on the clock... > first 12 solves were: > > 9,61 9,81 9,27 9,69 10,36 10,83 10,14 10,41 9,83 10,16 > 8,39 7,83 > (average 9,77 sec) > > I already asked Stefan some time ago what he thinks is > lucky and not lucky when solving the clock. i agreed > with him that skipping 1 or 2 out of 14 steps isn't > lucky since it happens a lot. i don't know the exact > probability, but i solved plenty to know it happens a > lot :-) > the 7,83 time had 2 steps skipped in the front cross > and all other steps had to be done, but of course the > corners at the back were extremely easy too. (twice 1, > once 10 and once 11 o' clock or something, which goes > very very fast) > yet i'm not sure wether i should post it or not... but > then again, if you make sure you solve like a > gazillion, you are sure to get an easy case from time > to time. > so what do you guys think should be considered lucky > for the clock? > > sander > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

The probabilties for Clock skips: 0 0.29577 1.00000 1 0.37644 0.70423 2 0.22244 0.32779 3 0.08089 0.10534 4 0.02022 0.02446 5 0.00368 0.00423 6 0.00050 0.00056 7 0.00005 0.00006 8 0.00000 0.00000 9 0.00000 0.00000 10 0.00000 0.00000 11 0.00000 0.00000 12 0.00000 0.00000 13 0.00000 0.00000 14 0.00000 0.00000 - number S of skips - probability for S skips - probability for S or more skips With SCC's cutoff at 20%, it looks like 2 skips are ok and 3 are not. Actually since I know how I scramble and how I solve, I could let me scramble generator remove those scrambles that will give me a lucky solve. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > i was doing an average on the clock... > first 12 solves were: > > 9,61 9,81 9,27 9,69 10,36 10,83 10,14 10,41 9,83 10,16 > 8,39 7,83 > (average 9,77 sec) > > I already asked Stefan some time ago what he thinks is > lucky and not lucky when solving the clock. i agreed > with him that skipping 1 or 2 out of 14 steps isn't > lucky since it happens a lot. i don't know the exact > probability, but i solved plenty to know it happens a > lot :-) > the 7,83 time had 2 steps skipped in the front cross > and all other steps had to be done, but of course the > corners at the back were extremely easy too. (twice 1, > once 10 and once 11 o' clock or something, which goes > very very fast) > yet i'm not sure wether i should post it or not... but > then again, if you make sure you solve like a > gazillion, you are sure to get an easy case from time > to time. > so what do you guys think should be considered lucky > for the clock? > > sander > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Didn't have a cube with me... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Mmh, you're able to write algs, so why not read his ones? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > LOL...I'm sure you aren't the first to question this...I don't know > > all my names, but I've never heard an S perm mentioned...I'm willing > > to bet its the mirror of the Z perm, basically if you are swapping > > Reb-Blue and Green-Orange for Z then you swap Red-Green and > > Blue-Orange for S??? maybe??? i dunno...I'll go with: > > > > If you like slicing: > > (M2' U) (M2' U) (M' U2) (M2' U2) (M' U2) > > > > Otherwise: > > x' (R U')(R' U)(D R' e)(R' U R)(D2' F) > > > > 2-gen: > > (R U R' U)(R' U')(R' U)(R U' R' U' R2)(U R U2) > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, I'll bite. What's an S-perm? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Any fast S and Z perms? > > > > slow: (L' U R' U2 L U' R) x 2 U' > > > > and (R U' L U2 R' U L') x 2 U > > > > > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > >

Interesting, would it be possible to define something like that for the cube ? in order to avoid scrambles that give you for example more than 2 pairs of pieces attached together ? But then we have a problem because there are different methods. So what's lucky for someone might not be the same for another person. But is a "measure of luck" possible to define for the cube or not ? Gilles. 2006/1/17, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > The probabilties for Clock skips: > > 0 0.29577 1.00000 > 1 0.37644 0.70423 > 2 0.22244 0.32779 > 3 0.08089 0.10534 > 4 0.02022 0.02446 > 5 0.00368 0.00423 > 6 0.00050 0.00056 > 7 0.00005 0.00006 > 8 0.00000 0.00000 > 9 0.00000 0.00000 > 10 0.00000 0.00000 > 11 0.00000 0.00000 > 12 0.00000 0.00000 > 13 0.00000 0.00000 > 14 0.00000 0.00000 > > - number S of skips > - probability for S skips > - probability for S or more skips > > With SCC's cutoff at 20%, it looks like 2 skips are ok and 3 are not. > Actually since I know how I scramble and how I solve, I could let me > scramble generator remove those scrambles that will give me a lucky > solve. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sander hendrickx > <sanderhendrickx@y...> wrote: > > > > i was doing an average on the clock... > > first 12 solves were: > > > > 9,61 9,81 9,27 9,69 10,36 10,83 10,14 10,41 9,83 10,16 > > 8,39 7,83 > > (average 9,77 sec) > > > > I already asked Stefan some time ago what he thinks is > > lucky and not lucky when solving the clock. i agreed > > with him that skipping 1 or 2 out of 14 steps isn't > > lucky since it happens a lot. i don't know the exact > > probability, but i solved plenty to know it happens a > > lot :-) > > the 7,83 time had 2 steps skipped in the front cross > > and all other steps had to be done, but of course the > > corners at the back were extremely easy too. (twice 1, > > once 10 and once 11 o' clock or something, which goes > > very very fast) > > yet i'm not sure wether i should post it or not... but > > then again, if you make sure you solve like a > > gazillion, you are sure to get an easy case from time > > to time. > > so what do you guys think should be considered lucky > > for the clock? > > > > sander > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

> Try (U2D2)M' (U2D2)M' > > Why take 12 moves over 6? > > Jason Kovacic Because you can fingertrick every single one of those 12, and those six are awful. They're basically multislice moves by turning the actual cube at the same time. You can even solve this state in 3 moves, but you wouldn't want to, as I and mike can solve the 12 moves faster than those three in any case. Also, I've said this about three times now. It's purer. ~Thom

I am about 700+ messages behind, I think, so it may be a while before I catch up. Argh, I hate long periods without internet. :( ~ Bob

I can probably go if it's on a Sunday. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, metgorubiks <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I was wonder how many of you would be interested in going to a Midwest > competition in Missouri. I want to get a midwest competition > organized, but first I want to know how many people we can get first. >

She ment E.S.P. (Extra-Sensory Perception). :-P On 1/17/06, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > I didn't understand, what did she meant ? > Gilles. > 2006/1/16, Marco Garbelini <garbelini@...>: > > - "I think we have ESPN" > > brief pause... > > - "ESPN is a tv station" > > > > This is precious!!! > > > > > > On 1/15/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...tech.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Brittany, and I don't know why. > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > MSC #631 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > > > > > Btw, how come you are not in the Interview list ? (video link on the > > > > main page), there are only 14 people there. > > > > Why are you out ? > > > > (and who's the other ? (I'm not familiar with the names.) > > > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > 2006/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...>: > > > >> The end of this episode is indeed special, but assuming that the > > > >> "rock/sing/danse show" was made after that dismissal, it could be > very > > > >> easy to determine which couple was changed. > > > >> I'll take a brief look at that later. > > > >> Otherwise I must admit that it's a very funny show and that I > laught > > > >> quite a lot. > > > >> Tyson will win :p > > > >> > > > >> Gilles. > > > >> > > > >> 2006/1/14, Tyson Mao <tmao@...>: > > > >>> It definitely takes many more years to do a lot of other things, > such > > > >>> as chess, music, athletics, etc. The list is endless. Simply > said, > > > >>> the new generation of cubers have reached their level of expertise > > > >>> in a > > > >>> very short period of time�less than 3 years. > > > >>> > > > >>> Though, I'm not really sure why the girls would care about number > 1. > > > >>> There are many more important things that determine how you get on > > > >>> and > > > >>> succeed on the show, such as the way you give your interviews, > your > > > >>> interactions between people in the house. > > > >>> > > > >>> I must say though, when I went there fore an interview, they were > > > >>> strictly looking for sub-2 minute blindfold cubers, and cubers > > > >>> inspired > > > >>> by little Japanese boys. > > > >>> > > > >>> Tyson Mao > > > >>> MSC #631 > > > >>> California Institute of Technology > > > >>> > > > >>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Ga�tan Guimond wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Good Luck Tyson > > > >>>> > > > >>>> What the girls should'nt know on BATG for you > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -1-That the champion of the world blindfold 2003 was inspired by > a > > > >>>> magician-cuber no delared (1993-2003) . > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -2-That it takes much more years to become an excellent chess > > > >>>> gamer. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -3- To have the chance to have an official blindfold record > > > >>>> because the cube is not really popular. The opposite could make > it > > > >>>> possible to an exceptionally gifted child to better. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=1499 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> He once saw a man doing the puzzle behind his back and was > inspired > > > >>>> to try it himself. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> "I thought this guy has to have extraordinary vision or > something," > > > >>>> he said. "I thought I'd try it. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> :=) > > > >>>> Ga�tan > > > >>>> > > > >>>> PS:Congradulation for Gunnar and Gustav, 2 world record in the > same > > > >>>> championship with my easy method 2x2x2. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i > ...> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Wow, thanks a lot for figuring out this stuff. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Yeah, let's see... so I did a blindfold solve for my first > > > >>>> interview > > > >>>>> (15 people all crammed in the room watching with a black t-shirt > > > >>>> tied > > > >>>>> around my head), a blindfold solve for Ashton Kutcher in another > > > >>>>> interview, and then that one was my third "performance" style > > > >>>> blindfold > > > >>>>> solve. 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Good job, expecially with a little used method. I want to learn Roux one day but I'm trying Petrus for now. Clancy Cochran used the petrus method there. And I think a there girl used it too.

If you haven't yet tried modifying your cube, a can of silicon spray is cheap. Take it apart, lube it up, and see if you like it. The nice part about cubing is all the parts are really cheap. If it turns out your cube sucks as a speedcube, you can just go get another one and keep this one as a spare. Then you'll have more than one Rubik's cube, which gets you big points on the geek test. On 1/17/06, thebunze <thebunze@...> wrote: > > If your cube is a good speedcube get new stickers. > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw> Free > puzzle inlay games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> Educational > game and puzzle<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ> Word > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> Kid > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> Puzzle > games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No, the Z-perm needs no mirror (just rotate the cube 90 degrees). Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > LOL...I'm sure you aren't the first to question this...I don't know > all my names, but I've never heard an S perm mentioned...I'm willing > to bet its the mirror of the Z perm, basically if you are swapping

Those are actually both N-perms (one is the mirror). There is no S- perm if you are using the Fridrich diagrams. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Any fast S and Z perms? > slow: (L' U R' U2 L U' R) x 2 U' > and (R U' L U2 R' U L') x 2 U > > Darren >

That's no excuse :-) --> http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet.asp Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > Didn't have a cube with me... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > > Mmh, you're able to write algs, so why not read his ones? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@h...> wrote: > > > > > > LOL...I'm sure you aren't the first to question this...I don't > know > > > all my names, but I've never heard an S perm mentioned...I'm > willing > > > to bet its the mirror of the Z perm, basically if you are swapping > > > Reb-Blue and Green-Orange for Z then you swap Red-Green and > > > Blue-Orange for S??? maybe??? i dunno...I'll go with: > > > > > > If you like slicing: > > > (M2' U) (M2' U) (M' U2) (M2' U2) (M' U2) > > > > > > Otherwise: > > > x' (R U')(R' U)(D R' e)(R' U R)(D2' F) > > > > > > 2-gen: > > > (R U R' U)(R' U')(R' U)(R U' R' U' R2)(U R U2) > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, I'll bite. What's an S-perm? > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Any fast S and Z perms? > > > > > slow: (L' U R' U2 L U' R) x 2 U' > > > > > and (R U' L U2 R' U L') x 2 U > > > > > > > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > > Try (U2D2)M' (U2D2)M' > > > > Why take 12 moves over 6? > > > > Jason Kovacic > > Because you can fingertrick every single one of those 12, and those > six are awful. They're basically multislice moves by turning the > actual cube at the same time. > > You can even solve this state in 3 moves How? Cheers! Stefan

Thanks for the article post, Gilles. For the clip collectors, here is a temporary download link: http://tinyurl.com/9vg9a So who is the guy they show at the beginning? I recognize Macky and Leyan, and I know that guy was a judge at WC05. But I have not put a name to the face yet. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@f...> wrote: > > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/16/rubiks.ap/index.html > > There was even a direct link to a video on the front page. >

Thanks, Chris...I can't watch the video... but...there are 2 videos, no? I went to the site twice, and showed 2 videos...or are they the same, with just a different description? Pedro christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Thanks for the article post, Gilles. For the clip collectors, here is a temporary download link: http://tinyurl.com/9vg9a So who is the guy they show at the beginning? I recognize Macky and Leyan, and I know that guy was a judge at WC05. But I have not put a name to the face yet. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@f...> wrote: > > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/16/rubiks.ap/index.html > > There was even a direct link to a video on the front page. > --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nice Roux Scramble : L2 R2 D B D2 B2 D' L2 R2 F' U F2 U2 (13f*) Roux Solvers might like it ;-) Gilles. 2006/1/17, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@gmx.de>: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > > > > Try (U2D2)M' (U2D2)M' > > > > > > Why take 12 moves over 6? > > > > > > Jason Kovacic > > > > Because you can fingertrick every single one of those 12, and those > > six are awful. They're basically multislice moves by turning the > > actual cube at the same time. > > > > You can even solve this state in 3 moves > > How? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > > > > Try (U2D2)M' (U2D2)M' > > > > > > Why take 12 moves over 6? > > > > > > Jason Kovacic > > > > Because you can fingertrick every single one of those 12, and those > > six are awful. They're basically multislice moves by turning the > > actual cube at the same time. > > > > You can even solve this state in 3 moves > > How? > > Cheers! > Stefan > E2 M E2

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikebennett_one@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@y...> wrote: > > > > Try (U2D2)M' (U2D2)M' > > > > Why take 12 moves over 6? > > Because I can do those 12 moves in under 1.7 on average. (1.52 best. > Take that, Thom :P) > Gilles does E2 M E2 in a second and I just did (U2 M2 U2 M')*2 in 1.07 seconds. I just don't get it why you prefer that longer and slower alg... - Johannes

3.38, but lucky because the second block was solved after the first one. then again, I did plan for it... :P ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@g...> wrote: > > Nice Roux Scramble : > > L2 R2 D B D2 B2 D' L2 R2 F' U F2 U2 (13f*) > Roux Solvers might like it ;-) > > Gilles. > > > 2006/1/17, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@g...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Try (U2D2)M' (U2D2)M' > > > > > > > > Why take 12 moves over 6? > > > > > > > > Jason Kovacic > > > > > > Because you can fingertrick every single one of those 12, and those > > > six are awful. They're basically multislice moves by turning the > > > actual cube at the same time. > > > > > > You can even solve this state in 3 moves > > > > How? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Gilles does E2 M E2 in a second and I just did (U2 M2 U2 M')*2 in 1.07 > seconds. I just don't get it why you prefer that longer and slower alg... I use it because it's faster for me, personally. I'm not forcing you to use it, use whichever you prefer. Gawd... > Also, do you use non-matching blocks? I'm having a load of difficulty > making sense out of Thom's post about them. Am I missing something > really easy? Yeah, I didn't really explain it well at all, but I don't know how to explain it better... The main method I use solves them in two steps. Because I use the block upside down when I create non-mathing blocks, I see the green and blue as one colour and fix the orientation of them, that bit is really not that hard. Then the permutation you look for the arrangement of the green/blue corners pieces, and act accordingly looking at my post. I'll get some U graphs up to explain what I mean, is there an easy way of generating them or do I have to GIMP it up? Someone should make U-face pics imagecube-style. TODO: Explain non-mathing blocks better. ;) ~Thom

Still looks like the same clip as earlier. There was another clip yesterday from CNET, featuring footage of the Exploratorium. The shorter CNN clip shows Macky, Leyan and ????? in a suburban environment doing 3x3x3 and 4x4x4 moves. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > > Thanks, Chris...I can't watch the video... > > but...there are 2 videos, no? I went to the site twice, and showed 2 videos...or are they the same, with just a different description? > > Pedro

Hmm...maybe was just an impression I had...but thanks by the video anyway Pedro christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Still looks like the same clip as earlier. There was another clip yesterday from CNET, featuring footage of the Exploratorium. The shorter CNN clip shows Macky, Leyan and ????? in a suburban environment doing 3x3x3 and 4x4x4 moves. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@y...> wrote: > > Thanks, Chris...I can't watch the video... > > but...there are 2 videos, no? I went to the site twice, and showed 2 videos...or are they the same, with just a different description? > > Pedro SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

my problem is that i live in denmark and if i want to buy anything at rubiks.com it will cost me allmost 20$ in shipping and i havn't found anywhere where they sell it in denmark :-S

I sell viynl stickers to revive your cubes. I also have cheap shipping. Chris www.cubesmith.com --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jarcaube <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > i have bought a rubik's cube but now the stickers is wearing of and i was wondering if it would be best to buy some new stickers or just buy a new better cube the on i has atm is a rubik's cube with POLYPROPYLENE STICKERS >

Hey people, let's do it...I just made a 19.56 average standing on one foot. My best non-lucky time was 16.84...it's not so hard as I tought, but it's pretty cool. Pedro --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cubesmith.com sells replacement stickers with worldwide shipping on orders over $10 USD. For the actual cube itself, did you try Winning- Moves.com? Also places like amazon.com sell cubes. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jarcaube <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > my problem is that i live in denmark and if i want to buy anything at > rubiks.com it will cost me allmost 20$ in shipping and i havn't found > anywhere where they sell it in denmark :-S >

Hi, I have just uploaded a cube emulator that I have developed for Java enabled mobile devices (phones, PDAs etc). I started off trying to sell it but now I am giving it away free, so feel free to use it and pass it on to anyone you think might want it. The program works fine on my Sony Ericsson K750 and I know it also works on the K700 and T630. It should in theory run on any Java enabled colour device with at least 128 * 128 pixels, although it might not be as fast on older devices. I can usually solve this in about 2 or 3 minutes and on a real cube I take about 30 seconds. I think it would be possible to get sub-minute with the emulator. The file I have uploaded is 'Morrix Cube ZIP File'. It contains four files: MorrixCube.jar The jar file containing the program. MorrixCube.jad A descriptor file (usually not needed). Morrix Cube Demo.gif An animated gif showing how the emulator looks. readme.txt Information about the program. Extract these files to your PC and read the readme.txt file for instructions on how to install the emulator. Good luck with it and let me know how it goes. Party on, Jim

fyi, Leyan's new WR also was mentioned in Jay Leno's monologue last night [late night talk show here in the US]. anyone else catch that? Congrats again to Leyan on his awesome time! the joke is mentioned on Leno's website and went something like: A twenty-year-old student at Caltech set a new world's record when he solved the Rubik's Cube in eleven seconds -- eleven seconds! -- which would be pretty impressive if this was 1983. (He also made some crack about not being able to get his out of the box in 11 seconds; and how he had to take his apart in order to solve it again) I went to the site to see if I could get the clip, but it's not up... --Kirk --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > Yeah, Leyan took it up the butt from reporters yesterday. Why did they > all suddenly decide that they would hound us on Monday? Leyan's > birthday isn't for awhile, but I'm buying him one of those metal things > that dispenses paper numbers so we can just tell reporters to wait in > line. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jan 17, 2006, at 2:07 AM, Gilles Roux wrote: > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/16/rubiks.ap/index.html > > > > There was even a direct link to a video on the front page. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

You can buy here from Denmark http://www.gamesweb.dk/ Or, if you live near Sweden you could take the train/boat and visit http://www.teknikmagasinet.se/ and buy over the counter. Or try these two (also from Sweden) http://www.alega.se/Einstein/Rubiks_kub/rubiks_kub.html http://www.dino.se/ // Dennis www.cubeloop.com ------------- my problem is that i live in denmark and if i want to buy anything at rubiks.com it will cost me allmost 20$ in shipping and i havn't found anywhere where they sell it in denmark :-S

How many cubes do you guys own? I own two 3x3x3 cubes, both the 25th anniversary kind. (actually technically one is my brothers, but he left for London for the next few months and didn't bring it with him -_-) I also wonder about buying replacement stickers etc... after less than a month of "serious cubing", i've already worn down my cube a significantly. I was thinking about buying new stickers online, but then I heard you guys talking about rubik's cube tiles to add instead of stickers? What kind of accessories do you guys have/recommend? Are there other kinds of rubik's cubes I can buy? Higher quality ones maybe? Thanks David --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > The excuse of 'joking' will only bail you out of a finite number of > situations. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology Out of curiosity does that mean you're saying he's lying. That's what it sounds like, but I could be wrong. > > On Jan 16, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > Because Matt Walter (a Canadian) held the record b4...and (i hate to > > say it, and i'm really not 100% serious at all...) Canada is better > > than the states :p Nah, patriotism has nothing to do with it...I think > > Leyan rocks, and is crazy good...And hey, North America can unite > > against the world :p (j/k) > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > > wrote: > >> > >> What are you saying? Why do you care? > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> MSC #631 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > >> > >>> ...My 2 cents... > >>> > >>> Betting it was lucky :p sorry Leyan if it wasn't...but...Leyan's > >>> previous best was set a few days ago using Tyson's cube with a time > >>> of > >>> 11.97...so he either got a new PB, or it was lucky...now an American > >>> has the North American record...grrrrrrrrrrrrr... > >>> > >>> Craig > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@y...> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> The official 3x3x3 single solve world record was broken today at the > >>>> Caltech Winter Competition. Leyan Lo set a time of 11.13 seconds. > >>>> > >>>> Tyson left a message on my phone and asked me to post since they > > don't > >>>> have internet right now. > >>>> > >>>> Ian > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Wow, thats amazing! I wish i was there to see it!! 11.13 sec BLD? WOW Leyan. Gotta give you props on that! :P Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/16/213232 > > Awful article. > > " LinuxCowboy writes "CNN is reporting that a 20 year old Cal Tech > student set a new record by solving a 3x3 rubrics cube in 11.13 > seconds. In addition, he was blindfolded while doing it." From the > article: "Still, the world record alone didn't gain Lo the overall > champion's title at the event, which was determined by averaging three > of five solution times in the final round. For that title, Lo went up > against the teenager widely considered the fastest Rubik's Cube solver > on the planet -- Shotaro "Macky" Makisumi, a 15-year-old from > Pasadena." " > > Didn't even mention SCC.com, devastating. > > ~Thom >

And that's how you can tell: http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/foo/scc_slashdotted.png http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=1&id=632975 Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@g...> wrote: > > http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/16/213232 > > Awful article. > > " LinuxCowboy writes "CNN is reporting that a 20 year old Cal Tech > student set a new record by solving a 3x3 rubrics cube in 11.13 > seconds. In addition, he was blindfolded while doing it." From the > article: "Still, the world record alone didn't gain Lo the overall > champion's title at the event, which was determined by averaging three > of five solution times in the final round. For that title, Lo went up > against the teenager widely considered the fastest Rubik's Cube solver > on the planet -- Shotaro "Macky" Makisumi, a 15-year-old from > Pasadena." " > > Didn't even mention SCC.com, devastating. > > ~Thom >

I did F2l In 5 moves and I'm sure everyone else did. LL took me 15 moves becuase I know so few algs. It was a good scramble for petrus too, the LL edges were oriented for me and I only had to use one Sune to orient the corners, then do a Niklas.

Actually F2L took me 4 moves and the whole solve took me 19 moves. Was there a shorter way?

well i have 3 3x3x3, one from 1980 and 2 25th annaversary ones. 2 4x4x4, one eastsheen and one rubiks. 2 5x5x5 also one of each. i also have a 1982 4x4x4 and a rubik studio 3x3x3 on the way. as far as getting better cubes everyone i have talked to has recommended the rubik studio but if you dont want to pay about 50 bucks on ebay then i recommend a rubik's DIY kit cube and for stickers or tiles check out www.cubesmith.com David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: How many cubes do you guys own? I own two 3x3x3 cubes, both the 25th anniversary kind. (actually technically one is my brothers, but he left for London for the next few months and didn't bring it with him -_-) I also wonder about buying replacement stickers etc... after less than a month of "serious cubing", i've already worn down my cube a significantly. I was thinking about buying new stickers online, but then I heard you guys talking about rubik's cube tiles to add instead of stickers? What kind of accessories do you guys have/recommend? Are there other kinds of rubik's cubes I can buy? Higher quality ones maybe? Thanks David --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Alright: Lets start the list...I'm not just listing cubes, I'm going all out and I know someone will have more but I don't care... First Cube: June 2nd, 2005 Seriously cubing (buying more cubes) Mid-August 2005 7 2x2s 9 3x3s (If I must I'll explain to you the use of each individually) 4 4x4s 3.98 5x5s 2 Square 1s 1 Crossteaser 1 UFO 1 Stackmat Gen 2 1 Competition Timer 1 Minimat 1 Set of Speedstacks 1 Homer Simpson head 1 Megaminx 1 Keychain cube (minus the keychain) 1 Magic Sphere 2 Mini Magics 5 Regular Magics 1 Master Magic 1 Clock 1 Pyraminx That everything??? Sweet...anyways...less than 6 months...:) Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@y...> wrote: > > How many cubes do you guys own? I own two 3x3x3 cubes, both the 25th anniversary kind. > > (actually technically one is my brothers, but he left for London for the next few months and didn't bring it with him -_-) > > I also wonder about buying replacement stickers etc... after less than a month of "serious cubing", i've already worn down my cube a significantly. I was thinking about buying new stickers online, but then I heard you guys talking about rubik's cube tiles to add instead of stickers? What kind of accessories do you guys have/recommend? > > Are there other kinds of rubik's cubes I can buy? Higher quality ones maybe? > > Thanks > > David > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

what does the brackets mean? eg [D2] R' D B' D' B D' R this is taken from http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/Mike/middle.html 5a

It means it's like a setup move, and it's not really part of the algorithm, so you can avoid the D2 by recognizing the case and starting out with the corner in the back. So, if you realize you have this case, and the corner is on the right-down-back, you can do D R' D B' D' B D' R, instead of D' D2 R' D B' D' B D' R I would suggest doing F2L with the cross on the bottom, though, and for this case doing (R U R' U')*3 or something similar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jarcaube <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > what does the brackets mean? > eg [D2] R' D B' D' B D' R > this is taken from http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/Mike/middle.html > 5a >

I'm in the process of getting to a true 4LLL and then moving on with Fridrich to OLL and PLL after that (I know that I will just be a Fridrich clone, but I plan on trying out some different solutions later). Can anyone recommend a site or just give the algs for the following: The OE case where none of the edges are oriented correctly. All of the OC cases except for Sune and anti-Sune. Cheers, Robbie --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tonight David Letterman announced that Leyan Lo would be on the show. It turned out to be a spoof, where some guy (claiming to be Leyan Lo) tried to solve it and gave up in disgust. Kind of a lame stunt... why not just have Leyan on for real? Still, it's kind of amazing the coverage this has been getting all week.